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|'''Proposals''' can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] before any action(s) are done.
*Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!"
*"Vote" periods last for one week.
*All past proposals are [[/Archive|archived]].
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A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code <nowiki>{{User|</nowiki>''User name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>.


This page observes the [[MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy|No-Signature Policy]].
==Writing guidelines==
''None at the moment.''


<h2 style="color:black">How To</h2>
==New features==
#If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and [[MarioWiki:Writing Guideline|Writing Guideline]] proposals ''must'' include a link to the draft page.
===Add parameters for listing related groups to character and species infoboxes===
#Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for Writing Guidelines and Talk Page Proposals, which run for two weeks. ('''All times GMT.''')
Alright, I know the "Affiliation(s)" parameter for these was deprecated many years ago for being [https://www.mariowiki.com/images/2/26/Mario1c.jpg dumb], but hear me out.
#*For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
#Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. Agreeing with or seconding a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted.
#Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may '''not''' remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrators]].
#If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote.
#No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than '''4 weeks''' ('''28 days''') old.
#Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "[[Wikipedia:Quorum|NO QUORUM]]." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
#All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
#If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of '''three''' votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
#Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
#All proposals are archived. The original proposer must '''''take action''''' accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
#Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrator]] at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that cancelled proposals must also be archived.
#If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
#There should not be proposals about creating articles on an underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a [[MarioWiki:PipeProject|PipeProject]].
#Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administration]].
#No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.


<h3 style="color:black">Basic Proposal and Support/Oppose Format</h3>
A few years after [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/31#Remove the "Affiliation" parameter from infoboxes|this proposal]] passed, this wiki added a [[Template:Group infobox|group infobox]] for linking to and listing members, member species, and leaders of a group, similar to how the species infobox lists variants, notable members, etc of the species. Thing is, unlike the character and species infoboxes that are designed to link to each other (character's species/species' notable members, species variants/species variants of, and so on), group infoboxes are a one-way street as it currently stands. So, I propose that parameters be added to these infoboxes so they can list the groups they belong to. And to be clear, this parameter would '''only''' be used for groups, so we get none of that "Mario is 'affiliated' with his brother and sometimes Bowser" nonsense. This has a much more specific purpose. Right now this wiki doesn't really have lists of groups that characters and species belong to, you have to look through all the articles for groups to find that out, so I think these lists would be worth having.
This is an example of what your proposal should look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to <u>replace the whole variable including the squared brackets</u>, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]".
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<nowiki>===[insert a title for your Proposal here]===</nowiki><br>
<nowiki>[describe what issue this Proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the Wiki handles that issue]</nowiki>


<nowiki>'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br></nowiki><br>
I've come up with two options:
<nowiki>'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created, at 23:59 GMT.]</nowiki>
*Option 1: [[Template:Character infobox]] and [[Template:Species infobox]] get a "member of" parameter, which would be used to link to groups they are, well, a member of. [[Goomba]] and the like would link to [[Bowser's Minions]], [[Vivian]] would link to [[Three Shadows]], etc. This parameter would be used to list both memberships and leadership roles (the latter could maybe be distinguished by adding "(leader)" next to the link).
*Option 2: these infoboxes would also get a separate "Leader of" parameter. [[Bowser]] would use this to link to [[Bowser's Minions]], [[King K. Rool]] would use this to link to [[Kremling Krew]], [[Captain Syrup]] would use this to link to [[Black Sugar Gang]], characters and species-characters would link to the [[:Category:baseball teams|baseball teams]] they lead, etc.


<nowiki>====Support====</nowiki><br>
EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, the parameters would be displayed in a two-column list similar to the species infobox parameters, and would only be used for links (e.g. groups that actually have articles, and not just any arbitrary category people come up with).
<nowiki>#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]</nowiki>


<nowiki>====Oppose====</nowiki>
'''Proposer''': {{User|Dive Rocket Launcher}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT


<nowiki>====Comments====</nowiki>
====Option 1====
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#{{User|Dive Rocket Launcher}} First choice per proposal.
Users will now be able to vote on your Proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own Proposal just like the others.


To support, or oppose, just insert "<nowiki>#{{User|[add your username here]}}</nowiki> at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's Proposal. If you are voting on your own Proposal, you can just say "Per my Proposal".
====Option 2====
#{{User|Dive Rocket Launcher}} Second choice per proposal.


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#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Whereas a nice idea in theory, I fear we'll see a repeat of everything that led to the previous iteration of this parameter getting deleted in the first place. Unless there will be heavy patrolling of this parameter, which seems unlike given how widespread the [[Template:Character infobox]] is, I don't trust leaving it to chance that it will be used responsibly and we won't end up with weird things like Mario being "member of" some ridiculous things like "Mario Bros.", or, just as worse, a long, long, exhaustive list of every organization Mario has ever participated in, e.g. [[Excess Express]] passengers, [[Mario Kart 8]] racers (etc., etc.), and so on. Mario is obviously a "worse case" example, but the principles apply to virtually any character who has multiple appearances.  In the [[Goomba]] example that you provided, for instance, not all Goombas are part of Bowser's Minions. What about the Goombas in [[Goomba Village]] or [[Rogueport]] or any of the other various non-Bowser-aligned Goombas. You'd just have to get really, really into the weeds to make specific rules for parameter usage, and it will be a pain to enforce them.
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#{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per DrBaskerville.
 
 
 
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<h2 style="color:black">Talk Page Proposals</h2>
All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the Wiki should still be held on this page.
 
:''For a list of all settled Talk Page Proposals, see [[:Category:Settled Talk Page Proposals|here]].''
 
<h3 style="color:black">How To</h3>
#All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom). All pages affected must be mentioned in the ''brief'' description, with the talk page housing the discussion linked to directly via "({{fakelink|Discuss}})". If the proposal involved a page that is not yet made, use {{tem|fakelink}} to communicate its title. The '''Deadline''' must also be included in the entry. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{tem|TPP}} under the heading.
#All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How To" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
#Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one. ('''All times GMT.''')
#*For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
#Talk page proposals may be closed by the proposer at any time if both the support ''and'' the oppose sides each have fewer than five votes.
#The talk page proposal '''must''' pertain to the article it is posted on.
 
===List of Talk Page Proposals===
*Split Cursed Jar from [[Lucky Jar]] ([[Talk:Lucky Jar|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 4, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Bring Back {{fakelink|Template:Gone}} ([[Template talk:Gone|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Split Pogo Guy from [[Shyster]] ([[Talk:Shyster|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 6, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Make a section of Mario games and their ratings for the [[ESRB]] article ([[Talk:ESRB|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Merge [[Grape Switch]] and [[Pineapple Switch]] to [[Target Switch]] ([[Talk:Target Switch|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 8, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Merge the 7 [[Diamond Star|C]][[Emerald Star|R]][[Gold Star|Y]][[Ruby Star|S]][[Sapphire Star|T]][[Garnet Star|A]][[Crystal Star|L]] Stars into [[Crystal Stars]] ([[Talk:Crystal Stars|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 12, 2011, 23:59 GMT
*Remove info about 3ds on [[Nintendo DS|DS]] page. ([[Talk:Nintendo DS|Discuss]]) '''Deadline''': August 14, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 
==Writing Guidelines==
''None at the moment.
 
