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 == RE: Hemispheres and equinoxes ==
-{{tem|released}} has one for Brazil if that's what you're asking, though I don't think a date has been released for ''M&S2020'' for that region. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:03, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
+{{tem|release}} has one for Brazil if that's what you're asking, though I don't think a date has been released for ''M&S2020'' for that region. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:03, March 31, 2019 (EDT)
 == Re: Spike Top and Red Spike Top ==
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 ::::::::::::::::Well, Porky or no Pokey, Mister Wu got back to me about ''Yoshi's Island DS'' and it seems that, going off audio files so far, the game does definitively consider it to be BakuBaku... I can't think of anything else possibly of interest to check at this point. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:45, September 27, 2019 (EDT)
 :::::::::::::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGYgfUHr77Y&t=42s The in-game cast roll] identifies it as Cheep Cheep, but it (and [[Cheep Cheep#Mario Party|''Mario Party'']], somewhat) does show that Boss Bass behavior is loose. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:30, October 11, 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::::Good point. I think it's safe to take it as regular Cheep Cheep, which would make it more in line with the other Star Holes being more traditional. I guess we can consider the in-game one to be Cheep Cheep as well, with Bubba as the one that is off-model. The Cheep Cheep of this game only appears in one size anyway. Meanwhile, I think we can also consider the original Banshee Boardwalk fish to be Big Cheep Cheep until we figure out the Boss Bass / Big Cheep Cheep / Cheep Chomp situation. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:14, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+:::::::::::::::::::I found text for them [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkN3VntCzg here] and (partially) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDntcUbva9M here] - looks like they're still called Cheep Cheeps. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)
+Well, きな modifies 大 slightly, so leaving it as "big" like ''dai'' and ''deka'' doesn't look right to me (though I was also thinking of changing the translation of ''dai'' to a synonym as well so some translation boxes don't look as redundant). Specifically, I go with "large" because the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' filename for 「大きなファイアバー」 (''Ōkina Faiabā'', Huge Fire Bar) is <tt>firebar_L</tt>. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)
+I just noticed that the ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' filename for 「大きなレンガブロック」 (''Ōkina Renga Burokku'', Big Block) is <tt>big_renga_block</tt>, so if you feel like ''ōkina'' should match ''dai'' and ''deka'', you can go ahead and change it back, and we can consider ''kyodai'' to be the exception. On the topic of the Cheep Cheeps - another way of looking at things is that all three articles already have merges, with Boss Bass & Big Bertha, ''64''/''Golf'' Bubba & Cheep Chomp, and ''Yoshi's Story'' Blurp having both Red Blurp & Blue Blurp. Part of the reason for the latter is because Red Blurp is too similar to Boss Bass by itself, and keeping it with Blue Blurp provides an easy way to distinguish it. Any more now and I think we will risk pushing buttons, especially since there are also some considerations brought up for a Boss Bass / Cheep Chomp merge instead of it being clear-cut Boss Bass / Big Cheep Cheep / Blurp. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:28, November 7, 2019 (EST)
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 :::I'll think it over some more when my mind is clearer and get back to you. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:22, November 2, 2019 (EDT)
 ::::...Yeah, that was one of my problems for today... {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:48, November 2, 2019 (EDT)
+I don't have anything to say about the two sharing the same name in Japanese, however the English localizers likely gave them different names because of their actions. That's just speculation on my part, but as a game developer myself, that makes total sense to me. Doesn't look like they took the same route for the Cheep Cheep, which also makes sense. I can't justify their actions, and I'm not denying they share a Japanese name, but the naming thing was probably just completely arbitrary for English. This is for both Big Bertha and Big Cheep Cheep.<br>
+Name aside, can you tell me when Big Cheep Cheeps and Boss Basses have shared the same attacks? Because I've never seen them use the same moves. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:57, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+:Alright, fair enough, I don't know why they didn't just use [[Cheep Chomp#Super Mario 64 / Super Mario 64 DS|Cheep Chomp from ''Super Mario 64'']]. Still, those are spin-off titles, where characters tend to act differently than they normally would in the main games. That's not really a solid connection. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:10, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+::"Most things are spinoffs"
+::...I think you are trying way too hard here to justify merging obviously different entities based on their shared Japanese name. Also, you said this about ''Sunshine'' yourself: "the statement is that all SMS enemies are mad(e) from goop." Which would mean that they might not share the same traits as their regular counterparts and be completely different subjects. This would include the Cheep Cheep that tries to eat Mario, as no other regular sized Cheep Cheep has been shown to do that. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:15, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+:::I don't know what more I can add to this conversation that I haven't already said. The English names are different, the appearances are different, and eating the player character is not an action that is commonly associated with basic Cheep Cheeps, no matter the size. The ''Yoshi's Story'' point I think is true, I'm pretty sure it's regarded as a main title within the ''Yoshi's Island'' series. I'm on the fence about Blurp, but it's a no for me about Boss Bass. I think if these articles were merged together, it'd be a messy article trying to cover multiple subjects that can stand on their own. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 01:01, November 4, 2019 (EST)
+::::I can read things just fine, I like the background :^)
+::::Okay, but Big Cheep Cheeps aren't shown to spit their offspring at the player. I'm saying there are too many different characteristics between the already merged Boss Bass/Big Bertha article and the Big Cheep Cheep article than there are similarities. Also, just because a subject has been replaced doesn't mean it's undeserving of its own article.
