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===List of talk page proposals=== | ===List of talk page proposals=== | ||
{{TPPDiscuss| | {{TPPDiscuss|Split [[Red Pepper]], [[Green Pepper]], and [[Blue Pepper]] from [[Pepper]]|Talk:Pepper#Split Red Pepper, Green Pepper, and Blue Pepper|October 14, 2019, 23:59 GMT}} | ||
{{TPPDiscuss|Delete [[Dinosaur]]|Talk:Dinosaur#Send this article back to the Cretaceous period|October 24, 2019, 23:59 GMT}} | |||
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|align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 41#Create separate articles for DKC series and DKL series boss levels|Create boss level articles for ''Donkey Kong Country'' and ''Donkey Kong Land'' series]] | |align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 41#Create separate articles for DKC series and DKL series boss levels|Create boss level articles for ''Donkey Kong Country'' and ''Donkey Kong Land'' series]]<br>'''Notes:''' The ''DK: King of Swing'' boss levels, while not explicitly covered by this proposal, should receive the same treatment. All ''Donkey Kong Land'' boss levels have been created. | ||
|{{User|Aokage}} | |{{User|Aokage}} | ||
|January 3, 2015 | |January 3, 2015 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[Talk:Behemoth#Merge_Behemoth_King_to_Behemoth_or_expand_Behemoth_King_article|Expand the Behemoth King article]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|Owencrazyboy9}} | ||
| | |December 23, 2017 | ||
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|align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive | |align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Change the way that recurring Mario & Sonic events are handled, round 2|Decide how to cover recurring events in the ''Mario & Sonic'' series]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|BBQ Turtle}} | ||
| | |July 17, 2018 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 52#Split Switch/3DS ports with substantial new content|Allow ports of games with substantial new content to be split from the parent articles]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|Waluigi Time}} | ||
| | |July 23, 2018 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 53#Create articles on Play Nintendo games|Create articles on Play Nintendo games]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} | ||
| | |June 23, 2019 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[Talk:Map#Reorganize this page|Reorganize Map]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|LudwigVon}} | ||
| | |July 17, 2019 | ||
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|align=left|[[Talk: | |align=left|[[Talk:Note Block#Split into Note Block, Jump Block (New Super Mario Bros. Wii) and Jump Block (Mario & Wario)|Split Jump Block (''Mario & Wario'') from Note Block]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|Alternis}} | ||
| | |July 21, 2019 | ||
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|align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive | |align=left|[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 54#Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries|Reorganize and split Gallery:Toys and other Merchandise galleries]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|Results May Vary}} | ||
| | |July 30, 2019 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[Talk:Goomba#Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants from this article|Split the Ice Skate and Swim Ring variants of the Goomba]] | ||
|{{User| | |{{User|FanOfYoshi}} | ||
| | |August 17, 2019 | ||
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|align=left|[[ | |align=left|[[Talk:Noki#Determine how to handle this page|Split Buckies from Noki]] | ||
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==New features== | ==New features== | ||
''None at the moment.'' | |||
==Removals== | ==Removals== | ||
''None at the moment.'' | |||
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===Split all multi-items in the ''Mario Kart'' series=== | |||
Okay, this is something that's been bothering me since I first joined this wiki about three years ago. | |||
One of the habits of choice in 2009/2010 was destroying small articles deemed "stubs" and merging them into parent articles. This included the multi-items from the ''Mario Kart'' series, and no one opposed it then. | |||
While back then everything was merged with good intentions, right now I don't see exactly how those articles are "stubs" at all. It's also not like they're ''just'' multiple items in one; in fact, there are some traits about ''Mario Kart'' multi-items that actually function different from the base item. The most common difference is the multiple items orbiting the player's kart ([[Double Bob-ombs]], [[Triple Green Shells]] and [[Triple Red Shells]] in all games they appear in except ''Double Dash!!'', and [[Triple Bananas]] and [[Triple Mushrooms]] in ''8'' and ''8 Deluxe''), though there are other differences as well (such as automatically being placed behind the player's kart). Plus, it's usually common sense to split out similarly-looking items when nearly everything else about them is different. | |||
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In addition, the way the subjects are clumped together aren't that impressive either; what else would it be but trying to alternate between subjects when presenting them in separate articles would be better? All in all, these are fairly separate subjects I would like to see re-split. | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 12, 2019, 23:59 GMT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per proposal. | #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per proposal. | ||
#{{User| | #{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per proposal. | ||