==New Features==
===DK Wiki===
Well, I think that there shouldn't be Donkey Kong things here. Why? Beacause its caled Super MARIO wiki, not Super MARIO AND DONKEY KONG Wiki! Right? Yeah, thats right! Another wiki could be made, and it just needs ALOT of copy and pasting. Here, look:<br>
[http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Donkey_Kong_games]<br>
[http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Donkey_Kong_characters]<br>
[http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Donkey_Kong_places]<br>
[http://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Donkey_Kong_allies]<br>
Right?
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Bjdill}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 2, 2011, 23:59 GMT
====Support====
#{{User|Bjdill}} Per my proposal.
#{{User|Kirbyftw28}} That would be awesome. DK has had enough games of his own. He was even an unlockable character in one of the "Punch Out" games. Was Mario? No! DK even has his own category for the SSB series.  Also, DK never appears in any major mario games. So why should he appear on this wiki. MAKE A DONKEY KONG WIKI!
#{{User|Wii Fan}} Per all
#{{User|Mpeng}}Mario and DK started out in the same game, so that should stay, but now ''[[DKCR]]'' has about as much to do with Mario as ''Gran Turismo''.
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} per my comments below and Donkey Kong is a parent series with Mario much like how we cover Yoshi and Wario despite the fact that both of them have branched off into there own franchises so Donkey Kong should be no different. And as Steve and Tucayo said here [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=504b10ae9730aa28976a8ebd2019c205&topic=529.20] we will no change are policy.
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per GS15. Donkey Kong does appear in the Mario series. So we should have DK info on this wiki.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} In the words of Sam Beckett, "oh, boy". In the words of many Wiki users, "Per all". In the words of Homsar, "DaAaAaAaA I'm the human wedgie".
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all and FF65's comment.
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} Fawful summmed up everything I was going to say, so per her.
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} Per FF65.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per GS15's vote and FF65's comment.
#{{User|Zero777}} This is as ridiculous as the Mario Knockoffs proposal, per all. But to be serious or respectful with a reason, there are too many tie-ins and loops in, around, and out of the two characters.
#{{User|Milkshake Reaper}} Per all.
#{{User|Toad85}} Donkey Kong is part of the Mario series, if you hadn't noticed. We can discuss a Donkey Kong wiki if Donkey Kong is also kept in the Mario wiki, and Mario has a place in the Kong wiki. Yoshi and Luigi have their own games, should they have seperate wikis? Of course not, and even if they did, Mario would still be there.
#{{User|Marwikedor}} Um, how about NOOOOOOOO!  Donkey Kong is a MARIO character. Everything that happens in games of his franchise is also canonical to Mario's universe, and must have full coverage. Mario Wiki is not only the world's greatest database for Mario information, it is also the world's greatest database for DK information, Wario information, Luigi, Peach, Waluigi, Daisy information, and every character that exists in his universe.  By the same stupid argument, because Wario has his own franchise he should not be covered here.  Idiotic nonsence!
#{{User|Yoshi's Island}} Per all.
#{{User|M&SG}} - The Super Mario Wiki covers the whole Mario Universe, which includes the Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario series'.
#{{User|Goomblob}} - Isn't right delete something about the Mario universe, because, DK is a Mario character.
#{{User|Phoenix}} According to [[MarioWiki:Coverage]], information about [[Donkey Kong]] is perfectly acceptable on this wiki. I'll admit that I don't know very much about the ''Donkey Kong'' series aside from its periodic convergence with ''[[Mario (series)|Mario]]'' games, but given that [[Mario]]'s first ever appearance was in a ''DK'' game, it wouldn't seem very appropriate to remove all of the ''Donkey Kong'' information from the wiki, even if the presence of the information ''wasn't'' sanctioned by MarioWiki:Coverage.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per all.
#{{User|Damariogamr}} 1. Donkey Kong is a part of the Mario franchise and 2. Isn't there a DK Wiki already?
#{{User|Jjrapper100}} Donkey Kong is part of the mario series he has appeared in a couple of [[Mario (series)|Mario]] games I consider this failed.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} <sarcasm> Sure, let's delete a major chunk of the wiki </sarcasm> Per all.
#{{User|Byllant}} - Per all, if we applied this, otherwise then we would have to remove Smash Bros., Pokémon, Zelda, etc., from our coverage just because they are external to the Super Mario Wiki.
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}} Are you forgetting where Mario came from?This is Mario Wiki,not just Super Mario Bros wiki.It covers everything related to mario.
#{{User|SuperYoshiBros}} Per all. Also, Donkey Kong appears in many Mario games, as well as many of the Kongs. King K. Rool and the Kritters even appeared in [[Mario Super Sluggers]], a '''MARIO''' game, so why shouldn't we have them here?
#{{User|Tails777}} D.K., I believe, is part of the Mario series. In fact, it was both Mario AND '''D.K.''' that started the Mario series and Donkey Kong series. Plus there are a lot of Donkey Kong articles on this wiki, that is a lot of work to delete them all.
#{{User|MasterToad}} On the main page It lists the Nintendo Wikis the 5th one is DK wiki
#{{User|SKmarioman}} There's already a DK wiki. Besides, if this proposal passed, then we'd have to make a Yoshi Wiki and Wario Wiki wouldn't we?
#{{User|SuperLuigiBros.}} Per all. Think back to Donkey Kong in 1981. You could think of it as a Mario game with Donkey Kong, or a Donkey Kong game with Mario. There is NO reason to move all of this info. By the way, there already is a Donkey Kong Wiki, also in NIWA.
#{{User|Super Waluigi}} - YOU CRAZY? HE IS AN OFFICIAL CHARACTER OF TEH Mario series... What? Are we going to say no DK in Mario Kart 64? No so :p.
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} &ndash; Per all
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Per all 29! That is everyone!
#{{User|Morty340}} I, too, oppose the DK wiki.
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Per all. Donkey Kong is a main character of the Mario series, why should we remove info about him?
#{{User|Pdjr9000}} The Donkey Kong Series is a spin-off of the Mario Series. Yes I know there's already a Donkey Kong Wiki in NIWA but this wiki covers the greater Mario Series, including its spin-offs.
#{{user|Mario jc}} Per all.
#{{user|MeritC}} Personal reaction: NNNNOOOO!!!!! Formal reaction: Per all. We seriously do NOT need this. Period.
#{{User|Paper Yoshi}} - Per all. The two series are closely tied together.
#{{User|Cobold}} - We did have a Donkey Kong wiki in the early days of the Super Mario Wiki, and it failed because of lack of activity.
#{{User|EmperorYoshi}} Well, the Donkey Kong series and Mario series are closely tied together, and we cover information on characters in the "Smash Bros." series. Also, Donkey Kong appears in Mario games from time to time, how do you suggest we go about that? I really don't see a reason to create another Wiki and post all the Donkey Kong information there.


