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:There are still some article titles that are not like that, such as [[List of weapons in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle]] and the aforementioned ''Paper Mario'' [[List of badges in Paper Mario|badge]] [[List of badges in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|lists]]. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:46, January 10, 2022 (EST) | :There are still some article titles that are not like that, such as [[List of weapons in Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle]] and the aforementioned ''Paper Mario'' [[List of badges in Paper Mario|badge]] [[List of badges in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door|lists]]. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:46, January 10, 2022 (EST) | ||
::I do think the other articles should be renamed to match most listicles in the wiki. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 19:32, January 11, 2022 (EST) | ::I do think the other articles should be renamed to match most listicles in the wiki. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 19:32, January 11, 2022 (EST) | ||
===Split or Merge ''Mario Kart Tour's'' Pallet Swaps=== | |||
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Okay, this has been on my mind for a bit now and it's largely in part to the [[Talk:Spike Top#Merge Red Spike Top with Spike Top, Take Three|Red Spike Top]] proposal going on. Red Spike Tops are considered being merged because they feature no distinct differences from Spike Tops other than their shell color. Despite opposing, I can see the logic behind this; they are pallet swaps and, for the most part, pallet swaps are naturally kept together in the parent species article. This got the gears in my brain turning and I realized that we have articles for pallet swapped karts and gliders from ''Mario Kart Tour'', but we don't have articles for the pallet swapped characters. The karts and gliders have their own articles because they have [[Talk:Turbo Yoshi#Comments|different special skills, Favorite Courses and Favored Courses]], but it strikes me as odd that the characters don't get the same treatment, despite having the same differences. I made a whole [[User:Tails777/Work|work page]] detailing as much as I could, but perhaps diving into the entire pallet swap deal as a whole would be a bit of a big jump. So I propose we start with ''Mario Kart Tour'', a game that I feel has an ongoing inconsistency with the idea. Karts and Gliders have their own articles, pallet swap or not, but the characters do not. So I propose one of three options: | |||
*'''Split Pallet Swapped Characters:''' This option would be to split the characters that are mere color swaps: Yoshis, Shy Guys, Pit Crew Toads, Birdos, Freerunning Koopas and the golden variants (Dry Bones, King Boo etc). These articles would only cover their appearances in ''Mario Kart Tour'' for now and not the appearances in games such the ''Mario Baseball series'' or ''Mario Sports Superstars''. They would be consistent with the pallet swapped karts and gliders, which all have their own articles. For now, I think this should be limited to the colored pallet swaps only rather than the actual characters dressed up in themed outfits, unless people think those would be strong enough to have their own articles too. | |||
*'''Merge Pallet Swapped Karts/Gliders:''' This option is obviously the opposite. Karts and gliders would be merged into their the articles of the karts and gliders they are based on, much like how the characters are currently handled. Examples would include the B Dasher variants to the [[B Dasher]] article, the [[Pumpkin Kart]] and it's [[Gold Pumpkin Kart|gold variant]] to the [[Apple Kart]] and such. This would not apply to the Gold Glider or Gold Standard, as both have previously appeared in ''Mario Kart 7'' and ''8'', as well as the Gold Standard only appearing in Gold Rush mode in ''Tour'' and not being a fully usable kart anyway. | |||
*'''Do Nothing:''' Nothing happens and wiki life continues as normal. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Tails777}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' January 27, 2022, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Split ''Mario Kart Tour'' Pallet Swap Characters==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} This is personally my preferred option. It remains consistent with the karts and gliders by only covering their appearance in ''Mario Kart Tour'', providing articles covering the same differences as the karts and gliders do. | |||
====Merge ''Mario Kart Tour'' Pallet Swap Karts/Gliders==== | |||
#{{User|Tails777}} This would be my secondary choice, as merging them would make them more consistent with how we treat the costumed characters. | |||
