MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/14: Difference between revisions

2257: Yeah, the [[Wikipedia:International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]] is a good way of putting pronunciations (and "informal" spellings such as "Mar-e-o" could be put additionally). I could also help with that. But I don't think we need a proposal for it. Where the pronunciation appears to be interesting, we can put it. (Only problem about IPA is, that some of the symbols don't seem to be displayed correctly - see [[Holerö|this article]] and its [[Talk:Holerö|talk]]). {{User|Time Q}}

#{{user|Cobold}} - having {{tem|SSB Infobox}} is fine, but {{tem|character-infobox}} is useless for all characters who only appear in Smash and not in any other Mario game.

Having an article is one thing, needing a character-infobox is another thing. If you look at [[Toon Link]], most of the box is filled with non-Mario information. We should only put those infoboxes on pages when there's substantial Marioverse content. I think the poll is a bit too strict with its "all" or "none" options. - {{User|Cobold}} 10:41, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

:::To be technical, Xestrix would have to replace with <nowiki>"[[Image:collagename.PNG]]"</nowiki> with ''both'' <nowiki>"[[Image:newimagePM.png]]" and "[[Image:newimagePM2.png]]"</nowiki>. Fortunately, both images will be able to fit side-by-side in {{tem|Recipe-Infobox}}, and the pages would look the same before and after the split. - {{User|Walkazo}}

:A disclosure is not necessary because there is an entire ''section'' of the Birdo article that deals with her gender (see [[Birdo#Gender|here]]). Birdo is a transsexual ([[Wikipedia:Transgender#Transsexual|transgendered]]) male in the Japanese canon, and this was even carried over to the North American release (and maybe other regions too) of ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'', before being retconned in later games to accommodate the cultures that do not view sexuality as fluidly as the Japanese. As Grandy02 and Super-Yoshi (who was citing a comment I made in the past) pointed out, transsexuals should be identified with the gender they identifies themselves with. While the Japanese may do things differently, as Xestrix reminded us, this is not a Japanese website, and we conduct ourselves according to the English-speaking norms (admittedly, these vary from country to country, but let's just ignore that for the moment, shall we?). Shroobario's example, ''[[Captain Rainbow]]'', actually '''supports''' calling Birdo a female, despite the fact that she is physically male in the game, stating that "depending on one's view point, she is a young lady." One could also argue that once the most recent English-language depiction of Birdo (the current one being ''Captain Rainbow'') includes her as a plain female, we '''have''' to refer to her as a female, like how we call "Princess Toadstool" "[[Princess Peach]]", because that's her name these days. Policy is to refer to her as "Toadstool" only in the sections/articles of games that call her that, but "Peach" everywhere else; this could be applied to Birdo as well, but again, because she's transsexual, even in the games that acknowledge that she is physically male, Birdo should still be referred to using feminine pronouns. Same goes for [[Vivian]], who is also transsexual, and must be dealt with the same way as Birdo (see [[Vivian#Gender|here]] for that article's exposition in regards to Vivian's gender controversy). Also, even if the verdict is to switch (back) to gender neutrality on Birdo's article, '''don't use "it"''' to talk about Birdo, as it's considered offensive and dehumanizing, regardless of a person's sexual identity (Birdo's not ''technically'' human, but you know what I mean). - {{User|Walkazo}}