#{{User| | #{{User|Doomhiker}} In ''Mario Kart Tour'' these are even more different given that all of the items that are in bunches firing at once, plus some multi-items are character exclusive in certain games too. Per all. | ||
#{{User|Bye Guy}} I support | |||
#{{User| | #{{user|Baby Luigi}} the triple items aren't identical in function either. they form a shield around your kart, and you obtain them in different places and have different probabilities. by all intents and purposes, they're different | ||
#{{ | #{{User|Tails777}} I honestly never thought about that before, but actually seeing it makes me think about it and yeah, I get where you're coming from. Orbiting items especially serve as both offense and defense. So yeah, per proposal. | ||
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} At first I thought otherwise, but we do have other articles for "something but there's more of it" and these are considered separate items. | |||
#{{User|MarioManiac1981}} I can remember that even two years ago, these multi-items had their own articles. What was the point of their merging? Beats me. I'm in full support of splitting these. | |||
#{{User| | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} I don't see why not. | ||
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all. | |||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User| | #{{User|Alex95}} - Triple Green Shells isn't much different from Green Shells, it's just more Green Shells. Same goes for the other multi-items, it's just more of one item. Character-exclusivity, being dragged or carried, and whether you fire one or all at a time aren't really arguments. | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per Alex95, I'm having a hard time justifying a separate article for "item but there's more of it". | |||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Here's the full list: | |||
*[[Banana]] → [[Banana Bunch]], [[Triple Bananas]] | |||
*[[Bob-omb]] → [[Double Bob-ombs]] | |||
*[[Green Shell]] → [[Triple Green Shells]] | |||
*[[Mushroom]] → [[Triple Mushrooms]] | |||
*[[Red Shell]] → [[Triple Red Shells]] | |||
*All multi-items in the arcade games not covered here | |||
I think it's also worth noting that [[Banana Bunch]] is the exceptional case here; I'd also support throwing in the ''Donkey Kong Country'' series information seeing as how we already handle [[5 Coin]] and [[10-Coin]]. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:27, October 5, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Exactly. The banana page is an awkward mess because of both that and the stubborn insistence we don't split the peels. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:27, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
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@alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Alright, you may have a point on whether it circles the racer or not, though ''Double Dash'' is an already noted exception that makes Triple Green Shells handle like regular Green Shells, except you drop two if you take any damage. Not sure about probabilities and rarities, that can just be listed in the game section. | |||
:For character specific items, though, would that just mean {{fake link|Triple Green Shells (Koopa Troopa)}} gets its own page from [[Triple Green Shells]]? Just saying Triple Green Shells are exclusive to Koopa Troopa in ''Double Dash'' (which it already does) is enough. Character exclusivity isn't enough for a split, otherwise we'd split [[Metal Mario (form)]] between it and [[Metal Wario]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:03, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::It seems like my comment was misinterpreted. What I meant is that in certain games for example, Triple Green Shells cannot be used by all characters, which is yet another difference between the two. It does not mean in any way that they should be split based off their game appearances, or that items that have no variants such as Golden Mushrooms should be split. I just meant that certain variants of items being exclusive to certain characters in certain games is another difference between them and their regular variants and thus is another reason why we should split the bunch items, and is not an individual basis for a split nor a split of a split. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:15, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::I know the games treat Green Shells and Triple Green Shells as separate items, it'd be a lot more coding if they weren't. But it really is just "Green Shell x3". It creates a barrier around you most of the time, but it otherwise acts exactly like three Green Shells. Probability and character exclusivity I don't think are valid arguments for splitting, unless the item does something completely different when used by a certain character. There are points both for and against this, so I'll say I'll agree with it either way, but I'm more against than for. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:19, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::We split other examples of "subject x number", one notable example I can think of off the top of my head being [[Goomba Tower]]s, but others include [[Dango]]s and [[Shy Guy Stack]]s. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 17:21, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::i'd argue that general availability for players is a decent argument for considering a split and not something that can be simply handwaved away {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:33, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::Fair point, I'll probably think about this more. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:40, October 10, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Miscellaneous== | ==Miscellaneous== | ||
''None at the moment.'' | |||
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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.