====Comments====
====Comments====
[[MarioWiki:Coverage]], [[dkwiki:]]. ಠ_ಠಠಠಠಠಠಠ. +1 delete. {{user|SWFlash}}


Another one of these proposals... There's already a DK Wiki out there, and it has separate information than this Wiki. Mario and Donkey Kong have appeared together in games for ages. Both series are extremely close, and even some characters that started out in the DK series have gone into Mario games, such as Diddy, Dixie, and Funky Kong. Also, the Mario and DK series both started with the original ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'' game, which belongs to both series. Removing information that is fine here will simply downgrade the Mario Wiki, and it will make it inconsistent if we still have Yoshi and Wario game info. More information is [[MarioWiki:Coverage|here]]. {{User|Fawfulfury65}}
==Removals==
:Steve said we will not change are policy on the NIWA forums there was an agreement prior to the DK Wiki joining NIWA that we would not change are policy {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
''None at the moment.''
There are many things I can say about this. One is that we cover all the playable characters in the Smash Bros series. So by the logic of this proposal, we should stop covering all those characters as well because there is already a wiki for them. Second is that Donkey Kong is a major character of the Mario series. Much like Yoshi and Wario, he branched into his own series as well, but he still appears in lots of Mario spin off games. So what I'm saying is that D.K. is a part of the Mario series and should not be removed from this wiki. {{User|Tails777}}
:if so we would have to make a super mario bros super show wiki to. {{User|droctogonapusblah}}
{{User|Mariofan1222}} I don't like that Idea, Thnaks to DK mario exists So U R being bad with Mario you son of a b**ch


I thought Donkey Kong was a Mario game. And why is there name calling? You're only making things worse. >_< {{User|LeftyGreenMario}}
==Changes==
:The game Donkey Kong is both a Mario and a Donkey Kong games {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
===Discourage "([Title] for [system])" disambiguation format when "([Title])" alone is sufficient to identify the subject===
These past months, there have been some remakes that share titles with the games they're remaking. This has led to a few new articles with titles ending with "([Title] for [system])", such as [[Scrapbook (Super Mario RPG for Nintendo Switch)|Scrapbook (''Super Mario RPG'' for Nintendo Switch)]] and [[Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door for Nintendo Switch)|Gold Medal (''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' for Nintendo Switch)]]. However, this long-winded double-disambiguation format is not always strictly necessary, and both of these example articles fall outside of the specific use case [[MarioWiki:NAME]] recommends using this format in. There isn't a Scrapbook in the original ''Super Mario RPG'', and there isn't a Gold Medal in the original ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door''. These are not cases where "two different games share the same title but appear on different consoles and the identifier '''needs''' to distinguish between them" (emphasis added).


:Yeah, I think it's both, too, but I would like to object to the statement, "Donkey Kong is a Donkey Kong game part of the Donkey Kong series!" {{User|LeftyGreenMario}}
I propose a change to the naming policy to explicitly discourage using this disambiguation format in such cases. If the game title alone is enough to specify the subject, including the system in the article title is unnecessary and awkward. Those details belong in the article itself, not the title.
::Let's just say its both and that the Donkey Kong series is a parent series with the Mario series {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}


There already is a Donkey Kong Wiki, so why not just edit that wiki, rather than create a whole new one?
'''Proposer''': {{User|JanMisali}}<br>
'''Deadline''': June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT


{{User|Beecanoe}}
====Support change====
#{{User|JanMisali}} As proposer.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Erring on this for the time being. We get the counter-arguments, but it's usually clear from the article's body itself that the content is exclusive to a given remake of a video game that happens to hold a similar name, and it's not like we even apply these nametags consistently anyways--if a thing has a more specific name that isn't already shared with something else, like [[Hottest Dog]] or [[Goomboss Battle]], we don't append these "<name> for <console>" tags. As it stands, if you ''need'' the title to clarify it's exclusive to a remake, then something's probably wrong in the article itself.
#{{User|Shadow2}} Trim! Trim the excess!
#{{user|MegaBowser64}} Per all. And uh, sorry for accidentally roasting this proposal with my comment lol.
#{{user|Dive Rocket Launcher}} I find it strange that this additional disambiguation is used for version-exclusive content ''only'' if the article already needs a distinguisher. [[Nostalgic Tunes]]'s title doesn't have to clarify that it's exclusive to the TTYD remake specifically, so why does [[Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door for Nintendo Switch)|Gold Medal]] need to? <s>Or maybe we need to go the Nintendo route and call it "Gold Medal in the ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' game for the Nintendo Switch family of systems"</s>
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per all.
#{{User|DrBaskerville}} Per Camwoodstock and Dive Rocket Launcher.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} per all for nintendo switch
#{{User|SeanWheeler}} Better to shorten the titles than to add unnessarily long parentheticals. No need to disambiguate when the subject only appears in one version. The "(<title> for <console>)" parenthetical should only be used for subjects with different pages for each version, like [[100m (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for Wii)]].
<s>#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Per all</s>


Honestly, this proposal would not exist if people pay attention to the [[Main Page]]. All you have to do is read the bottom.    {{User|MasterToad}}
====Oppose change====
 
#{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - "There isn't a Scrapbook in the original Super Mario RPG, and there isn't a Gold Medal in the original Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door" ...that is precisely ''why'' this is needed, or else it's confusing as to why something that isn't in the actual, original game is identified as though it is.
===New rule for images===
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Per Doc. It doesn't make it more clear, it's just confusing because it implies it's in the original game.
As you can see, the PNGs have better quality than JPGs. And I've seen some good quality PNG artwork get replaced with JPGs with worse quality & I think it's best to have images with the best possible quality. So I suggest that we add a new rule. The rule is that we don't allow PNG artwork to be converted to JPGs so that the quality of the images are better.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|BoygeyMario}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 3, 2011,  23:59 GMT
 
====Support====
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per my own proposal. :)
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|YoshiGo99}} I talked to M&SG and he said the file memory can exceed its maximum memory if we convert them to PNG.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Just because an image is a PNG does not make it inherently better in quality than a JPG. There's no need for PNGs where a JPG will do just fine.
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} Per all
#{{User|Walkazo}} - We should use the image that has the better quality. Usually it's a PNG, but sometimes it's a JPG, so saying one is ''always'' preferable to the other is a bad idea: it's better to be flexible and come at these things on a case-by-case basis.
#{{User|Toad85}} Per all, especially Walkazo.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Per all the statements mentioned above.
#{{user|Coincollector}} - Nope. Per everybody here.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Mercury Mech}} - Per all.
#{{User|SuperLuigiBros.}} Per all. We had a proposal a while back about how some pictures look better in JPG and how somg PNG pictures SHOULD be in JPG form.
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} Yes BoygeyDude, but there are reasons...
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} Now that is all of one and one for... ALL!
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} I don't like JPG sprites, but I believe this rule is too inflexible. The main reason people convert PNG to JPG is to save space while making the colors less precise. You can notice the difference if you load a JPG image compared to a PNG image of the same size.
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Uh, no. Per all.


