Talk:Construction Site Fight

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This has been bothering me for a very long time. The names of these levels are a blatantly obvious goof by the manual makers and it's clear they were meant to be swapped. Yet we're taking it at face value purely out of formality. I don't think this is a good idea. This is along the lines of "pirana plants" and the Birdo/Ostro mixup. I see no reason to cling to this. 16:55, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

I agree. Even the Japanese names make it clear what the correct names are. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:13, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

There's no doubt it was a goof, but I think we need to also take into consideration the manual of the Virtual Console release: though a heavily revised version of the original, it retains these levels' swapped names. To contextualise first and foremost: the majority of this version of the manual is reworded to be less flowery, some sections are completely rewritten, and objects like "Buddy Barrel" and "End of stage" (as the goal portal was called originally) are renamed "DK Barrel" and "Goal" respectively. Few textual remnants slipped through, including enemy descriptions. Whether the names being kept swapped was another error in its own right or the result of some in-house directive to stay true to some of the game's original concepts is not, in my opinion, the wiki's judgement call to make. As it stands, the level's newest released title is still "Construction Site Fight" and, for the record, no level names are translated in other languages for the VC version. Note that I'm going by the European release; particulars in the American version may differ. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 11:09, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

Not really a fan of the precedent set by directly contradicting the only material we have. Plus, moving articles to names that they never actually used is very likely to be confusing for readers. I'd rather just keep the pages where they are and make note of the oddity, as we already do. -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 12:19, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

If anything, the current setup is what's confusing. Construction Site Fight refers to a level that does not take place in one, and Balloon Barrage refers to a level with no balloons except for one in a bonus stage. I fail to see how swapping them would be more confusing. The only way readers would be confused by this is if they actually read the manual, and even then, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice the incredibly obvious goof. I also fail to see how this would set any precedents. This is a completely unique scenario AFAIK, any other attempts to go against game manuals using this to support it would likely be comparing apples to oranges. 14:13, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

Yeah, and like I said, the Japanese names for "Construction Site Fight" and "Balloon Barrage" translate to "Balloon Lift" and "Construction Site" respectively, further indicating that the manual writers goofed in the original and for some odd reason, they never changed the names for the levels despite having every opportunity to. As such, despite the "recent names", it's perfectly obvious that the level names should be switched going by the layouts and the Japanese names. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 21:50, August 19, 2022 (EDT)

It's true that the Japanese names are swapped, but it should be pointed out that Nautilus/Nemo seems to be in a similar boat. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:02, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

Yeah, the Nemo is called that but the level name in English and Japanese as well as the enemy's Japanese name and the UK magazine make it clear it was supposed to be Nautilus and much like these two levels, the VC manual writers never changed the enemy's name to the correct one, again despite every opportunity to do so. Anywho, based on these two level's Japanese names and the sheer obviousness of the level layouts, their names should be switched. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 13:54, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

Regaring Nemo, I think the level name "Nautilus Chase" is supposed to be simply referring to the real world species Nemo is based on, like how Springin' Spiders refers to the Nids that populate the level, Clam City refers to the Clambos that inhabit it, and many other examples. The UK magazine and Japanese guide book probably just assumed that "Nautilus" was the enemy's name because of the level name, since DKL doesn't have an enemy roll call like the other games do. This makes it more comparable to Dorrie = "Swimming Beast", Klepto = "Big Bird", etc. 14:59, August 20, 2022 (EDT)

The only other similar situation I can think of is Birdo/Ostro, and that was resolved long before this wiki was founded. I support moving these pages. Bwburke94 (talk) 21:50, August 29, 2022 (EDT)