====Do Nothing==== | |||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} I kind of agree with the sentiment behind this proposal, but I feel like it simultaneously doesn't go far enough in some areas and too far in others. If the split articles only cover Mario Kart Tour that'll not only be very inconsistent with other color variants that got articles but feel very arbitrary (why does Red Yoshi's appearance in Tour only get coverage when there's also stat differences, SMW powers etc.? That's just one example). At the same time I don't know how many of these need to be split, breaking up the Roving Racers into multiple pages (which again, wouldn't cover Odyssey for some reason) feels kind of unnecessary. More importantly: How would this affect costume swaps? They're not mentioned here, but for all intents and purposes, the difference between Wario and Wario (Hiker) is the same as Yoshi and Blue Yoshi. I'm all for reconsidering our stance on giving articles to palette swaps, and at the very least I'd like to see the Yoshi merge reversed, but this isn't the way to do it, I think. | |||
#{{User|7feetunder}} Per Waluigi Time. | |||
#{{User|Swallow}} This would be way too excessive. | |||
#{{User|WildWario}} Splitting most of the variant drivers in my opinion is too excessive. They share most of their animations with the original too. If we had an article for "King Boo (Gold)", it would be too short, since it only appears in one game, and it's content will likely be too repetitive with King Boo. The kart/glider merges would be weird too, as [[Calico Parafoil]] and [[Rose Parasol]] are variants of the [[Parafoil]] and [[Peach Parasol]], but they look completely different. | |||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Like Waluigi Time, I am not opposed to the idea of reconsidering how certain palette swaps are dealt with, but I have concerns that this proposal creates too many inconsistencies by focusing solely on ''Mario Kart Tour'', and even feels somewhat inconsistent by the way it addresses that game alone by not addressing the costumes. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
'''@Waluigi Time''': The main reason I'm choosing to cover ''Tour'' only right now is because it's got a very simple, kinda enclosed solution. As I mentioned, diving into all sorts of pallet swaps deals with a lot more than just the Yoshis or Shy Guys; it could steer into RPG enemies as well, as they also feature pallet swaps and different stats. Trust me, I'd fully support splitting the Yoshis back into their separate articles because of their multiple appearances with differences (as you mentioned, ''Super Mario World''). But because that topic covers so much, I thought it would be a hard and somewhat complicated place to start. So I thought of covering ''Tour'' only because the solutions are more simple to work with. Additionally, I do address the idea of costumed alternates, being something that could also qualify if people think they should. I would also support the idea, because like the colored pallet swaps, karts and gliders, they feature the same differences. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
:It's not as simple as you think. I mean, you want to do this for consistency, but doing it creates multiple blatant inconsistencies as Waluigi Time said, not to mention the arbitrariness of splitting ''only'' the palette swaps and not alternate costumes like Detective Baby Rosalina. Sometimes a "simple" solution just doesn't cut it. <small>Also, you're spelling "palette" wrong, we're not talking about a town in ''Pokémon''.</small> {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 20:23, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
::There is already an inconsistency though. Like, the Shy Guys are merged, but not the B Dasher Mk. 2s? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:32, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
::'''@7feetunder''': Okay, in my defense, I TRIED to think about as much of this as possible. I wrote a lot down on my personal work page about this, but my main thought was to TRY to come up with something simple. I understand this is not an easy topic to tackle, but I still wanted to try something. I felt it would've been easier to simply start with how we cover ''Mario Kart Tour's'' topics; as the karts and gliders do get articles, but the characters do not. Like I said, twice, I'm open to include the costumed alternates because they feature the same differences. And to be frankly honest, I don't appreciate my efforts being casually passed off as "arbitrary". I understand I've jumped the gun more often than not recently and I really did want to avoid that this time. But to say I put no thought into this feels unfair. <small>Also thank you, I get spellings mixed up a lot</small>{{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
:::No need to get defensive, no one here is attacking you. I did not say anything about you putting "no thought" into this. Anyway, sometimes in situations like this, it's better to start a plain discussion to get ideas from the community than trying to jump right into a proposal. Like I said, sometimes there ''is'' no easy solution to a problem, and this is one of those times. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 21:36, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