====Comments====
====Comments====
If you look really closely, JPGs have worse quality. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
{{@|Doc von Schmeltwick}} I disagree. "Gold Medal (''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'')" is not a name that implies the subject appears in the GameCube game ''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door''; that would be "Gold Medal (''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'' for Nintendo GameCube)". All the "(''Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door'')" identifier suggests is that the subject appears in ''some'' game with that title. The body of the article can specify which game. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 20:12, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
:Common sense dictates the game title refers to the original, not the George Lucas'd Special Edition (that verbiage may be cruel, but I'll stand by it). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:26, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
::Would you recommend moving [[Switch (Donkey Kong)|Switch (''Donkey Kong'')]] to "Switch (''Donkey Kong'' for Game Boy)" then? Or [[Floor (Mario Bros.)|Floor (''Mario Bros.'')]] to "Floor (''Mario Bros.'' for arcade)"? {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 20:33, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
:::[[Floor (Mario Bros.)]] is a bad example; "Floor (Mario Bros. for arcade)" implies that it ''only'' appears in the arcade original, yet it actually appears in ''all'' versions of ''Mario Bros.'', so it being called just "Floor (Mario Bros.)" is actually justified. {{User:Arend/sig}} 20:45, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
::::But it ''doesn't'' appear in [[Mario Bros. (Game & Watch)|the original]]. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 20:46, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
:::::...the ''lesser known'' one, to the point that its identifier is "(Game & Watch)" instead of simply "(game)" that's attached to the arcade version? I feel like if there were floors in the G&W game, such an article is more likely to be called something like "Floor (Mario Bros. for Game & Watch)" simply for how well-known and widespread the arcade version is in comparison. {{User:Arend/sig}} 20:56, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
::::::Therefore, it is not always reasonable to assume that a title without specifying system always refers to "the original". {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 21:02, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
:::::::My impression of the (<game> for <system>) identifier is to use it when one feature appears in one version of a title, but not in another version (or is different in another version), and when it's identical in both versions (or multiple versions), just (<game>) may be used as normal. [[Special:Diff/4035332|this revision]] justifies the (<game> for <system>) for consistency with article such as [[100m (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games for Nintendo 3DS)]] - which would have to have such a name because [[100m (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games for Wii U)]] also exists. This kind of identifier is also used after [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Rename pages with the full Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars title|this proposal]] has passed in which to opt out the (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) identifier in favor of the shorter (Super Mario RPG) one, since the remake is simply called "Super Mario RPG" and enemies with the (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) identifier clearly appear in both games; with (Super Mario RPG for Nintendo Switch) being used for features that weren't in the SNES original, and presumably using (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) for features that weren't in the Switch remake. {{User:Arend/sig}} 21:20, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
::::::::Yes, that does appear to be the current way it's being used. The premise of this proposal is to discourage this in cases where it's not strictly necessary, as it makes the article titles longer and less convenient for little to no benefit. This practice of specifying that a subject is exclusive to a later game isn't used consistently anyway (see [[Switch (Donkey Kong)|Switch (''Donkey Kong'')]]), and as the proposal states it falls outside the use case that [[MarioWiki:NAME]] recommends using this format in. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 09:00, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
:::::That ignores that the arcade one was ''in development'' first, the G&W one just beat it to the release punch on account of being simpler to program and manufacture. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:12, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
::::::Do you have a source for that? If so, you should put that source on the ''Mario Bros.'' (game) article. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 09:21, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
:::::::Considering it's been repeatedly said Miyamoto created Luigi for the arcade game and the G&W games were created without his involvement, it seems pretty self-explanatory. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:22, June 3, 2024 (EDT)


Yes that is true. Not all the images start with PNG. If we convert them their memory can go past the maximum memory which is bad. We have to keep some images JPG so their memory won't overload. Sprites we can convert to PNG cuz the are small.{{User|YoshiGo99}}
Only tangentially related, but why ''are'' the three [[Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door for Nintendo Switch)|Gold]] [[Gold Medal (Super Paper Mario)|Medal]] [[Gold Medal (Yoshi Topsy-Turvy)|items]] split anyways? Sure, they all function differently, but it seems like a fairly generic concept all things considered, and we don't split articles like [[Apple]]s just because they happen to work differently across games. And then [[Medal]] is ''also'' split up even further, but makes no mention of Gold Medals? {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 20:52, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
:'''@BoygeyMario''': Even if that is the case in some instances, it's not something with which everyday readers are going to be concerned. {{User|Mario4Ever}}
:Have badges ever been merged with other items? As far as I can tell, basically every badge from the first two games has its own article, even ones that are clearly related to and similar to items in other games ([[Power Plus (badge)]] and [[Power Plus (Super Paper Mario)]] for example). [[File:Modern Rocky Wrench SM-k.png|35px|link=]] [[User:Dive Rocket Launcher|Dive]] [[User talk:Dive Rocket Launcher|Rocket]] [[Special:Contributions/Dive Rocket Launcher|Launcher]] 02:16, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
::This reminds me to back when [[Talk:Cog (obstacle)#Merge Cog (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!) and Cog (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) into this page and move to "Cog"|this failed proposal]] tried to merge [[Cog (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!)]] and [[Cog (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)]] to [[Cog (obstacle)]], even though the former two are collectables and the latter one is an obstacle or platform. I had suggested in my oppose vote to merge the former two in a new article "{{Fake link|Cog (item)}}" instead (which I stand by after finding out there's [[Gear Up|a mission]] in ''[[Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon]]'' where gears had to be collected, which would also fit perfectly for a potential "Cog (item)" page), but proposer Super Mario RPG never added an option for such a thing despite many others agreeing that it would be a good idea. {{User:Arend/sig}} 12:30, June 3, 2024 (EDT)


::Look, I didn't say we're gonna get rid of all JPGs. We just need to keep PNGs for their good quality. {{User|BoygeyMario}}
<s>This might just be the most unanimously opposed proposal in Mario Wiki history. No offense to the proposer or anything, but no matter how good this sounded in their head, it would never work out in real life.</s> [[File:Bowsersm64.png|33px]] [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) [[File:BowserNSMBU.png|35px]] 19:36, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
 
