MarioWiki:Proposals

Current time: Thursday, May 23rd, 21:57 GMT

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken. "Vote" periods last for one week. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!"). All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options. For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
   • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

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===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "May 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

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Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
   • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

• Delete Memory Card (discuss) Deadline: May 23, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• In Template:Species infobox, expand "Relatives" guidelines to include variant-type relationships with significant differences between species (discuss) Deadline: May 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to May 19, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to May 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Add a Composers Subsection to Template:Themes (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Include Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill back in the Rainbow Road article (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Split the contents of the blimp page (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Create a Rewrite-remove template (discuss) Deadline: May 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Decide whether to redesign the Main Page (discuss) Deadline: June 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Consider Spike Top derived from both Buzzy Beetles and Spinies (discuss) Deadline: June 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
• Merge Iron Cleft with Armored Harriers (discuss) Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Merge the Wrecking Crew and VS. Wrecking Crew phases into list articles, Axis (ended February 24, 2022)

Do not consider usage of classic recurring themes as references to the game of origin, Swallow (ended March 9, 2022)

Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)

Enforce WCAG Level AA standards to mainspace and template content, PanchamBro (ended May 29, 2022)

Change how RPG enemy infoboxes classify role, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2022)

Trim away detailed special move information for all non-Mario fighters, Koopa con Carne (ended January 30, 2023)

• ^Note: This has yet to be done with with several non–Super Mario fighters who still have their own page; namely, Banjo, Fox, Inkling, Isabelle, Kirby, Link, Mega Man, Pac-Man, R.O.B., Sonic, and Villager.

Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023)

Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)

Consider filenames as sources and create redirects, Axis (ended August 24, 2023)

Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)

Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024)

Standardize the formatting of foreign and explanatory words and phrases in "Names in other languages" tables, Annalisa10 (ended February 7, 2024)

Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)

Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)

Trim Mario Kart course galleries of excess Tour stuff, Shadow2 (ended May 18, 2024)

Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)

Split the various reissues of Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended April 22, 2022)

Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)

Expand source priority exception to include regional English differences, LinkTheLefty (ended January 14, 2023)

Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)

Remove the list of Super Smash Bros. series objects, Axis (ended May 10, 2023)

Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023)

Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)

Change the Super Mario 64 DS level section to include more specific character requirements, Altendo (ended December 20, 2023)

Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023)

Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)

Merge the ghost Bats and Mice from Luigi's Mansion to their respective organic counterparts from the later games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)

Split Strobomb from Robomb, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024)

Split the NES and SNES releases of Wario's Woods, SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (ended March 27, 2024)

Merge Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner to Mii, TheUndescribableGhost (ended March 28, 2024)

Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)

Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)

Merge Stompybot 3000 with Colonel Pluck, DrippingYellow (ended May 4, 2024)

Split "Team Dinosaur" from The Dinosaurs, Blinker (ended May 15, 2024)

Rename Moneybags to Moneybag (enemy), Hewer (ended May 20, 2024)

List of Talk Page Proposals

• Move Fire Chomp to Flame Chomp (Discuss) Deadline: August 12, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Split the 3 Smash Bros Templates (Discuss) Deadline: August 13, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Move Blue Lava Bubble to Template:Fakelink (Discuss) Deadline: August 16, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Category: RPG Characters (Discuss) Deadline: August 19, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Delete Template:Sprite gallery (Discuss) Deadline: August 22, 2013, 23:59 GMT
• Move Knight Greenie to Template:Fakelink and add information (Discuss) Deadline: August 24, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Writing Guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Make Template:Fakelink template

Since there is really many 3D games.. and there is too much models on this wiki that is classed as a sprite. So I porpose we create a template for them. I'm not so good with copyrights, but here is an almost a copy from {{game-sprite}}

This is a model originally from a copyrighted computer or video game, and the copyright for it is most likely held by the company that developed the game. It is believed that the use of a limited number of web-resolution models for identification and critical commentary on the computer or video game in question or the copyrighted character(s) depicted on the screenshot in question qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law, as such display does not significantly impede the right of the copyright holder to sell the copyrighted material, is not being used to turn a profit in this context, and presents ideas that cannot be exhibited otherwise. See Copyrights and fair use rationale.

Proposer: Megadardery (talk)
Deadline: August 18, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Megadardery (talk) Per proposal
2. Tails777 (talk) They aren't sprites so a separate template for models seems like a good idea to me. Per proposal.
3. Yoshi876 (talk) If they're different, have different templates. Per proposal.
4. Madikoopa (talk) Per all.

Make "List of Quotes by Character" Pages

I think we should make "List of Quotes by Character" pages (with "Character" being replaced by the name of a specific character). All the information will go onto a Writing Guideline eventually, but in the mantime, I'll just provide the main ideas here for reference...