:::::Okay, no problem. I didn't mean to get defensive in a negative way. But I definitely want to strike a discussion about this and I'm going about doing so. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
What's your opinion on [[Goo-Goo Buggy]]/[[Rattle Buggy]], [[Red Fire]]/[[Green Fire]], [[Heart Coach]]/[[Bloom Coach]], [[Piranha Pipes]]/[[Boo Pipes]], [[Light Tripper]]/[[Light Dancer]] as well as the StandardXX articles (like [[Standard BW]])? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:21, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
:I more support the idea of splitting these types of topics, so the Double Dash Karts and MKDS standards are fine the way they are in my point of view. They feature difference stats, with karts like the Boo Pipes being different among most heavyweight karts. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
::Yeah, I know it's different games, but it's just to help jog the cogs a little. So, the reasoning here is that these karts have different stats, but anyhow, one argues that the colored characters in some games also have different stats, like the colored Yoshis across Baseball AND in Mario Tennis Open as well as in Yoshi Touch & Go and Super Mario Run. Same for the merged colored Shy Guys who have different stats in both Baseball and in Smash Run (as well as different tattles). So, how are we to proceed with alts of the Mario Kart Tour? Why should Pit Stop Toad be merged with Toad while Sky-Blue B Dasher Mk. 2 gets a separate page from B Dasher Mk. 2? Note you can make a case for Swimsuit Rosalina merged with Rosalina due to pertaining to one character ultimately, but you can't argue this for generic species. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 20:59, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
:::I did try to dive into pallet swaps in a more broad sense, addressing the idea of appearances in the ‘’Mario Baseball series’’ and such. I’d greatly support including that information too, as they showcase clear differences, but I thought starting with everything at once would be going too far, which is why I started at ‘’Mario Kart Tour’’ alone. I’ve written down everything on my work page [[User:Tails777/Work|here]] and I would appreciate it if people could look at it so it may hopefully add to this discussion. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
::::I see. Though I appreciate the attempt of firing up a proposal draw attention to an issue in the wiki, I do think the proposal is a little premature if your aims is to have a sort of way of dealing with current large inconsistencies on coverage, no offense! [[File:DrMW Goomba Patient 3.png|30px]] I think you should first try to gauge how people view this coverage, see if it's a serious problem, and then work out a few solutions, maybe starting even smaller scale like talk page discussions. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 21:19, January 20, 2022 (EST) | |||
:::::No offense taken. If anything, I appreciate that. Honestly, part of me didn't know where to bring this up, whether it was something that could be just fired up on a talk page or if I had to go to the forums. Starting a proposal was just the first place my brain went to cause it was something most people would notice. I apologize if I jumped the gun again. {{User:Tails777/sig}} | |||
I am willing to withdraw this proposal to talk about the topic more elsewhere. I completely understand where the opposing side is getting at: the idea of covering ''Tour'' only. Again, my reasoning was an attempt at starting simple, but it is very clear that it was not nearly as simple as anticipated. However, I still can't understand why we'll make articles for the [[Blue Biddybuggy]], which is literally the blue color swap from ''Mario Kart 8'', but not for something like Blue Yoshi. That's where my main concern comes from. In my overall opinion, I'd rather split articles like colored Yoshis and cover every instance where their colors differentiated from each other, such as in ''Super Mario World'', the ''Mario Baseball series'' and such, and do so for other pallet swaps. I really do want to discuss this further to try to come to some sort of conclusion. {{User:Tails777/sig}} |
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Use a unique archive color for proposals that fail to reach a consensuspassed 12-0 As for what color should be used, my suggestion is white. It's a fitting color for stalemate proposals, and it isn't too close to an existing color (closest is gray, the color used for passed proposals awaiting implementation, but I think it's distinct enough). I'm open to other suggestions though. Proposer: 7feetunder (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsI noticed in the proposal archive that there is already a colour used for ties, brown, but it only seems to be used for a handful of old proposals, and it isn't on the TPP archive. Is this just because of changes in the proposal rules, and do you plan on replacing it with whatever colour you decide on here? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 02:48, May 25, 2021 (EDT)