How to
Rules
- If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
- Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
- Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
- For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
- Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
- Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
- Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
- If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
- No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
- Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
- All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
- If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
- Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
- All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
- If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
- Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
- Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
- Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
- No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
- Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.
Basic proposal and support/oppose format
This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.
===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]
'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]
====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]
====Oppose====
====Comments====
Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.
To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".
Talk page proposals
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.
- For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.
Rules
- All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPPDiscuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{SettledTPP}}.
- All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
- Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
- For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
- The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
- When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.
List of ongoing talk page proposals
- In Template:Species infobox, expand "Relatives" guidelines to include variant-type relationships with significant differences between species (discuss) Deadline:
May 12, 2024, 23:59 GMT Extended to May 19, 2024, 23:59 GMTExtended to May 26, 2024, 23:59 GMT - Add a Composers Subsection to Template:Themes (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Include Rainbow Coaster & Rainbow Downhill back in the Rainbow Road article (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Split the contents of the blimp page (discuss) Deadline: May 28, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Create a Rewrite-remove template (discuss) Deadline: May 30, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Decide whether to redesign the Main Page (discuss) Deadline: June 1, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Consider Spike Top derived from both Buzzy Beetles and Spinies (discuss) Deadline: June 4, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Merge Iron Cleft with The Iron Adonis Twins (discuss) Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Merge Meat (object) with Meat (discuss) Deadline: June 6, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Re-merge Frog (Yoshi's Story) with Frog (discuss) Deadline: June 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Move the chef-based recipe lists (such as List of Tayce T. recipes) to game-based ones (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Merge the corresponding chef-named recipes (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Merge Silver Credit and Gold Credit to Silver Card and Golden Card, respectively (discuss) Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Move Moo Moo back to cow (discuss) Deadline: June 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
- Split Samus from List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. (discuss) Deadline: June 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
Unimplemented proposals
Proposals
Merge the Wrecking Crew and VS. Wrecking Crew phases into list articles, Axis (ended February 24, 2022) |
Do not consider usage of classic recurring themes as references to the game of origin, Swallow (ended March 9, 2022) |
Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022) |
Enforce WCAG Level AA standards to mainspace and template content, PanchamBro (ended May 29, 2022) |
Change how RPG enemy infoboxes classify role, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 18, 2022) |
Trim away detailed special move information for all non-Mario fighters, Koopa con Carne (ended January 30, 2023) |
- ^Note: This has yet to be done with with several non–Super Mario fighters who still have their own page; namely, Banjo, Fox, Inkling, Isabelle, Kirby, Link, Mega Man, Pac-Man, R.O.B., Sonic, and Villager.