These pages would only be for recurring characters, as oneshot characters already have complete quote lists on their parent games' pages. Discretion should also be used when determining what recurring characters should get quotes pages. If a character is major in one game, but only has a few lines in another game or two, there is no point giving them a quote page either: just give them a Quotes section with {{main}} to the major appearance, as well as some choice quotes from that and all the quotes from the minor appearance. Similarly, if a character appears in many games, but they only have a couple lines in each one, just compile them into a small list that fits in a single Quotes section (like how no separate list pages are needed when there's only one or two glitches or beta elements). Character with quotes list pages should also get Quotes sections linking to the lists with {{Main}}, with a small sample of notable or characteristic (oft-repeated) quotes (in accordance with MarioWiki:Empty Section Policy).

Each quote page will have a standardized header: "This is a list of quotes by [[character]]." (this will be added to MarioWiki:Subpages Policy). The first section will be "General", and list quotes that appear in more than one appearance; if they only occur a couple times, the appearances can be listed (put these quotes at the bottom), but otherwise, just leave them. Try to put the most stereotypical quotes at the top (i.e. "Mama Mia" for Mario, "Help me, Mario!" for Peach, etc.), and remember that generic quotes are allowed here - just not things like screams ("ahhh"), nonsense and other stuff that sheds absolutely no light on the character ("hi", "okay", etc.); when in doubt, or when there's disagreement, take it to the talk page. After that section, go by genre/media type: Platformers first, since they usually have less quotes, and after that comes Sports, then Spinoffs (including all the random things), then the RPGs (since these are likely to be the big, hefty sections), then the "Non-game appearances", and finally, a Misc. section for commercials ("Mario, Mario, Mario ja nai!" - Peach, NSLU), websites, and other things like that.. Specific series may be given headers, and specific games too, if they produce a large amount of quotes (typically, games sections will be reserved for the RPGs; spinoffs and sports will at least get series headers often, I suspect); otherwise, just put what game each quote is from following the quote All sections should follow the "unsorted" quotes; use chronological order for everything at every level as much as possible. For the non-game appearances, sections can be given for the different shows, movies, publications, etc., or just list them "unsorted" like the games/series with few quotes.

Pretty sure that's everything. But again, the real proposal part's the first paragraph, so if that's all you read, you got the idea.

Proposer: Walkazo (talk) (prompted by Megadardery (talk) and Yoshi876 (talk))
Deadline: August 18, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Walkazo (talk) - Per me. I've had this idea for years and have been mulling it over in earnest since this proposal happened...
2. GBAToad (talk) Per Walkazo.
3. Zero777 (talk) Seems like a pretty solid proposal. I'll support it! It's a good idea to have a separate page for that because putting a large list on the parent article clutters the place up and takes up too much space which can be bad for people with low bandwidth.

Removals

Remove Select Level Image Maps

See walkazo's comment:

I also question the need for platformer image maps at all. They've always struck me as a bit superfluous, especially for linear games - like Template:YISMA3_Map - what's the point? The level numbers are right there already, so it's not like an amorphous RPG map or whatever...

I read her comment and I totally agree with her, And yeah, Navigation Templates will do the trick for them, and If we must keep something, I'd like to keep the Icons, But remove the templates. By removing I mean the following templates: {{NSMB2map}}, {{NSMBmap}}, {{SMW2YI Map}}, {{YISMA3 Map}} and {{YIDS Map}}.

Proposer: Megadardery (talk) (Walkazo's Idea)
Deadline: August 14, 2013, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Megadardery (talk) Per above.
2. Gonzales Kart Inc. (talk) I got an idea to make them images. Per proposal.
3. SuperYoshiBros (talk) In my opinion, it's pointless. Per all.
4. Walkazo (talk) - Per me. Straightforward and simple set-ups are better than needless flash.
5. Baby Luigi (talk) I don't really support any image maps in general. They always strike me of more of what the capability of the wiki can boast. However, this is just plain redundant. Images mean a thousand words and all, but if this image level maps' purpose are as the same as a simple nav template, then the point of an image becomes pointless and taking up space.
6. Time Turner (talk) Per all.
7. Mario4Ever (talk) Per Walkazo.
8. Jazama (talk) Per all
9. Ace Shadow (talk) Per all.