Listing changes on articles for ports, remakes, and remastershybrid of prose and bullet points 0-8-1 Some examples of other articles with a similar section: Super Mario Advance, Super Mario Advance 3, Super Mario Advance 4, Super Mario 64 DS, and Super Mario 3D All-Stars split the changes into sections, but otherwise use only bullet points. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe instead uses short paragraphs of prose, with each paragraph focusing on a different small aspect of gameplay or design. Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance 2 blend some sections of prose with bullet lists in others. On the Discord server, Glowsquid recommended a different hybrid model: starting subsections with short prose paragraphs about general changes, and using bullet lists for the smaller details. The full post is in the Comments section below. I am in support of exclusively bullet points. I think in this specific context, where there can be very minuscule details that might get their own paragraph when using prose, it is more effective to use bullet points. There seems to be more of a standard set with them than with prose, and I think that's because it's more convenient to read the changes when in a bullet list, especially because you can create sub-bullets to highlight groups of changes. Proposer: 0blivion (talk) List changes entirely in proseList changes with a hybrid of prose and bullet points
List changes in entirely bullet pointsCommentsI'll post the discord comments I made when the topic was brought up (also the proposal main text made it sound like i recommended the bowser's fury page to be like SMA2's when what happened is that BLOF brought it and the Super Mario All-Stars as examples of how those sections should be written and I opined I don,t think they work very well, and then brought up my own idea on how those sections should be done)
So for the above-cited example of SMA2, instead of the current appealing wall of text the gameplay changes section is now, it would be more like: "Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 gets rid of the 2-player mode and instead overhauls Luigi as a distinct player character with his own abilities. He can be played by pressing R on the world map.
[paragraph break] The 100% Completion events have been overhauled, featuring different requirements and new events for triggering Fall.
etc etc. Hopefully you get the gist. --Glowsquid (talk) 09:37, May 22, 2021 (EDT)
However, couldn't these short prose introductions also be fit into a bullet list? I mentioned sub-bullets because when the Bowser's Fury page had bullets, it did something similar to this hybrid model by using them. For example:
If those main bullets would work better as prose, then I could be OK with that as long as the minute changes are bullet points. 0blivion 11:39, May 22, 2021 (EDT) How to handle Super Mario Odyssey sub-locationsleave locations marked "keep" and "borderline" split, merge the rest 1-7-1 Super Mario Odyssey did something rather new for this franchise - it named every single Checkpoint Flag in the game. Somehow this convinced people that every single one should have its own article, and by now nearly all of them do, along with a few other landmarks. This is quite excessive. While some of them do deserve article because they're major structures or otherwise notable landmarks (we have articles on things like Shine Gate and Surf Cabana), many of them are just random, nondescript level sections that aren't notable in any way. The way we handle it now is basically like giving every planet in Super Mario Galaxy its own article. There was a proposal about this years ago which the proposer ended up canceling. The problem with this proposal was that it wasn't clear enough about exactly which locations should get articles and which shouldn't. After that, the issue went unaddressed for years. So I went over them and organized them into groups: what we should keep, what we might want to keep, and what we should definitely merge. KEEP: These are the areas that I think should stay. It includes three different kinds of areas.
BORDERLINE: Ones I'm not quite sure about. These locations are notable to varying degrees, and may or may not deserve articles in the long run. I'm leaning towards keeping them for now since the main point of this is to weed out the really bad ones. MERGE: Everything not listed above should be merged, but here are some specific examples:
Here is a list of sub-locations in the game (not all of which are checkpoints), and whether or not I think they're split-worthy. Note the scrolling bar on the right - I put that there to save space on the page, since this proposal is already long as it is. If that bothers you, you can look at my sandbox instead.