Classify the Just Dance series as a guest appearance, Spectrogram (ended April 27, 2023) |
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023) |
Consider filenames as sources and create redirects, Axis (ended August 24, 2023) |
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023) |
Remove elemental creatures categories from various Super Mario RPG enemies, Swallow (ended January 11, 2024) |
Standardize the formatting of foreign and explanatory words and phrases in "Names in other languages" tables, Annalisa10 (ended February 7, 2024) |
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024) |
Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024) |
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024) |
Talk page proposals
Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021) |
Split the various reissues of Mario Bros., Doc von Schmeltwick (ended April 22, 2022) |
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022) |
Expand source priority exception to include regional English differences, LinkTheLefty (ended January 14, 2023) |
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023) |
Remove the list of Super Smash Bros. series objects, Axis (ended May 10, 2023) |
Split Special Shot into separate articles by game, Technetium (ended September 30, 2023) |
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023) |
Change the Super Mario 64 DS level section to include more specific character requirements, Altendo (ended December 20, 2023) |
Split the Jungle Buddies from Animal Friends, DrippingYellow (ended December 22, 2023) |
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024) |
Merge the ghost Bats and Mice from Luigi's Mansion to their respective organic counterparts from the later games, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024) |
Split Strobomb from Robomb, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 20, 2024) |
Split the NES and SNES releases of Wario's Woods, SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA) (ended March 27, 2024) |
Merge Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner to Mii, TheUndescribableGhost (ended March 28, 2024) |
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024) |
Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024) |
Merge Stompybot 3000 with Colonel Pluck, DrippingYellow (ended May 4, 2024) |
Split "Team Dinosaur" from The Dinosaurs, Blinker (ended May 15, 2024) |
Rename Moneybags to Moneybag (enemy), Hewer (ended May 20, 2024) |
Delete Memory Card, Nightwicked Bowser (ended May 23, 2024) |
List of talk page proposals
- Split Red Pepper, Green Pepper, and Blue Pepper from Pepper (discuss) Deadline: October 14, 2019, 23:59 GMT
- Delete Dinosaur (discuss) Deadline: October 24, 2019, 23:59 GMT
Unimplemented proposals
Writing guidelines
None at the moment.
New features
None at the moment.
Removals
None at the moment.
Changes
Split all multi-items in the Mario Kart series
Okay, this is something that's been bothering me since I first joined this wiki about three years ago.
One of the habits of choice in 2009/2010 was destroying small articles deemed "stubs" and merging them into parent articles. This included the multi-items from the Mario Kart series, and no one opposed it then.
While back then everything was merged with good intentions, right now I don't see exactly how those articles are "stubs" at all. It's also not like they're just multiple items in one; in fact, there are some traits about Mario Kart multi-items that actually function different from the base item. The most common difference is the multiple items orbiting the player's kart (Double Bob-ombs, Triple Green Shells and Triple Red Shells in all games they appear in except Double Dash!!, and Triple Bananas and Triple Mushrooms in 8 and 8 Deluxe), though there are other differences as well (such as automatically being placed behind the player's kart). Plus, it's usually common sense to split out similarly-looking items when nearly everything else about them is different.
In addition, the way the subjects are clumped together aren't that impressive either; what else would it be but trying to alternate between subjects when presenting them in separate articles would be better? All in all, these are fairly separate subjects I would like to see re-split.
Proposer: Toadette the Achiever (talk)
Deadline: October 12, 2019, 23:59 GMT
Support
- Toadette the Achiever (talk) Per proposal.
- TheDarkStar (talk) - Per proposal.
- Doomhiker (talk) In Mario Kart Tour these are even more different given that all of the items that are in bunches firing at once, plus some multi-items are character exclusive in certain games too. Per all.
- Bye Guy (talk) I support
- Baby Luigi (talk) the triple items aren't identical in function either. they form a shield around your kart, and you obtain them in different places and have different probabilities. by all intents and purposes, they're different
- Tails777 (talk) I honestly never thought about that before, but actually seeing it makes me think about it and yeah, I get where you're coming from. Orbiting items especially serve as both offense and defense. So yeah, per proposal.
- Obsessive Mario Fan (talk) At first I thought otherwise, but we do have other articles for "something but there's more of it" and these are considered separate items.
- MarioManiac1981 (talk) I can remember that even two years ago, these multi-items had their own articles. What was the point of their merging? Beats me. I'm in full support of splitting these.
- FanOfYoshi (talk) I don't see why not.
- Niiue (talk) Per all.
