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You forgot the navigational templates for ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', [[Template:SSBB]] and [[Template:SSBB moves]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 12:11, March 27, 2024 (EDT) | You forgot the navigational templates for ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', [[Template:SSBB]] and [[Template:SSBB moves]]. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 12:11, March 27, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:Ah, so I did. Yes, those would also be covered by this. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 13:15, March 27, 2024 (EDT) | :Ah, so I did. Yes, those would also be covered by this. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 13:15, March 27, 2024 (EDT) | ||
===Preserve April Fools' Proposals in BJAODN=== | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|17-1-0|Give April Fools' proposals their own subpage per year}} | |||
First of all, no, this isn't a delayed April Fool's joke--we are being 100% sincere about this proposal! You know it because we waited until after we had squared away the April Fool's proposals to actually bring this up formally. | |||
Secondly, this has been discussed before, not [[MarioWiki talk:BJAODN#Allow section(s) for certain April Fools' proposals|once]] but [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Reserve April Fools' joke proposals to a new section|twice]], and the consensus at the time was basically "it's pointless and not that funny, so why bother?" ...As you can imagine, we're not a fan of either of these stances, so we have a brief overview of our counter-arguments to these statements. | |||
* '''On pointlessness:''' Yes, archiving these in BJAODN ''is'' pointless! ...But so is the rest of BJAODN, and, paradoxically, that's kind of the point of it--that it's basically useless and for amusement only. The only "practical" thing it has are archives for the big April Fool's pages we create. The one and only time it was ever gearing up to have a "point" was to store [[Wario's Warehouse]] back when people still didn't believe it existed--then the author stepped up and said "yep, that's my work", and that entire thing was rendered moot, and BJAODN remains a mere archive for April Fool's things and, well, other deleted nonsense. | |||
* '''On the humor:''' On the "not that funny once April Fool's is done" thing--we feel like it's kinda weird to dismiss a proposal on something that is inherently, a subjective take. Humor is notoriously fickle between different people; one person's complete snorefest is another person's knee-slapper. Sure, not all April Fool's proposals are these complete gut-busters, but neither is everything else in BJAODN. And heck, even if they aren't ''that'' funny, it's kind of in the name; it's not "Deleted Nonsense", it's "'''Bad Jokes and Other''' Deleted Nonsense". | |||
Especially in the wake of the effective renaissance of April Fool's proposals we had this year (no doubt due in part to a rather-timely proposal ''about'' April Fool's proposals, albeit moreso about denoting them as such pre-emptively), we feel it pertinent to possibly figure something out for this sooner, rather than later, while the concept's still fresh in everyone's mind. To this end, we've come up with three ideas: | |||
* '''Give it its own subpage per year:''' Whenever there's an arbitrary amount of April Fool's proposals for that year (let's say "3" for the time being, if this number needs to be adjusted we can do so later), we create a subpage alongside our main April Fool's archive page for proposals. If there aren't enough, they just go in the standard Proposals subpage for BJAODN--if memory serves, this means that 2021 and 2024 will get a subpage so far, though we may be wrong. | |||
* '''All of them go to the Proposals subpage:''' Roughly the same as above, but in ''every'' case we send them to the standard Proposals subpage with no potential for splits. We do worry about this year in particular clogging the heck out of the page, but whatever works. | |||
* '''Do nothing:''' We simply don't formally track these whatsoever in BJAODN, simple-as. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Camwoodstock}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': April 8, 2024, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support, with additional subpages==== | |||
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Our preferred option--keep the silliness alive, and keep it nice and tidy for the future. | |||
#{{User|Sparks}} Having tidiness makes for easier navigation. | |||