There are three options: keep the "keepers" only, include the "borderlines", or everything. Every kingdom article will have a "checkpoint locations" section added to it, sort of like how we handle planets from SMG, with most of the unnecessary articles' content being merged there. Note that this proposal is preliminary - if we keep the "borderline" articles, we can always weed out the ones we don't want with later proposals. Conversely, later proposals can call for the recreation of articles previously deemed unworthy. There is absolutely no perfect solution to this problem, since in several cases, what qualifies as "notable enough" to have a page is subjective. However, we need to draw a line, and I don't want to make 50 proposals just to merge SMO checkpoint flags. Proposer: 7feetunder (talk) Only split the locations marked "keep"
Split "borderline" locations as well
No checkpoint left behind
CommentsLet me know if I missed anything - there's a lot to cover here. 00:53, September 21, 2021 (EDT) @Hewer: Quite a few of them really don't make for decent articles. Most of the "island in the sky" articles are just "It's a platform in the sky. You get there through a painting in [other kingdom]. There's a Power Moon and a Checkpoint Flag. The end." While there's nothing inherently wrong with short articles, I think it's much more logical to just cover them on the kingdom articles like we do with SMG planets. A lot of these are really trivial, just being featureless platforms and random nondescript chunks of level no one would dream of splitting if SMO didn't name every checkpoint. Even then, a lot of the names are generic. Nintendo probably only named them all for player convenience; I seriously doubt they intended things like "Heliport" and "Top of the Big Stump" to be seen as very important locations. Not everything with a name deserves an article (e.g. the Banana Bird caves in DKC3). 18:28, September 21, 2021 (EDT) Categorizing minigamesUse both 1-0-4 Proposer: WildWario (talk) Use their in-game typesUse Bowser minigamesUse both
CommentsDefine the scope of "Other appearances" sectionsIntegrate only appearances from third-party media we don't cover 0-0-6-0 Degrees of a subject's appearance in a fictional work can be delineated as:
Coverage for the first one, again, is firmly set in stone and disregarded by the proposal. As it's been well-established, if a Goomba kills you in a game, we make a section for that game on Goomba's article. The second and third ones are relevant here, with the third one commanding perhaps the most attention. As it stands, third-party appearances can be further assigned two scenarios: one in which we give the relevant fictional work "guest"-type article coverage, and one in which we do not. The goal of this proposal is to draw a concrete line over which type of appearance warrants being put under an "Other appearances" section--or even to decide whether such section is necessary at all. If certain appearances are excluded from the scope of this section, they are given their own sections outside of it. NOTE: For now, the outcome of this proposal would not overturn the decision of this proposal. Unused appearances will continue to be covered under "Other appearances" in addition to the subjects that are to be decided upon here. Proposer: Koopa con Carne (talk) Integrate in-franchise cameos and third-party mediaExample of in-franchise cameo: Bullet Bill block formation in Alleyway. (Relevant "Other appearances" section) Integrate only appearances from third-party media, whether said media is covered here on its own or notExample of appearance from a third-party media we give partial coverage to: Sledge Bro appearing as mobs in the Minecraft Super Mario Mash-Up Pack. (Relevant "Other appearances" section) Integrate only appearances from third-party media we don't coverExample of such appearance: Chain Chomp appearing as a weapon in Bayonetta 2. (Relevant "Other appearances" section)
It doesn't matter; no consistent pattern is to be establishedCommentsThere's two specific uses of other appearances section that doesn't seem like are covered here so I might as well bring them up. First, some other appearances sections have included merchandise (i.e. Mario Chess, Gamer Monopoly), and second, a proposal a while ago made it so that unused appearances of subjects are supposed to be covered in the other appearances section as well, though this has been poorly enforced since the proposal passed. How would those cases be handled under this proposal? (For my two cents regarding unused appearances at least, I wouldn't be opposed to adding dedicated subsections for those at the end of history sections.) -- Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 18:00, November 9, 2021 (EST)
