User talk:BubbleRevolution

Welcome, BubbleRevolution!

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Aboutfile reminder

Hello, BubbleRevolution. Good job on your recent uploads, but when uploading files, keep in mind that you must correctly use the {{aboutfile}} template. What you were doing looks like this, and it is an inconvenience for other users to fix up the template. It is simple to learn how to format it correctly. The pre-loaded coding is shown below. {{aboutfile |1=Subject of the image |2=Where you found the image |3=Artist |4=Describe edits, if any |5=Other versions (use file link) }} Just replace the necessary parts with that corresponding information, and remove the entire line of the variable(s) you don't use. If you do not wish to use the template at all, then it is acceptable to simply remove it before you upload the file. Please consider the above information before uploading more files. If you continue using {{aboutfile}} incorrectly, then a warning will be issued. Thank you for reading, and keep contributing.

I've edited five of your files due to the wrong use of the template. Remember to follow this for your future uploads, thanks. Ne1999 (talk)

• Oops, sorry, wasn't aware of that. I'll remember it in the future. BubbleRevolution (talk) 16:03, 7 November 2015 (EST)

Salvo the Slime

Yoshi's Island's bosses being "individuals" seems to be a Western invention, as the Japanese names are basically "Big (enemy name)." Furthermore, Mario Party 4 apparently had four versions of him appear at once, so it seems these were initially intended as just being enlarged versions of generic creatures with no personality (not to mention Big Tap-Tap getting "special" and "super big" variations, along with Big Raven appearing as a one-time generic enemy in Yoshi's Woolly World). Granted, over there, there is also no distinction between generic Magikoopas and Kamek... Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 01:07, 18 February 2018 (EST)

I do agree with you on that, though there is something to be noted about some bosses being distinct individuals, as Raphael the Raven appeared in Paper Mario as his own character. I just felt that the overall translation came off a bit awkward since "Big Slime" is such a general name and may not necessarily refer to Salvo (though it most likely does), and felt a bit off using a name that appears to refer to an individual when the subject in question is a generic enemy. The relation between the two was right to be included, though. BubbleRevolution (talk) 01:19, 18 February 2018 (EST)

Moles

The proposal has finished; they are to be split. Shall you make the changes? If not, I'll be more than happy to do so myself. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 22:14, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Huh, honestly wasn't looking like it was going to pass for a while there. I can make the changes, but I'm a bit busy tonight so I probably won't get around to it until tomorrow, so if you'd like to, feel free! (EDIT: Never mind, got it done.) BubbleRevolution (talk) 23:17, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Yoshi's Island (SMW) and Yoshi's Island (YI) split

Hey, I saw your participation on the topic of splitting these two articles on the Yoshi's Island talk page and feel that you made really strong arguments. It's been a few years and nothing has been done on this subject, so I feel either you or one of the other long-standing members of the wiki should start an official proposal in order to get this done. Looking forward to your response. Yo'ster (talk) 21:58, January 22, 2023 (EST)

Yeah, I've been wondering if anyone was going to do a proposal on that for a while now, I had kind of been putting it off out of laziness and hoping someone else would cover it, haha. I might do it at some point when I have more free time, though. BubbleRevolution (talk) 18:25, January 25, 2023 (EST)

Looks like Doc von Schmeltwick got around to it. --Yo'ster (talk) 08:12, April 21, 2023 (EDT)

Removing sourced statements

Hi, I kindly ask that you stop removing sourced material. I've already addressed how your interpretation of it hypothetically being a different pipe or it being about the movie, is not reflected by the source. I'm willing to modify the sentence if you have suggestions based on the source, but outright removing it is getting disruptive. SuperMarioSuperShow (talk) 02:11, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

I didn't remove the source, it does not clearly state what you listed it did in the article. It says "a clay pipe like the ones in Mario Bros. lead to the Mushroom Kingdom", but doesn't say anything beyond that. It doesn't specify when Mario went down the pipe, where the pipe was, etc. We can GUESS what happened, but listing it as if it was a concrete fact about the game's plot is inaccurate. Mario could have just arrived there, or he could have been there for a while beforehand. We don't know, hence why I moved it to the trivia section.

You additionally removed a secondary source I posted that adds some details for seemingly no reason. BubbleRevolution (talk)

This has gotten to the point of disruption, taking a sourced sentence out of the story section and burying it in trivia, is removing it. Continuing to come up with new ways to interpret the source as "vague", doesn't change the facts of the source. The "when" is specifically stated as some point after "Super Mario Bros. is the result of that clay pipe leading to the mysterious forest (Mushroom Kingdom)".