: ??? Did you mean to post this on the above proposal? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 23:09, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
@BoygeyMario: There's a 10 MB limit for the files we can upload.  While PNG is better than JPG, it uses more memory, which is a major flaw when you want to upload very large images. {{User|M&SG}}
::Uh, yeah. Whoops. [[File:Bowsersm64.png|33px]] [[User:MegaBowser64|MegaBowser64]] ([[User talk:MegaBowser64|talk]]) [[File:BowserNSMBU.png|35px]] 10:25, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
 
:::We couldn't find if the "rename the wiki" proposal is the proposal with the most opposes, but we can tell you right now [[Talk:Alien (Club Nintendo)#ANTI-ALIEN ALARM!!! (Delete this article)|it'll ''never'' have the most opposition by percentage]]! {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 13:54, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
...isn't this similar to the PNG Images proposal that just happened? Or it could lead to the problem that it dealt with. {{User|Rise Up Above It}}
::::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/66#Forbid the use of images without captioning them|You sure there aren't better options?]] {{User:Arend/sig}} 18:59, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
 
:::::We'd argue that the Alien (Club Nintendo) example is funnier just because we opposed it out of the gate despite ''being the creator of the proposal'', whereas the Images proposal lost its vote via means of retracting it after having been talked out of it. The latter at least had (past tense) a vote--the former had none, ever. ;P {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 20:22, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
==Removals==
::::::I don't think [[Talk:Toad Brigade#TPP: Toad Brigade in SMS or not?|this one]] ever had a supporting vote either. {{User:Dive Rocket Launcher/sig}} 20:49, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
===Delete the Following===
:::::::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Include physical appearance in an infobox|This]] is another example. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:57, June 5, 2024 (EDT)
*[[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users]]
*[[MarioWiki:Autopatrolled users]]
*[[MarioWiki:Bots]]
*[[MarioWiki:Bureaucrats]]
*[[MarioWiki:Patrollers]]
*[[MarioWiki:Proprietor]]
*[[MarioWiki:Vandalism]]
*[[MarioWiki:Users]]
*[[MarioWiki:Trolls]]
 
All these pages are rather hidden and very unneeded; for example, the troll page is unnecessary because users will figure out what is a troll if they never heard of one, I have. I stumble across all these pages when I typed down in the search "How can I be an admin?" and it was in a pile of search results, AFTER I tweak the search options a bit.
 
I suggest to copy, paste, and alter the information into Userpedia.
 
A few of those pages have a list of questions, so in this proposal, it proposes to move those questions to the FAQ page.
 
A few of them have a link to the list of current admins, sysops, bureaucrats, etc. I propose to move those links into the welcome letter every user now gets for easy access just in case of a situation of sorts.
 
'''Note:''' For all you opposers, what do you propose to do with these pages about the part that they are hidden?
 
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Zero777}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' August 5, 2011, 23:59 GMT
 
====Support====
#{{User|Zero777}} Per proposal
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|Walkazo}} - All the pages have the potential to be informative (like [[MarioWiki:Autoconfirmed users]]). Why force people to dig through the FAQ when we can have specific pages they can go to? Having lots of pages link to the lists is better than just the Welcome letter, which some people never really pay much attention to (I've seen lots of people simply remove it). The wiki's policy pages are largely a work in progress: it's better to let the admins deal with them, rather than ''forcing'' things to happen with a Proposal. And whatever happens, linking to Userpedia for basic information about how the wiki is set up is a VERY bad idea: we're running the risk of dealing with fanon-strewn pages like [[userpedia:Sysop|this]], whereas we can ensure that our pages are professional and authoritative.
#{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}} per Walkazo
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Walkazo.
#{{User|Phoenix}} None of the above pages are really unneeded: they're there for a reason, and each one of them serves a purpose. If and when (new) users need information on certain things, it's important that we have pages where they can go to find out what they need to know quickly and easily. Saying that users will be able to figure something out on their own is not really a good reason to delete them. While that may be true for some, it may not necessarily be true for others, and a new user who may never have used a wiki before in their life shouldn't have to witness their talk page being mercilessly vandalized by a troll to figure out what one is if the same end result can be achieved by reading a page about trolls instead.
#{{User|Superfiremario}} Per Walkazo and Phoenix.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Those pages exist to help users know what their status abilities are. After all, if any user gets promoted to an administrator ranked status (Patroller, Sysop, Bureaucrat), that user has to follow ALL the rules, regardless of experience.
#{{User|BoygeyMario}} Per All!
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} I fear using my <sarcasm> thing twice in two minutes will be frowned upon, so I will just say Per all.
#{{User|Lindsay151}} They're there for an exact reason. Per all
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} &ndash; To quote somebody, "This is as ridiculous as the Mario Knockoffs proposal, per all." Also, '''stop suggesting we move things to Userpedia'''. That comment is directed at everybody. The Userpedia staff should be consulted on anything of that sort, and the suggestion is haphazardly thrown around without a bit of thought behind what Userpedia is going through, how much Userpedia is trying to fix up, and how ridiculous dumping stuff from here is. And we need these pages anyway, so yeah.
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} - Per all, mostly Walkazo and SMB. Userpedia isn't just a dump for this information.
#{{User|Not Bugsy}} - Per all. You never know when a user might need these pages, so it's best to have these on hand.
#{{User|Toad85}} - Per Walkazo, Phoenix, and SMB
#{{User|Lakituthequick}} - Why should we? When I was new, these pages informed me really. Per all.
#{{User|Mario Bros.!}} &ndash;Per absolutely everyone
#{{User|Reddragon19k}} I'll agree! That's per all fifteen!
#{{User|Smasher 101}} Per all.
#{{User|MeritC}} Forgive me if I'm sounding crazy on this vote, but if this gets removed, it's going to do nothing but create a WHOLE LOT OF CONFUSION about which users belong to which group. The layout we have here is fine as it is. So IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED. Period.
 
====Comment====
Access to the current lists of patrollers and sysops is in the welcome message already. {{User|Mario4Ever}}
 