Oppose
- Alex95 (talk) - Triple Green Shells isn't much different from Green Shells, it's just more Green Shells. Same goes for the other multi-items, it's just more of one item. Character-exclusivity, being dragged or carried, and whether you fire one or all at a time aren't really arguments.
- Waluigi Time (talk) Per Alex95, I'm having a hard time justifying a separate article for "item but there's more of it".
Comments
Here's the full list:
- Banana → Banana Bunch, Triple Bananas
- Bob-omb → Double Bob-ombs
- Green Shell → Triple Green Shells
- Mushroom → Triple Mushrooms
- Red Shell → Triple Red Shells
- All multi-items in the arcade games not covered here
I think it's also worth noting that Banana Bunch is the exceptional case here; I'd also support throwing in the Donkey Kong Country series information seeing as how we already handle 5 Coin and 10-Coin. (T|C) 15:27, October 5, 2019 (EDT)
- Exactly. The banana page is an awkward mess because of both that and the stubborn insistence we don't split the peels. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:27, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
@alex95: triple items have different probabilities and rarities on your placement than single items (triple green shells do not even appear in ds wifi matches), they also form a shield circling around your kart which makes them more functionality different than single green shells, despite the minor difference, and they take up their own slot separate from green shells. and explain how character exclusivity isn't an "argument" the fact that only some characters can use the specific set of items strengthens the argument for the split rather than not. Ray Trace(T|C) 16:53, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- Alright, you may have a point on whether it circles the racer or not, though Double Dash is an already noted exception that makes Triple Green Shells handle like regular Green Shells, except you drop two if you take any damage. Not sure about probabilities and rarities, that can just be listed in the game section.
- For character specific items, though, would that just mean Triple Green Shells (Koopa Troopa) gets its own page from Triple Green Shells? Just saying Triple Green Shells are exclusive to Koopa Troopa in Double Dash (which it already does) is enough. Character exclusivity isn't enough for a split, otherwise we'd split Metal Mario (form) between it and Metal Wario. 17:03, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. Ray Trace(T|C) 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- It seems like my comment was misinterpreted. What I meant is that in certain games for example, Triple Green Shells cannot be used by all characters, which is yet another difference between the two. It does not mean in any way that they should be split based off their game appearances, or that items that have no variants such as Golden Mushrooms should be split. I just meant that certain variants of items being exclusive to certain characters in certain games is another difference between them and their regular variants and thus is another reason why we should split the bunch items, and is not an individual basis for a split nor a split of a split. Doomhiker (talk) 17:15, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- I know the games treat Green Shells and Triple Green Shells as separate items, it'd be a lot more coding if they weren't. But it really is just "Green Shell x3". It creates a barrier around you most of the time, but it otherwise acts exactly like three Green Shells. Probability and character exclusivity I don't think are valid arguments for splitting, unless the item does something completely different when used by a certain character. There are points both for and against this, so I'll say I'll agree with it either way, but I'm more against than for. 17:19, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- We split other examples of "subject x number", one notable example I can think of off the top of my head being Goomba Towers, but others include Dangos and Shy Guy Stacks. Doomhiker (talk) 17:21, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
- the point about different probabilities is a point in its favor to make it a separate item from the single ones, since practically every other separate item has different probabilities and you obtain them in different placements and rankings. like, the red shell for example can be broken down to just a red-colored shell with homing, like the second upgrade missile from diddy kong racing, but that item also has different rates of obtaining them too. mario kart items don't have deeply nuanced differences from each other (fake item boxes are just see-through bananas with shell hitting capbilities, spiny shells are just red shells that home onto first place, chain chomps are just bullet bills, etc), and even the most minimal effects constitute as a big difference, so that includes the ability to orbit the character's kart in threes and that you obtain it in different positions with different probabilities than you do a single green shell. i don't think character specific items should get their own pages specific to their game appearances though but the fact is that koopa can sometimes get triples as his exclusive in a few games should solidify the point that the games treat triple green shells differently than they do singles. Ray Trace(T|C) 17:09, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
Miscellaneous
None at the moment.