#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} {{color|Pink Donkey Kong Sr. approves!|hotpink}} (Per proposal.) | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} It's completely understandable that humor is subjective, but let's remember to look at it from another angle; it's not always about if the joke proposal is funny, it's also about how we as users interact with each other and the jokes that adds to the humor. That was my initial support reason back during [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Reserve April Fools' joke proposals to a new section|back during this proposal]] (which, I do realize, wasn't ''exactly'' the point of the proposal, but let's not worry about that). My main point is, I one hundred percent support archiving our April Fool's joke proposals for the sake of celebrating our fun interactions with each other as people! Per proposal! | |||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} This is an excellent option and probably why we haven't archived as many of these joke proposals in the past. Per everyone else. | |||
#{{User|BMfan08}} There's no fooling about this one. Per all. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Yoshi Yoshi! (Per all. Also, i always wanted this to happen) | |||
#{{User|Arend}} We preserve April Fool's Day archives, we preserve funnily bad proposals, why not April Fool's Day proposals? It's a lot better than scouring through ''countless'' pages of the Proposal page's revision history (and that's with 500 revisions per page in mind too). | |||
#{{User|OmegaRuby}} We haven't done this already? Per all. | |||
#{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} YES PLEASE! | |||
#{{User|Hewer}} Per all [[File:HamburgerSSBB.PNG|25px|link=Hamburger|A Hamburger in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''.]] | |||
#{{User|PnnyCrygr}} Yeah, now the joke proposals will have a repo place to stay! (why is the vote #1?) | |||
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Humorous remark goes here. Per all. | |||
#[[User:Waddle D33|Waddle D33]] ([[User talk:Waddle D33|talk]]) I just spent the last half hour or so reading and appreciating the articles in the BJAODN section. Anyway, I agree that BJAODN would be a good home for those types of jokes. | |||
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} Might as well archive these April Fools' proposals for someone who is interested. | |||
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Oh, yes please!! I liked the last ones! Even though it took me a minute to figure out that they were joke proposals, I still like them! (I still want my ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' cheeseburger....) | |||
#{{User|JanMisali}} Per all. | |||
====Support, all to the same subpage==== | |||
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Secondary option--we do worry about the page growing too long for this, but it'd make sense for the time being. | |||
====Do nothing==== | |||
====Comments==== | |||
Is there any chance that the April Fools' proposals be merged with the April Fools' prank of that year? For example, all of the 2024 April Fools' proposals can be merged with [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/April Fool's 2024]]. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 19:47, April 2, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:Usually, when the main prank is moved to BJAODN, its corresponding pages are stored as their own subpage--[[MarioWiki:BJAODN/April Fool's 2024/Mushroom Kingdom Hearts|for example, Mushroom Kingdom Hearts is kept on its own page]], rather than being melded to the Main Page archive. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 19:53, April 2, 2024 (EDT) | |||
::Okay. That makes sense. Subpages could work for the proposals then. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 19:55, April 2, 2024 (EDT) | |||
For reference, after looking at page history, the years that had at least three joke proposals were 2018 with exactly three (or [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51#Pie for Everyone. Pie for EVERYONE. Pie. For. ALL.|four]]?), 2019 with five, 2020 with nine, 2021 with five (including [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Proposals#Remove removals|one]] that already got archived which we'd have to move), and 2024 with ten, so they'd all get their own subpages, and there was also one April Fools' proposal each in 2010 and 2023 (the former got immediately deleted though). Three of the four pie proposals in the main archive were technically April Fools' as well, unsure whether those should count. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:07, April 3, 2024 (EDT) | |||
: ''You are the unsung hero of this proposal''. We'd say if this passes in its current state, the Pie proposals that weren't tied to the aforementioned years should probably remain on the standard BJAODN Proposals section. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 14:57, April 5, 2024 (EDT) |
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Decide what to move Super Mario Galaxy 2 worlds todon't rename 1-0-1-8
Proposer: GuntherBB (talk) Option 1Option 2Option 3Option 4
CommentsCreate a {{visible anchor}} templatecanceled by proposer Proposer: GuntherBB (talk) SupportOppose