:The deadline was wrong. Wrong day, wrong time. - {{User|Walkazo}}
 
'''@Walkazo:''' The FAQ page isn't that big, so users can go there and see the question they are looking for if we put the correct title on it. As mentioned, the list is there in the welcome letter, but if it isn't there is no problem in doing so. If the staff really believe this is for the worst and will be ''unconstitutional'' for this proposal to pass, they can remove with a reason. And I suggested to move the words (copy and paste) in the page and move it to the respectful article. I checked out the articles and there won't be a problem because the info has been separated by paragraph that one can obviously tell which one is the real informative one and which paragraph is fanon. {{User|Zero777}}
:They're not hidden. In the case of new users, they're easily accessible via the welcome message (which I'm sure doesn't get deleted at least without being read). Say a user wants to ask a sysop something. He or she clicks the link in the welcome message and is directed to a list of sysops. If he or she does not know what a sysop is, he or she clicks the word ''sysop'' next to the name of a user and is directed to MarioWiki:Administrators, from which most of the other pages can be accessed in the "See Also" section. Alternatively, a user can become familiar enough with one or more users to ask for any information that he or she cannot find on his or her own. It's better to let users ask for help than to force them to find such information such as is in these pages by coincidence and not understand it. {{User|Mario4Ever}}
::You know that the MarioWiki:Admin page doesn't have a list of Sysops, it has a link which redirects to a list that look similar to a watchlist. And everyone else, stop saying that I am ''dumping'', like trash dumping, info into the Userpedia, the respectful articles are barely edit with and the info present in these pages can massively help those individual articles. But really, how can we ''advertise'' these pages more because I don't think the Welcome letter will cut it as Walkazo said. {{User|Zero777}}
:::We can link to them whenever the terms come up on MarioWiki and Help pages, like how we link to articles on the wiki. For example, MW:Admins is linked to on this page and both the [[MarioWiki:Blocking Policy|blocking]] and [[MarioWiki:Warning Policy|warning]] policy pages (and the latter also links to the lists of Sysops and Patrollers, as does [[MarioWiki:Courtesy]]). Pertaining to your earlier comment, the questions are only extra content anyway: the main point of the pages is the information - information that users should not have to go to another website to find. Userpedia may be about the users of this wiki, but it is not officially affiliated with us and we do not, and should never, rely on it for anything, least of all administrative material. As for the prospect of the admins forcibly removing the proposal, we'd only do that as a last resort: as explained [[MarioWiki talk:Proposals#New Rule|here]], if something we're not keen on can still be voted down by the community as a whole, we'd rather let the proposal run its course and give ''everyone'' a chance to have their say. - {{User|Walkazo}}
 
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Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), the removal of previously-added features that have tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action is taken.
  • "Vote" periods last for one week.
  • Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so (not, e.g., "I like this idea!").
  • All proposals must be approved by a majority of voters, including proposals with more than two options.
  • For past proposals, see the proposal archive and the talk page proposal archive.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{User|User name}}.

How to

Rules

  1. If users have an idea about improving the wiki or managing its community, but feel that they need community approval before acting upon that idea, they may make a proposal about it. They must have a strong argument supporting their idea and be willing to discuss it in detail with the other users, who will then vote about whether or not they think the idea should be used. Proposals should include links to all relevant pages and writing guidelines. Proposals must include a link to the draft page. Any pages that would be largely affected by the proposal should be marked with {{proposal notice}}.
  2. Only registered, autoconfirmed users can create, comment in, or vote on proposals and talk page proposals. Users may vote for more than one option, but they may not vote for every option available.
  3. Proposals end at the end of the day (23:59) one week after voting starts, except for writing guidelines and talk page proposals, which run for two weeks (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, the voting starts immediately and the deadline is one week later on Monday, August 8, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. Every vote should have a strong, sensible reason accompanying it. Agreeing with a previously mentioned reason given by another user is accepted (including "per" votes), but tangential comments, heavy sarcasm, and other misleading or irrelevant quips are just as invalid as providing no reason at all.
  5. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. Voters can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another user's vote lies solely with the administrators.
    • Users can also use the comments section to bring up any concerns or mistakes in regards to the proposal itself. In such cases, it's important the proposer addresses any concerns raised as soon as possible. Even if the supporting side might be winning by a wide margin, that should be no reason for such questions to be left unanswered. They may point out any missing details that might have been overlooked by the proposer, so it's a good idea as the proposer to check them frequently to achieve the most accurate outcome possible.
  6. If a user makes a vote and is subsequently blocked for any amount of time, their vote is removed. However, if the block ends before the proposal ends, then the user in question holds the right to re-cast their vote. If a proposer is blocked, their vote is removed and "(banned)" is added next to their name in the "Proposer:" line of the proposal, which runs until its deadline as normal. If the proposal passes, it falls to the supporters of the idea to enact any changes in a timely manner.
  7. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
  8. Any proposal where none of the options have at least four votes will be extended for another week. If after three extensions, no options have at least four votes, the proposal will be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
  9. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week. Proposals with more than two options must also be extended another week if any single option does not have a majority support: i.e. more than half of the total number of voters must appear in a single voting option, rather than one option simply having more votes than the other options.
  10. If a proposal with only two voting options has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail with a margin of at least three votes, otherwise the deadline will be extended for another week as if no majority was reached at all.
  11. Proposals can only be extended up to three times. If a consensus has not been reached by the fourth deadline, the proposal fails and can only be re-proposed after four weeks, at the earliest.
  12. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of an administrator, the proposer can ask for that help.
  13. If the administrators deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
  14. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation (six days for talk page proposals). However, proposers can request that their proposal be deleted by an administrator at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it. Please note that canceled proposals must also be archived.
  15. Unless there is major disagreement about whether certain content should be included, there should not be proposals about creating, expanding, rewriting or otherwise fixing up pages. To organize efforts about improving articles on neglected or completely missing subjects, try setting up a collaboration thread on the forums.
  16. Proposals cannot be made about promotions and demotions. Users can only be promoted and demoted by the will of the administration.
  17. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.
  18. Proposals must have a status quo option (e.g. Oppose, Do nothing) unless the status quo itself violates policy.

Basic proposal and support/oppose format

This is an example of what your proposal must look like, if you want it to be acknowledged. If you are inexperienced or unsure how to set up this format, simply copy the following and paste it into the fitting section. Then replace the [subject] - variables with information to customize your proposal, so it says what you wish. If you insert the information, be sure to replace the whole variable including the squared brackets, so "[insert info here]" becomes "This is the inserted information", not "[This is the inserted information]". Proposals presenting multiple alternative courses of action can have more than two voting options, but what each voting section is supporting must be clearly defined. Such options should also be kept to a minimum, and if something comes up in the comments, the proposal can be amended as necessary.

===[insert a title for your proposal here]===
[describe what issue this proposal is about and what changes you think should be made to improve how the wiki handles that issue]

'''Proposer''': {{User|[enter your username here]}}<br>
'''Deadline''': [insert a deadline here, 7 days after the proposal was created (14 for writing guidelines and talk page proposals), at 23:59 GMT, in the format: "June 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT"]

====Support====
#{{User|[enter your username here]}} [make a statement indicating that you support your proposal]

====Oppose====

====Comments====

Users will now be able to vote on your proposal, until the set deadline is reached. Remember, you are a user as well, so you can vote on your own proposal just like the others.

To support, or oppose, just insert "#{{User|[add your username here]}}" at the bottom of the section of your choice. Just don't forget to add a valid reason for your vote behind that tag if you are voting on another user's proposal. If you are voting on your own proposal, you can just say "Per my proposal".

Talk page proposals

All proposals dealing with a single article or a specific group of articles are held on the talk page of one of the articles in question. Proposals dealing with massive amounts of splits, merges or deletions across the wiki should still be held on this page.