I am willing to work with you to modify the sentence. If you want to change the wording to something along the lines of "The story takes place at some point in time following the events of Mario Bros. after he arrived in the Mushroom Kingdom through a clay pipe..." or something else, but it needs to stay in the story section of the article as its part of the story. You can't just removed sourced material from its sections. SuperMarioSuperShow (talk) 15:09, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

I don't see why it needs to stay in the plot section when it's pretty much not part of the actual plot of the game. Miyamoto calls it a "shadow setting" (meaning a backstory that isn't implemented or established in official material), and Mario and Luigi going down a pipe is not mentioned as part of the "Bowser kidnapping Peach" plot which the game centers around. It's not specified when or how Mario got there, just that that's how Miyamoto originally envisioned how Mario went from being a plumber in New York to being in the Muhsroom Kingdom. I'd be happy to open this to discussion to other users since we clearly disagree on the matter, but listing it in the plot section when it's not specified HOW exactly this fits into the story feels more like theorycrafting about the series' nebulous canon than actually keeping things encyclopedic. BubbleRevolution (talk) 15:20, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Not only is there no agreed upon definition of "shadow setting" or dictionary term, but he also uses a clearer term in the first article 裏設定 "background setting" which does have an agreed upon definition: a backstory. Again, the sentence already addresses the "when" as some point afterwards, but we can change the sentence to better reflect that if you wish. It needs to stay in the story section because Miyamoto explicitly stated its part of Super Mario Bros. story "Super Mario Bros. is the result of that clay pipe leading to the mysterious forest (Mushroom Kingdom)". The same way his statement "Donkey Kong is set in New York" is part of Donkey Kong’s story. Removing either of those sourced statements from their section is disruptive. SuperMarioSuperShow (talk) 16:39, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

I don't know what else you think "shadow setting" is supposed to mean, especially since this isn't something mentioned in any supplemental material for the game and wasn't actually ever established in the game or manual proper. I don't see why it NEEDS to stay in the story section since it ultimately it seems like this bit of story was never really implemented. Like I said, I'm open to opening up this discussion to other editors since again, we clearly disagree on this issue and arguing here isn't going to do much, but I feel including a section about Mario emerging from a pipe when the most that's ever stated is that there IS a pipe connecting the two places is a stretch, even if we could assume that might have been the intent.

I also fail to see how moving the section of a statement counts as "burying it". It's moving it to a different section to properly expand upon the context of the quote and to be as accurate as possible. The reference and information is still there.BubbleRevolution (talk) 17:53, May 5, 2023 (EDT)

Confirmed SMBW enemy names

Are you able to screenshot the email so that it can be used as additional proof? Mario JC 00:23, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Sure thing, here's a screenshot of his reply. Will this suffice? BubbleRevolution (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2024 (EST)

That's great, thanks. Mario JC 20:33, January 6, 2024 (EST)

Hey, in case you didn't see it, I have an update on your note here. Basically, one of the object names was sourced internally at a later date, which puts the whole "treat everything else as conjectural" idea in questionable permanence. I really didn't think the author would be receptive to questions, but if so, it would be prudent to press on for more details. LinkTheLefty (talk) 09:45, January 12, 2024 (EST)

I think if there's internal data that backs up the name used, it's worth looking into, but I do know he only stated to me that Swirlypod and Trompette were official, because those are the two I asked about. It's possible something else mentioned in the article was officially sourced from Nintendo as well, but there's really no direct way of knowing without asking further and I think Wow Bud is a clear example of not everything being official. When it comes to stuff like "Topple Rock" or "Downpour Cloud", if they're backed up by internal sources, I think it may very well be worth arguing in favor of using those, it's just a bit up in the air and when it comes to things like "Snake-like Bill" where it appears more conjectural than anything they shouldn't be used unless there's some sort of official confirmation. I could try asking again for further clarification on some of the other names, though I'd be a bit worried about bothering him unnecessarily, so if I did so I'd want to get a full list together of things to ask about. BubbleRevolution (talk) 13:37, January 12, 2024 (EST)

Well, like Nintendo101 says, the best place to cover ground would be capitalized names. I'd almost want to mention lowercase names that were mentioned more than once like "flame wheel" since it's close to the Japanese name (note that "Jewel Block" is capitalized though it's lowercase in the internal localized string, and "Downpour Cloud" is also "downpour cloud" in Game Informer). "Flower Bud" was likely a mistake since it's "flower bud" at least 41 times, so maybe that oughtn't count. We don't have a singular form for "Mumsy" in English outside of that article yet as far as I know, but it matches the Dutch name. "Galoomba" is mentioned more than once in reference to Goombrat, so it could be worth it to mention and figure out if the mistake was on Nintendo's part or Game Informer's. Then there are the giants, but those probably don't count because a number of those are at the beginning of a sentence, though maybe the Spike Ball is worth mentioning since the current name is inconsistent with its normal size. So if you put all of that aside and just wanted to dwindle it down to the big ones, I guess that would be Ghost Mario and Topple Rock. So maybe, leave it to those two, and then add something like, "to help out the wiki, would you be willing to share your list of cover-story names for completeness' sake? If not, I understand." LinkTheLefty (talk) 06:35, January 13, 2024 (EST)

Update: a series of Super Mario Bros. Wonder enemy articles is apparently being launched on the Japanese Nintendo website, and it includes English names. Interestingly, the first reconfirms Trompette and deconfirms Ghost Mario. With any luck, subsequent articles will serve to cover the gaps. So if you still wanted to ask Shea, we'd only need the Topple Rock and Giant Spike Ball obstacles, but if not, that's fine. LinkTheLefty (talk) 11:53, January 26, 2024 (EST)

Gotcha, I've been a bit busy lately so haven't gotten around to it. Might consider sending a followup, but this is a nice thing to see! BubbleRevolution (talk) 13:53, January 26, 2024 (EST)