CommentsStop referring to Bowser as "King Koopa" in Japanese mediaRefer to as Bowser in Japanese media 8-0 One may argue that "King Koopa" is Bowser's Japanese name and therefore he should be named as such. Actually, Bowser's Japanese name is Kuppa (officially romanized as "Koopa") or Daimaō Kuppa (literally "Great Demon King Koopa"), but he is seldom called "King Koopa" verbatim in Japanese media. Most importantly, when referring to characters or species in articles about Japanese-only media, we typically use the usual English name instead of the Japanese name: "Goomba" instead of Kuribō, "Koopa Troopa" instead of Nokonoko, "Toad" instead of Kinopio, and so on. There is no reason why Bowser should be an exception. One may also argue that the names "Koopa" and "King Koopa" have been used in some English-language Mario media (notably the DIC series). However, the name "Bowser" is overwhelmingly more widespread and was already attested in the original Super Mario Bros. instruction booklet. I hope we can agree that The Super Mario Bros. Super Show is not the highest-priority naming source. Lastly, this "King Koopa" naming convention is not even consistent on the Wiki because many articles about Japanese-only mangas refer to Bowser as "Bowser" rather than "King Koopa". If this proposal passes, mentions of Bowser as "King Koopa" or simply "Koopa" will be replaced with "Bowser" in articles about Japanese media, including:
This renaming will not apply to English-language media in which Bowser is actually called "King Koopa". Proposer: Jdtendo (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsWhat about referring to Princess Peach by that name in early Japanese media? If this passes, it would seem more consistent to change those to "Princess Toadstool" since that was her English name at the time. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 09:43, March 20, 2024 (EDT)
Broaden the scope of the {{unreferenced}} templatecanceled by proposer The template currently reads as follows: <div class="notice-template maintenance" style="background:#FC5;border:1px solid #f22"> This {{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|article}} '''does not [[MarioWiki:Citations|cite any sources]]'''. Please help {{plain link|1=[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit}} improve this {{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|article}}]}} by [[MarioWiki:Citations#How to add references|adding citations from reliable sources]]. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. </div> This article does not cite any sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations from reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. However, once the proposal passes, the template will read as follows: <div class="notice-template maintenance" style="background:#FC5;border:1px solid #f22"> It has been requested that at least one '''[[MarioWiki:Citations#How to add references|citation from a reliable source]]''' be added to this {{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|article}}.<br><small>This {{#if:{{{section|}}}|section|article}} should not cite any unsourced material. See the [[MarioWiki:Citations|citation policy]] for more information.</small> </div> It has been requested that at least one citation from a reliable source be added to this article. That way, the Proposer: GuntherBB (talk) SupportOppose
Commentsthis might just be one of the most difficult to read proposals i have seen on this site, its a real struggle to look at. is there a chance of tidying it up dramatically - YoYo (Talk) 13:54, March 29, 2024 (EDT)
This is not related to the proposal itself but I see that you sent the same talk page message to so many users at once, including myself about this proposal. I'm not super skilled with template codes and such, so I won't vote in it. I just thought I'd mention the message. Sparks (talk) 21:52, March 30, 2024 (EDT) @Nintendo101 I think I know why broadening the scope would be an improvement. It's because of what Wayoshi said to A Link to the Past: "We are not Wikipedia." A bit of clarification on our vote: Just because we are not Wikipedia doesn't mean we have to do things differently from how Wikipedia does them. While we have our petty, personal beef with Wikipedia (mostly about their comically dated "notability" guidelines), they aren't always wrong, and this is one such case where we feel they nailed the Wiki design on the head; for all intents and purposes, {{ref needed}} is better than any of these templates to us. It's more precise, it's more concise, and most importantly, it's what people--both on this wiki and from other wikis--know best. (This is also why we're not updating our vote, though we do appreciate the proposal being made easier to read.) ~Camwoodstock (talk) 23:28, March 30, 2024 (EDT) Do not ban captionless images 0-20 I looked around for an example, and I'll use the Icicle page. Quite a few sections add sprites without captioning them. While the section heading alone would be enough to suggest that it's a sprite from the game, additional context could be at risk of being left out. Mario Bros. has been re-released many times, so when I see the icicle sprite, I may ask myself, "What version is it from? The arcade? The NES? The Game Boy