+::::I'll talk more tomorrow, it's late. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 01:19, November 4, 2019 (EST)
+:::::At this point, we're talking in circles. I know Boss Bass is a derived species of Cheep Cheep, which is why it resembles one, but its abilities can make its article stand on its own. If you really want a solid direction to be decided, you should make that proposal, as I am not the only one that disagrees with this. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 10:37, November 4, 2019 (EST)
+==be:around==
+What proposals do you have in mind? Regarding Boss Bass, I'm mostly neutral at the moment. I really don't mean to be fence-sitting, but I can see where both the prospective merges with Cheep Chomp or Big Cheep Cheep are coming from, so I'm starting to think we should play it safe for a while longer. We already see notions to resplit Big Bertha from Boss Bass in response, and I imagine Bubba from Cheep Chomp wouldn't be that far behind afterward, which is giving me second thoughts about moving forward with another merge proposal at the current juncture. Hope you understand. Regarding King Boo, it seems correct (may look again later); however, I also think the "Big Boo (boss)" article should be addressed. If there is already a boss article, could that King Boo and potentially other Big Boo bosses be merged with that article, or should these Big Boos have separate articles as bosses? Either way, I feel it would just be inconsistent to merge the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' King Boo while still leaving the ''Super Mario World'' Big Boo boss unaccounted for. By the way...what did I miss on the Zelda wiki front? Did something wrong happen during the Zeldapedia and Triforce Wiki merge? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:14, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+:With Boss Bass, there's probably always going to be some lingering doubt after merging (i.e. "should it have merged the ''other'' way?"). With Big Boo, I think something should be done about it as well - could make it the same proposal even. The rest I think I can work with. About Zelda...I don't really need to know about the drama, but what I do want to know is if the wiki is only down temporarily. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:50, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+::Yes, Big Boo boss and King Boo ''Sunshine'' can safely be put in the same proposal I think. As I say, I think I can assist with the rest - though I should mention that, regarding Gold Bowser Statue, "Gold" enemies seem to be exempt from how we usually handle color variantions, and regarding Lightfish, it's possible, albeit unlikely, that Glimmer might have been localization since English is the language of origin in this case (it's a good idea to contact one of the developers for definitive answers on this and other Rare questions); regarding Bin, I agree with splitting now since I no longer stand by keeping the object and enemy merged, because that was when we kept foreign articles to a more strict minimum. Anyway, I'm relieved that at least one of the wikis will be safe - when I saw that they were both down, I remembered how I was the one who rationalized merging Triforce Wiki with Zeldapedia, and thought whatever happened was my fault. Let me know when it's back if I miss it. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:40, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+:::True. Also, Boo in a Box was something I've been meaning to get around, so I'll be sure to add to the discussion later. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:53, November 3, 2019 (EST)
+==Re:Oyakata Teresa==
+I'll try to explain what I found shortly on the talk page, but regarding the dialog, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i8t9zMNg5c&t=3m6s check] Big Boo's Japanese speech - it only refers to itself as ''oyakata'', not Oyakata Teresa / Big Boo. Speaking of Boos, isn't King Boo technically a Big Boo? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:00, November 6, 2019 (EST)
+:I mean, in general. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was still just slightly bigger than a regular Boo in the first ''Luigi's Mansion''. Size is inconsistent, but he's definitely a Big Boo in ''Super Mario 64 DS'' and even bigger in ''Super Princess Peach''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 23:39, November 6, 2019 (EST)
+::Might have to compare the models at some point to be sure; also not sure how he compares in every spinoff. so it could be a [[Bowser#Size|Bowser situation]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:28, November 7, 2019 (EST)
+==Re:Japanese Bob-omb==
+I haven't heard of this before, so that's interesting! Page 38 has the 「ボム兵」 (''Bomuhei'') profile, which reads as follows:
+「<span class="explain" title="ある">歩</span>いている<span class="explain" title="すがた">姿</span>はかわいいが、<span class="explain" title="ひか">光</span>り<span class="explain" title="だ">出</span>すと<span class="explain" title="ようちゅうい">要注意</span>。<span class="explain" title="なかま">仲間</span>までぶっ<span class="explain" title="と">飛</span>ばすぞ。よーく<span class="explain" title="み">見</span>るとどこかで<span class="explain" title="み">見</span>たことがあるなぁ。」 (''Its walking looks cute, but be very careful when it flashes. It even blows away companions. Take a nice look and you have seen it somewhere.'')
