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So here's my two cents: I agree to the point that several big boss plants with the similar tangled vines and bud design can probably be listed as variants with relatively little issue. Of these, it's safest to consider Big Bungee Piranha as clearly derived from Naval Piranha, since it's not only from the game's sequel but it has several of the same attacks such as use of Nipper Spores. Spike the Piranha seemingly takes more from Wild Ptooie Piranha as it utilizes other projectiles, but I think that can additionally be called a derivative by proxy, considering it's from a subsequent ''Yoshi'' platformer also including what's effectively another twist on Burt the Bashful. I'm iffier on RPG bosses due to the genre difference, but if I had to say what's likelier next, Lava Piranha simply has more similarities with ''Yoshi's Island'' Naval Piranha over Megasmilax right down to the bud design and "spore" usage. I wouldn't be too sure about Megasmilax since it's just not as transformative as the aforementioned in my estimation - the Smilax buds look virtually identical to typical Piranha Plant heads, the flower itself is most closely derived from Bean Valley's (potted/grown) plants, and this goes for the stem as depicted in the overworld. I'd remove Piranha Creeper and Prickly Piranha Plant enemies from the infobox entirely - the Naval Piranha similarities are the most general here, they lack common buds, and the thorny element there is mainly a visual indicator of what can't be stomped on in games where regular Piranha Plants are stompable more than particularly probable intention. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:12, March 26, 2022 (EDT)
So here's my two cents: I agree to the point that several big boss plants with the similar tangled vines and bud design can probably be listed as variants with relatively little issue. Of these, it's safest to consider Big Bungee Piranha as clearly derived from Naval Piranha, since it's not only from the game's sequel but it has several of the same attacks such as use of Nipper Spores. Spike the Piranha seemingly takes more from Wild Ptooie Piranha as it utilizes other projectiles, but I think that can additionally be called a derivative by proxy, considering it's from a subsequent ''Yoshi'' platformer also including what's effectively another twist on Burt the Bashful. I'm iffier on RPG bosses due to the genre difference, but if I had to say what's likelier next, Lava Piranha simply has more similarities with ''Yoshi's Island'' Naval Piranha over Megasmilax right down to the bud design and "spore" usage. I wouldn't be too sure about Megasmilax since it's just not as transformative as the aforementioned in my estimation - the Smilax buds look virtually identical to typical Piranha Plant heads, the flower itself is most closely derived from Bean Valley's (potted/grown) plants, and this goes for the stem as depicted in the overworld. I'd remove Piranha Creeper and Prickly Piranha Plant enemies from the infobox entirely - the Naval Piranha similarities are the most general here, they lack common buds, and the thorny element there is mainly a visual indicator of what can't be stomped on in games where regular Piranha Plants are stompable more than particularly probable intention. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:12, March 26, 2022 (EDT)
To bring in ''my'' two cents (since this talk seemingly hasn't been resolved), Naval Piranha is as much a "species" as [[Talk:Big_Boo#Split_.22Big_Boo_.28character.29.22|Boss Teresa]]. Generic Japanese name be darned, it's still a ''singular character'', of which only one Naval Piranha appears in a game (with the notable example of ''Yoshi's Wooly World'', but even then the ''Mario'' franchise is no stranger to seemingly destroyed bosses inexplicably reappearing later on). By the same logic used to call Naval Piranha a species, shouldn't we be considering [[Burt the Bashful]] a species due to the existence of the [[Big Burt Bros.]], or [[Hookbill the Koopa]] a species because of [[Knot-Wing the Koopa|Knot-Wing]]? And I don't think any of us want to see an article start with "Burt the Bashfuls are..." [[User:DrippingYellow|DrippingYellow]] ([[User talk:DrippingYellow|talk]]) 14:24, May 7, 2024 (EDT)