For a list of all settled talk page proposals, see MarioWiki:Proposals/TPP archive and Category:Settled talk page proposals.

Rules

  1. All active talk page proposals must be listed below in chronological order (new proposals go at the bottom) using {{TPP discuss}}. Include a brief description of the proposal while also mentioning any pages affected by it, a link to the talk page housing the discussion, and the deadline. If the proposal involves a page that is not yet made, use {{fake link}} to communicate its title in the description. Linking to pages not directly involved in the talk page proposal is not recommended, as it clutters the list with unnecessary links. Place {{TPP}} under the section's header, and once the proposal is over, replace the template with {{settled TPP}}.
  2. All rules for talk page proposals are the same as mainspace proposals (see the "How to" section above), with the exceptions made by Rules 3 and 4 as follows:
  3. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one (all times GMT).
    • For example, if a proposal is added at any time on Monday, August 1, 2011, it ends two weeks later on Monday, August 15, 2011, at 23:59 GMT.
  4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on.
  5. When a talk page proposal passes, it should be removed from this list and included in the list under the "Unimplemented proposals" section until the proposed changes have been enacted.

List of ongoing talk page proposals

Unimplemented proposals

Proposals

Split Mario Kart Tour character variants into list articles, Tails777 (ended May 4, 2022)
Establish a standard for long course listings in articles for characters/enemies/items/etc., Koopa con Carne (ended June 8, 2023)
Add tabbers to race/battle course articles, GuntherBB (ended November 18, 2023)
Merge Super Mario Bros. (film) subjects with their game counterparts, JanMisali (ended April 18, 2024)
Remove profiles and certain other content related to the Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia from the wiki, Koopa con Carne (ended April 30, 2024)
Break alphabetical order in enemy lists to list enemy variants below their base form, EvieMaybe (ended May 21, 2024)
Consider "humorous" and other related terms as frequently misused in MarioWiki:Good writing, DrippingYellow (ended May 26, 2024)
  • ^Note: Requires action from admins.

Talk page proposals

Split all the clothing, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 12, 2021)
Split machine parts, Robo-Rabbit, and flag from Super Duel Mode, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended September 30, 2022)
Add product IDs in game infoboxes, Windy (ended March 18, 2023)
Convert the lists of episode appearances for television series characters into categories, Camwoodstock (ended November 22, 2023)
Make bestiary list pages for the Minion Quest and Bowser Jr.'s Journey modes, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended January 11, 2024)
Split Mario's Time Machine (Nintendo Entertainment System), or the Super Nintendo Entertainment version along with both console versions of Mario is Missing!, LinkTheLefty (ended April 11, 2024)
Remove non-Super Mario content from Super Smash Bros. series challenges articles, BMfan08 (ended May 3, 2024)
Split Cheep Blimp (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) and Zeeppelin from the blimp page, Doc von Schmeltwick (ended May 28, 2024)

Writing guidelines

None at the moment.

New features

Add parameters for listing related groups to character and species infoboxes

Alright, I know the "Affiliation(s)" parameter for these was deprecated many years ago for being dumb, but hear me out.

A few years after this proposal passed, this wiki added a group infobox for linking to and listing members, member species, and leaders of a group, similar to how the species infobox lists variants, notable members, etc of the species. Thing is, unlike the character and species infoboxes that are designed to link to each other (character's species/species' notable members, species variants/species variants of, and so on), group infoboxes are a one-way street as it currently stands. So, I propose that parameters be added to these infoboxes so they can list the groups they belong to. And to be clear, this parameter would only be used for groups, so we get none of that "Mario is 'affiliated' with his brother and sometimes Bowser" nonsense. This has a much more specific purpose. Right now this wiki doesn't really have lists of groups that characters and species belong to, you have to look through all the articles for groups to find that out, so I think these lists would be worth having.

I've come up with two options:

EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, the parameters would be displayed in a two-column list similar to the species infobox parameters, and would only be used for links (e.g. groups that actually have articles, and not just any arbitrary category people come up with).

Proposer: Dive Rocket Launcher (talk)
Deadline: June 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Option 1

  1. Dive Rocket Launcher (talk) First choice per proposal.

Option 2

  1. Dive Rocket Launcher (talk) Second choice per proposal.

Do nothing

  1. DrBaskerville (talk) Whereas a nice idea in theory, I fear we'll see a repeat of everything that led to the previous iteration of this parameter getting deleted in the first place. Unless there will be heavy patrolling of this parameter, which seems unlike given how widespread the Template:Character infobox is, I don't trust leaving it to chance that it will be used responsibly and we won't end up with weird things like Mario being "member of" some ridiculous things like "Mario Bros.", or, just as worse, a long, long, exhaustive list of every organization Mario has ever participated in, e.g. Excess Express passengers, Mario Kart 8 racers (etc., etc.), and so on. Mario is obviously a "worse case" example, but the principles apply to virtually any character who has multiple appearances. In the Goomba example that you provided, for instance, not all Goombas are part of Bowser's Minions. What about the Goombas in Goomba Village or Rogueport or any of the other various non-Bowser-aligned Goombas. You'd just have to get really, really into the weeds to make specific rules for parameter usage, and it will be a pain to enforce them.
  2. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per DrBaskerville.

Comments

Removals

None at the moment.

Changes

Discourage "([Title] for [system])" disambiguation format when "([Title])" alone is sufficient to identify the subject

These past months, there have been some remakes that share titles with the games they're remaking. This has led to a few new articles with titles ending with "([Title] for [system])", such as Scrapbook (Super Mario RPG for Nintendo Switch) and Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door for Nintendo Switch). However, this long-winded double-disambiguation format is not always strictly necessary, and both of these example articles fall outside of the specific use case MarioWiki:NAME recommends using this format in. There isn't a Scrapbook in the original Super Mario RPG, and there isn't a Gold Medal in the original Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. These are not cases where "two different games share the same title but appear on different consoles and the identifier needs to distinguish between them" (emphasis added).

I propose a change to the naming policy to explicitly discourage using this disambiguation format in such cases. If the game title alone is enough to specify the subject, including the system in the article title is unnecessary and awkward. Those details belong in the article itself, not the title.