+It looks like the localization translated the first two sentences rather well, but instead of translating the third sentence and using a new name for the ''Mario'' franchise it opted to simplify it with the same name previously used in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' to get the same point across (keep in mind that the game would be a few years away in Japan, so Bob-omb technically didn't appear in a ''Mario'' property there yet). That leaves the question of why ''Super Mario USA'' didn't also reuse the new name, but I presume that's for consistency with ''Doki Doki Panic'' since Japan wasn't nearly as coy about it being a rebranded ''Mario'' version of the same game at the time (it's even mentioned up-front on the [https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/nes/525244-super-mario-bros-2/images/12912 back of the box]). Also note that the new ''Mario'' name may have been intentionally modeled after 「ヘイホー」  (''Heihō''), further hinting at the ''Yume Kōjō'' connection. I'm curious to find out if its ''Super Mario USA'' description changed from the ''Doki Doki Panic'' one in response. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:23, November 20, 2019 (EST)
+:Yes, the text seems closer to the keyless ones, although it pictures both types. The English version also mentions that it explodes "destroying everything around him" when the Japanese version specifically mentions its allies. I have news on the manual front though: Nintendo has PDFs available on their website, I believe uploaded for the Virtual Console and Classic Mini/Edition re-releases. Here they are chronologically, with some more thrown in for comparison:
+*''[https://www.gamingalexandria.com/fds/Doki%20Doki%20Panic/Doki%20Doki%20Panic%20-%20Manual.pdf Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic]''
+*''[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAADE.pdf Super Mario Bros. 2]''
+*[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-HAACJ.pdf ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' (Japanese)]
+*[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAACE.pdf ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' (American)]
+*''[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-HAADJ.pdf Super Mario USA]''
+*''[https://archive.org/details/supermariocollectionsfclq Super Mario Collection]''
+*''[https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_SNES/Manual/formated/Super_Mario_All-Stars_-_1993_-_Nintendo.pdf Super Mario All-Stars]''
+*[https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/data/software/manual/man_PAXJ_00.pdf ''Super Mario Advance'' (Japanese)]
+*[https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/game_boy_advance_8/Manual_GameBoyAdvance_SuperMarioAdvance_EN_DE_FR_ES_IT.pdf ''Super Mario Advance'' (European)]
+*''[https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/downloads/manual-wii_supermarioallstars.pdf Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition]
+:Note that pages for ''Doki Doki Panic'' are out of order, which is presume is because it was scanned unstapled for some reason, and I couldn't find the ''Super Mario Collection Special Pack'' manual. It strikes me that the layout is a bit different in the ''Super Mario USA'' manual next to previous versions, and that they have begun to recolor the artwork even before ''All-Stars'' (note Princess's earrings). Interestingly, only ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' lists all of the enemies; ''Doki Doki Panic'' is missing a handful (though it adds a gray Shy Guy) and ''Super Mario USA'' leaves out even more, and ''Collection'' and ''All-Stars Limited Edition'' have a similar lineup to the latter; while some of the descriptions are slightly different, Bob-omb is one of the enemies left out of Japanese manuals after ''Doki Doki Panic'', only mentioned with Albatoss. Anyway, if you need help finding more Japanese manuals and guides online since they're generally less preserved, I can say that it's at least simple enough to search a lot of them up on Nintendo's servers or, failing that, the Internet Archive. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:03, November 21, 2019 (EST)
+==RE:"Mario's old friend"==
+But "friend" implies a stronger relationship. Then again, it's only Wario's claim. Wario would never admit his shortcomings in comparison to Mario, but he does recognize them, so he tries to convince others that Mario is (at most) on the same level as him. He may be trying to hide his own jealousy with "Oh yeah, that Mario guy. We're pals--good pals. He's totally never left me in the dust since childhood because he was the more popular kid or something". {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 17:40, November 27, 2019 (EST)
+:True, guess I got too excited for a piece of information that was new to me and didn't have the brains to check it elsewhere. Still... don't you find it weird how in most of these texts, it's only Wario who calls Mario a friend? Mario seems suspiciously impartial. He knows that their friendship couldn't have possibly held on due to their differences. Which is sad, but I'm glad both grew to be successful in their own way.
+:... OK, enough of this soap, I'll sign out now. {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 18:34, November 27, 2019 (EST)