Oppose

1. Tails777 (talk) I don't see anything wrong with them. They seem helpful to me.
2. MegaKoopa (talk) Per Tails777.
3. Tucayo (talk) - These templates don't clutter the pages they are in, they help with navigation, and they embellish the articles they are in. All the CSS the wiki has is by no means necessary, but it makes it look attractive, and attractive is good.
4. Yoshi876 (talk) Per all.
5. A Paragoomba and the Koopa Bros. (talk) Per all, they are easier to navigate with.
6. Mario7 (talk) Per all.
7. ParaLemmy1234 (talk) They can help see the layout of the map (e.g. location of Toad houses, the castle, any ghost houses, etc.). Per all.
8. Aokage (talk) Per all.
9. YoshiKong (talk) – Strongly disagree, per all.
10. Iggy Koopa Jr (talk)Per all.
11. Zero777 (talk) Per Tucayo

Comments

Is it really necessary to get rid of them? They look really nice and don't make too much of a clutter. --Tucayo (talk) 15:03, 6 August 2013 (EDT)

What's the point of keeping the icons? Yoshi876 (talk)

The icons being the images themselves? It'd make sense to have them on the world pages, but not the level pages. Also, thanks for crediting me with the idea, but for the record, I'm a girl, so if the pronouns could be fixed, that'd be great... - Walkazo (talk)

I dunno what your problem is but that sounds a bit rude... PPLToast (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2013 (EDT)

I already know, just a typo. @Tucayo, If a thing is unneeded, then we don't need it. they may be nice, but not fantastic, I'd prefer them, if they are em, locations. not just 'worlds' Megadardery (talk)

Stuff like {{Beamap}}, {{PitMKmap}}, {{BisMKmap}}, and {{Bowsermap}}, also feel a bit pointless for me other than showing off. In the sections of the articles they appear in, it feels redundant, but preferably, I'd like the links of the locations in the article get removed, not the picture. LeftyGreenMario (talk)

Lists are good if you don't want to have to waver your mouse all over an image, or if you're just looking for a list of names at a glance, and whatnot. Things like {{Bowsermap}} are handy when you don't know the name, or when you'd simply like an annotated map to help match names with locations. They're good for game articles and pages like Bowser's body or Mushroom Kingdom, although I'm honestly not too crazy about them also being used as navigation templates on the individual location pages; it's not as bad as linear games getting the image map treatment, but it still seems a bit unnecessary. - Walkazo (talk)

First, keeping the picture without the links is bit confusing. Especially for games like PiT. How can i know where this location is on the map? The propose of any Image Map, is to make navigation easier. Plus knowing what is the name of every part of the map. Keeping templates like {{NSMBmap}} does not add any help in navigation stuff. However, Templates like {{Bowsermap}} is good, because people may know the location but not the name. And searching wouldn't help at all. Visual maps are the really type of Image Maps that should be kept. Megadardery (talk)

If I use the Yoshi's Island here as an example, some people may remember the icon of the level, but not the level name, so keeping that template and others like it are necessary for easy navigation. Yoshi876 (talk)

If we have to, we could add those to the navigation template. Megadardery (talk)

@ParaLemmy1234: What you mean with that? I'm talking about linear games maps (just icons) not other maps (real location).Megadardery (talk)

Changes

Moving pages like "Cat Mario" to "Cat Form" and so

Well this is my first proposal so I am going to attempt. I was linked here. I think that pages for Mario's forms (Raccoon, Cat etc.) should be renamed to like "Raccoon Form", putting the word "Form" at the end of Mario's form articles. Because some characters (like in SMB2 or NSMW) can also achieve the form, not just Mario. It would make more sense to just put for example "Cat Form" instead of "Cat Mario", since all the chars in NSMW can go Cat form. (that is an example, I mean for all of Mario's forms, even if it is only Mario that ever achieves them).

Proposer: Kuzey457
Deadline: August 16, 2013 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Yoshi876 (talk) Per proposal.
2. Tucayo (talk) - Makes more sense than having to clarify on every article any character can transform into it.
3. SuperYoshiBros (talk) I was actually thinking about this recently. Per all.
4. Zero777 (talk) I agree, Mario isn't the only one who can obtain the powers of the fire flower. Plus that template at the top of those articles that say that it may also apply to a Luigi form is really ugly-looking, and, to me, unprofessional.

Comments

If this passes, will {{diff}} have to be deleted? driftmaster130 (talk)

It'd be unneeded, so I'd say yes. Yoshi876 (talk)

No, it is necessary for other uses. like this - Megadardery (talk)

Stupid question, but is the name "Tanooki form" and "Fire form" ever used? LeftyGreenMario (talk)

I won't vote now, but isn't "Fire form" a conjecture name? - Megadardery (talk)

I was asking that... LeftyGreenMario (talk)

Sorry, I didn't understand you. better contact an admin before this proposal pass - Megadardery (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.