There's one thing that this proposal does not address: mentions. That is, when a character does not appear in the game at all, but is referenced either directly (e.g. Princess Peach in Luigi's Mansion) or indirectly (e.g. Wingo in Super Mario Odyssey). Where do those fit in this equation? 19:30, November 9, 2021 (EST)
I removed the "Remove section altogether" because it conflicts with the decision of the proposal brought up by Waluigi Time (talk). -- KOOPA CON CARNE 19:54, November 9, 2021 (EST)
Decide if obscure media filenames from Nintendo's websites qualify as sources for subject namesDo not cite these filenames at all 2-5-12 I believe we should draw a hard line on whether we can acknowledge any and all of these website filenames, or none at all. I've listed several subjects concerned by this proposal:
From taking the liberty to refer to an established character as "Professor Edgar", to bum writing mishaps like "Rockey Road", I think it's clear now that these filenames are a horse of a different colour. This is why I am calling upon other editors to help assess their quality as sources. I myself am leaning towards using them, purely because they are official, but I sense others may have objections given the things I've stated above. Proposer: Koopa con Carne (talk) Acknowledge these names/misspellings in articles and use them as redirects
Only use these names/misspellings as redirects
Do not cite these filenames at all
Comments@Scrooge200: Well, not many people are going to encounter these filenames, that's for sure, but I believe their sheer obscurity in and of itself shouldn't be used as a point against documenting them. "Ahuehuehuea" originated from a place of dubious status which we have discounted as a source, whereas the filenames at hand are unequivocally official. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 20:00, December 21, 2021 (EST)
Also, I thought it'd be worth bringing up "Morty Wrench", which has also been discussed here. Scrooge200 (talk) 23:42, December 21, 2021 (EST) I feel about these the same way I feel about citing closed captions on streaming services as sources for official names. The public-facing material on these websites may be official, but that shouldn't extend to arbitrary judgement calls and typos by the people putting those websites together. --Glowsquid (talk) 11:38, December 22, 2021 (EST) Make new templates for frequent remindersMake new templates 9-0 The reminders mainly revolve around basic mistakes we keep having to remind people about, such as first-person writing or italics. When giving such reminders, we usually just type out a message. Let's turn these messages into templates. The wording will be moved to a new template page as-is, unless something about the wording needs changed. Doesn't need the code box that's around it all, as that's only there to easily copy-paste the text and keep the coding intact. A template doesn't need to do that. The signature coding should be excluded as well. Three of these reminders are meant for staff-only business, since staff are the only ones that can check IPs. Templates added will be, in the order on the sandbox:
Should this pass, I will format the coding I have to be able to be actually used as a functioning template. Proposer: Alex95 (talk) Make new templates
Don't make new templatesCommentsWait, how would the "use specific ones" one work if it wins? Would we use the most-voted one? The top two? The top three? The top half? All the ones that make it above a certain score? All but the least voted? Would it go into a run-off vote? I'm kinda confused. Somethingone (talk) 14:10, December 22, 2021 (EST)
Both 10-0 This can be handled similarly to the Sonic wiki situation. Take the Sonic the Hedgehog article for example—there is an external link to both Sonic Retro and Sonic News Network, presumably because Sonic Retro is a lot more behind on coverage than Sonic News Network. Triforce Wiki doesn't even have 1,000 articles yet whereas Zelda Dungeon Wiki has over 10,000 articles. Similarly, on the Link article, what this would mean is that there would be an External links section listing the Zelda Dungeon Wiki article first and then the Triforce Wiki article below it. As many probably know, I am the founder of Triforce Wiki, although I handed it over to grifkuba for hosting (they host a couple of other NIWA wikis, so this gives it some credibility) & it is under new leadership. However, adding links to Triforce Wiki might come across to some as a conflict of interest, as a majority of its userbase is from the Super Mario Wiki itself. Because of this, the proposal will have an option to only allow a Zelda Dungeon Wiki link in the External links section of The Legend of Zelda-related articles. Proposer: Results May Vary (talk) Both