Advance?" While it's true that sprites can't easily display captions, due to being small images, there could be a way to make it easier to caption them. This problem also applies to infoboxes. On the Itsunomanika Heihō page, what's going on in the infobox image? There's so many things in it, and it doesn't make clear who Itsunomanika Heihō is, which is the Shy Guy. On a bit of a side note, too many articles have images that feel added in the text just for the sake of adding images, and captionless images seem among them. Why does the Lubba page have three images in the Super Mario Galaxy 2 section? Are they essential enough to be included or could they just be addendums to a gallery? Two of the images are just Lubba saying a quote, something that's hardly as much of interest as, let's say, Mario's first meeting with Lubba. Should this proposal pass, perhaps a separate proposal, or a precedent, could be set for tightening the use of images in article sections unless they are plot-essential, show a major difference between games, or for historical context, such as when something first appeared. Proposer: Super Mario RPG (talk) Support
Oppose
CommentsPlease tell me how the image to the left is ideal. Because that's what this proposal's trying for. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:52, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
I want to revisit this proposal to ask about the Icicle example... you say that a lack of caption would result in additional context being left out, to which I ask.... what additional context is there to a sprite of an icicle? Adding captions would simply make it extremely repetitive. "An icicle in Super Mario Bros 3" ... "An icicle in Super Mario World" ... "An icicle in..." and so on. - YoYo (Talk) 10:27, March 29, 2024 (EDT)
Remove all redirect links and delete "move" templates 1-9-0 One of the most prominent and blatant cases of this is found in the Super Smash Bros. navigational templates, namely Template:SSB, Template:SSB moves, Template:SSBM, Template:SSBM moves, Template:SSB4, Template:SSB4 moves, Template:SSBU, and Template:SSBU moves. Each of these templates contains links to subjects that no longer have dedicated articles, and take the reader to a subsection of a list article instead. The "move" templates are especially rough, since the majority of Smash Bros. moves are no longer even covered on the articles that these links redirect to. I propose that these navigational templates should be significantly trimmed down, much like the ongoing efforts to clean up the various "series" categories. Furthermore, without the unnecessary links to subjects that no longer are within this wiki's scope, having moves in a separate template from the main navigational template for those games may no longer be necessary, so it might also make sense to remove the "move" templates entirely, moving the links to Super Mario-related Smash Bros. moves to the main Smash navigational templates. Proposer: JanMisali (talk)
Do nothingCommentsYou forgot the navigational templates for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Template:SSBB and Template:SSBB moves. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 12:11, March 27, 2024 (EDT)
Preserve April Fools' Proposals in BJAODNGive April Fools' proposals their own subpage per year 17-1-0 Secondly, this has been discussed before, not once but twice, and the consensus at the time was basically "it's pointless and not that funny, so why bother?" ...As you can imagine, we're not a fan of either of these stances, so we have a brief overview of our counter-arguments to these statements.
Especially in the wake of the effective renaissance of April Fool's proposals we had this year (no doubt due in part to a rather-timely proposal about April Fool's proposals, albeit moreso about denoting them as such pre-emptively), we feel it pertinent to possibly figure something out for this sooner, rather than later, while the concept's still fresh in everyone's mind. To this end, we've come up with three ideas:
Proposer: Camwoodstock (talk) Support, with additional subpages
Support, all to the same subpage
Do nothingCommentsIs there any chance that the April Fools' proposals be merged with the April Fools' prank of that year? For example, all of the 2024 April Fools' proposals can be merged with MarioWiki:BJAODN/April Fool's 2024. Sparks (talk) 19:47, April 2, 2024 (EDT)
For reference, after looking at page history, the years that had at least three joke proposals were 2018 with exactly three (or four?), 2019 with five, 2020 with nine, 2021 with five (including one that already got archived which we'd have to move), and 2024 with ten, so they'd all get their own subpages, and there was also one April Fools' proposal each in 2010 and 2023 (the former got immediately deleted though). Three of the four pie proposals in the main archive were technically April Fools' as well, unsure whether those should count. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 13:07, April 3, 2024 (EDT)
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