Proposer: JanMisali (talk)
Deadline: June 9, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support change

  1. JanMisali (talk) As proposer.
  2. Camwoodstock (talk) Erring on this for the time being. We get the counter-arguments, but it's usually clear from the article's body itself that the content is exclusive to a given remake of a video game that happens to hold a similar name, and it's not like we even apply these nametags consistently anyways--if a thing has a more specific name that isn't already shared with something else, like Hottest Dog or Goomboss Battle, we don't append these "<name> for <console>" tags. As it stands, if you need the title to clarify it's exclusive to a remake, then something's probably wrong in the article itself.
  3. Shadow2 (talk) Trim! Trim the excess!
  4. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per all. And uh, sorry for accidentally roasting this proposal with my comment lol.
  5. Dive Rocket Launcher (talk) I find it strange that this additional disambiguation is used for version-exclusive content only if the article already needs a distinguisher. Nostalgic Tunes's title doesn't have to clarify that it's exclusive to the TTYD remake specifically, so why does Gold Medal need to? Or maybe we need to go the Nintendo route and call it "Gold Medal in the Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door game for the Nintendo Switch family of systems"
  6. Jdtendo (talk) Per all.
  7. DrBaskerville (talk) Per Camwoodstock and Dive Rocket Launcher.
  8. EvieMaybe (talk) per all for nintendo switch
  9. SeanWheeler (talk) Better to shorten the titles than to add unnessarily long parentheticals. No need to disambiguate when the subject only appears in one version. The "(<title> for <console>)" parenthetical should only be used for subjects with different pages for each version, like 100m (Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games for Wii).

#Super Mario RPG (talk) Per all

Oppose change

  1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - "There isn't a Scrapbook in the original Super Mario RPG, and there isn't a Gold Medal in the original Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door" ...that is precisely why this is needed, or else it's confusing as to why something that isn't in the actual, original game is identified as though it is.
  2. Scrooge200 (talk) Per Doc. It doesn't make it more clear, it's just confusing because it implies it's in the original game.

Comments

@Doc von Schmeltwick I disagree. "Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)" is not a name that implies the subject appears in the GameCube game Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door; that would be "Gold Medal (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door for Nintendo GameCube)". All the "(Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door)" identifier suggests is that the subject appears in some game with that title. The body of the article can specify which game. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 20:12, June 2, 2024 (EDT)

Common sense dictates the game title refers to the original, not the George Lucas'd Special Edition (that verbiage may be cruel, but I'll stand by it). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 20:26, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
Would you recommend moving Switch (Donkey Kong) to "Switch (Donkey Kong for Game Boy)" then? Or Floor (Mario Bros.) to "Floor (Mario Bros. for arcade)"? jan Misali (talk · contributions) 20:33, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
Floor (Mario Bros.) is a bad example; "Floor (Mario Bros. for arcade)" implies that it only appears in the arcade original, yet it actually appears in all versions of Mario Bros., so it being called just "Floor (Mario Bros.)" is actually justified. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 20:45, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
But it doesn't appear in the original. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 20:46, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
...the lesser known one, to the point that its identifier is "(Game & Watch)" instead of simply "(game)" that's attached to the arcade version? I feel like if there were floors in the G&W game, such an article is more likely to be called something like "Floor (Mario Bros. for Game & Watch)" simply for how well-known and widespread the arcade version is in comparison. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 20:56, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
Therefore, it is not always reasonable to assume that a title without specifying system always refers to "the original". jan Misali (talk · contributions) 21:02, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
My impression of the (<game> for <system>) identifier is to use it when one feature appears in one version of a title, but not in another version (or is different in another version), and when it's identical in both versions (or multiple versions), just (<game>) may be used as normal. this revision justifies the (<game> for <system>) for consistency with article such as 100m (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games for Nintendo 3DS) - which would have to have such a name because 100m (Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games for Wii U) also exists. This kind of identifier is also used after this proposal has passed in which to opt out the (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) identifier in favor of the shorter (Super Mario RPG) one, since the remake is simply called "Super Mario RPG" and enemies with the (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) identifier clearly appear in both games; with (Super Mario RPG for Nintendo Switch) being used for features that weren't in the SNES original, and presumably using (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) for features that weren't in the Switch remake. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 21:20, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
Yes, that does appear to be the current way it's being used. The premise of this proposal is to discourage this in cases where it's not strictly necessary, as it makes the article titles longer and less convenient for little to no benefit. This practice of specifying that a subject is exclusive to a later game isn't used consistently anyway (see Switch (Donkey Kong)), and as the proposal states it falls outside the use case that MarioWiki:NAME recommends using this format in. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 09:00, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
That ignores that the arcade one was in development first, the G&W one just beat it to the release punch on account of being simpler to program and manufacture. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 23:12, June 2, 2024 (EDT)
Do you have a source for that? If so, you should put that source on the Mario Bros. (game) article. jan Misali (talk · contributions) 09:21, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
Considering it's been repeatedly said Miyamoto created Luigi for the arcade game and the G&W games were created without his involvement, it seems pretty self-explanatory. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 10:22, June 3, 2024 (EDT)

Only tangentially related, but why are the three Gold Medal items split anyways? Sure, they all function differently, but it seems like a fairly generic concept all things considered, and we don't split articles like Apples just because they happen to work differently across games. And then Medal is also split up even further, but makes no mention of Gold Medals? ~Camwoodstock (talk) 20:52, June 2, 2024 (EDT)

Have badges ever been merged with other items? As far as I can tell, basically every badge from the first two games has its own article, even ones that are clearly related to and similar to items in other games (Power Plus (badge) and Power Plus (Super Paper Mario) for example). A Rocky Wrench in volume 45 of Super Mario-kun Dive Rocket Launcher 02:16, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
This reminds me to back when this failed proposal tried to merge Cog (Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!) and Cog (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door) to Cog (obstacle), even though the former two are collectables and the latter one is an obstacle or platform. I had suggested in my oppose vote to merge the former two in a new article "Cog (item)" instead (which I stand by after finding out there's a mission in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon where gears had to be collected, which would also fit perfectly for a potential "Cog (item)" page), but proposer Super Mario RPG never added an option for such a thing despite many others agreeing that it would be a good idea. ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 12:30, June 3, 2024 (EDT)

This might just be the most unanimously opposed proposal in Mario Wiki history. No offense to the proposer or anything, but no matter how good this sounded in their head, it would never work out in real life. Super Mario 64 promotional artwork MegaBowser64 (talk) Artwork of Bowser in New Super Mario Bros. U 19:36, June 3, 2024 (EDT)

??? Did you mean to post this on the above proposal? Shadow2 (talk) 23:09, June 3, 2024 (EDT)
Uh, yeah. Whoops. Super Mario 64 promotional artwork MegaBowser64 (talk) Artwork of Bowser in New Super Mario Bros. U 10:25, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
We couldn't find if the "rename the wiki" proposal is the proposal with the most opposes, but we can tell you right now it'll never have the most opposition by percentage! ~Camwoodstock (talk) 13:54, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
You sure there aren't better options? ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 18:59, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
We'd argue that the Alien (Club Nintendo) example is funnier just because we opposed it out of the gate despite being the creator of the proposal, whereas the Images proposal lost its vote via means of retracting it after having been talked out of it. The latter at least had (past tense) a vote--the former had none, ever. ;P ~Camwoodstock (talk) 20:22, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
I don't think this one ever had a supporting vote either. I need more wrenches... Dive Rocket Launcher 20:49, June 4, 2024 (EDT)
This is another example. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 02:57, June 5, 2024 (EDT)

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