Zelda Dungeon Wiki onlyNeitherCommentsI have a concern regarding this proposal. I like the concept of linking to other Zelda wikis to give off choice, but what does Triforce Wiki and Zelda Dungeons Wiki have to offer to be used as external links? Are they vastly superior to link over Zelda Wiki? I feel like this might be a "conflict-of-interest" regardless of what it is said on the proposal. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 19:29, December 30, 2021 (EST)
Create "Unused appearances" sections in historyCreate with headers 9-2-0 If the create with headers option is chosen, unused appearances sections will be divided by game and series, like normal history sections. If the create without headers option is chosen, there will be a single header where all information is kept. If do nothing is chosen, well, that's self-explanatory. Proposer: Waluigi Time (talk) Create with headers
Create without headers
Do nothingCommentsRename "List of clothing" articles for the Mario & Luigi series to "List of gear", and merge "List of badges" articles for Superstar Saga and Partners in Time with those respective articlesDo both 4-0-0 I will list the articles here for convenience: Proposer: Swallow (talk) Do both
Only rename articlesOnly merge badge lists with respective clothing articlesDo neitherCommentsReminder I did pass a proposal to split all the individual items in them, but haven't yet gotten around to it due to the massive undertaking it will be. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:15, January 7, 2022 (EST)
Shouldn't these article names be "List of (game title) gear" anyway, to be consistent with every other list articles (ie List of Mario Party 6 minigames, List of Paper Mario quotes, List of Super Mario Odyssey media)? Ray Trace(T|C) 17:01, January 10, 2022 (EST)
Split or Merge Mario Kart Tour's Pallet Swapscanceled by proposer
Proposer: Tails777 (talk) Split Mario Kart Tour Pallet Swap Characters
Merge Mario Kart Tour Pallet Swap Karts/Gliders
Do Nothing
Comments@Waluigi Time: The main reason I'm choosing to cover Tour only right now is because it's got a very simple, kinda enclosed solution. As I mentioned, diving into all sorts of pallet swaps deals with a lot more than just the Yoshis or Shy Guys; it could steer into RPG enemies as well, as they also feature pallet swaps and different stats. Trust me, I'd fully support splitting the Yoshis back into their separate articles because of their multiple appearances with differences (as you mentioned, Super Mario World). But because that topic covers so much, I thought it would be a hard and somewhat complicated place to start. So I thought of covering Tour only because the solutions are more simple to work with. Additionally, I do address the idea of costumed alternates, being something that could also qualify if people think they should. I would also support the idea, because like the colored pallet swaps, karts and gliders, they feature the same differences. Tails777 Talk to me!
What's your opinion on Goo-Goo Buggy/Rattle Buggy, Red Fire/Green Fire, Heart Coach/Bloom Coach, Piranha Pipes/Boo Pipes, Light Tripper/Light Dancer as well as the StandardXX articles (like Standard BW)? It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:21, January 20, 2022 (EST)
I am willing to withdraw this proposal to talk about the topic more elsewhere. I completely understand where the opposing side is getting at: the idea of covering Tour only. Again, my reasoning was an attempt at starting simple, but it is very clear that it was not nearly as simple as anticipated. However, I still can't understand why we'll make articles for the Blue Biddybuggy, which is literally the blue color swap from Mario Kart 8, but not for something like Blue Yoshi. That's where my main concern comes from. In my overall opinion, I'd rather split articles like colored Yoshis and cover every instance where their colors differentiated from each other, such as in Super Mario World, the Mario Baseball series and such, and do so for other pallet swaps. I really do want to discuss this further to try to come to some sort of conclusion. Tails777 Talk to me! |