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Yeah, per Baby Luigi and Walkazo, but I think more than just one is better, like ~10 and also I guess they can be put in a place like for example: In Mario's article, in section "Media", have a subsection "Voice clips", or maybe a subsection to "Portrayals" or whatever and add several ogg files: "Tōru Furuya *insert years here*", "Lou Albano *also insert years here*", and so...--{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 18:23, 25 August 2014 (EDT) | Yeah, per Baby Luigi and Walkazo, but I think more than just one is better, like ~10 and also I guess they can be put in a place like for example: In Mario's article, in section "Media", have a subsection "Voice clips", or maybe a subsection to "Portrayals" or whatever and add several ogg files: "Tōru Furuya *insert years here*", "Lou Albano *also insert years here*", and so...--{{User:Dashbot/sig}} 18:23, 25 August 2014 (EDT) | ||
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===Create Separate Articles for Smash Fighters=== | |||
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T CREATE 3-10</span> | |||
This is an idea I had, and it's to cut back on the more lengthy articles like [[Mario]]. The Smash section for him is cluttered with his moves, Solid Snake convo and Subscape Emissary role, and I feel like it's a little too much. The Smash Wiki has an article for Mario in each different Smash Bros., so I kind of had the idea we could create a '''Mario (SSB)''' article where we can go more in depth about just his Smash Bros. roles; moves, trophy, stickers etc. | |||
This would apply to other Marioverse characters in Smash, and doing this would cut back on the length of these already massive articles. It also allows us to redirect the Smash Bros. section for the [[Koopaling]]s to ''Main Article: '''Bowser Jr. (SSB)''''' without having to go into depth about Ludwig's moveset on his own article. | |||
I figure this would only apply to Marioverse characters, as it's not like Link's or Pikachu's article needs to be reduced in size. | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Paper Jorge}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': September 24, 2014 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|Paper Jorge}} It'd offer a much neater look to the Mario, Bowser, Peach articles. I'd say it's worth a try. | |||
#{{User|Superchao}} It seems like a useful idea to save on space, and we already have things like gallery and quotes spun off into their own pages. | |||
#{{User|Wario land 3}} that seems legit :/ | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Randombob-omb4761}} Very pointless, they are the same thing. | |||
#{{User|Time Turner}} Most characters' sections aren't even that large, comparatively or otherwise. Besides, what about non-Marioverse characters who've appeared in other media, like [[Link]] or [[Kirby]] or [[Samus Aran]]? Where will you draw the line to say which articles deserves to be split and which don't? | |||
#{{User|Ninelevendo}} This sort of thing is best kept on Smashwiki, and by going into more smash related stuff some characters would have hardly any info on them because they only appear in a smash game. Creating one article for all four smash games also isn't that great of an idea, as all the different games would have their information cluttered and split, making it confusing for readers. Also, the name '''Mario (SSB)''' would be going against the rule of not using abbreviations. | |||
#{{User|Mario}} I don't understand why exactly the Smash Bros. series needs the split. The Codec part can probably be split from its main article, each special move can go further into detail in another article. There's no need to split off Smash Bros. Smash Wiki splits the articles because the wiki goes far into depth about character move properties, how effective the character is overall, and other technical stuff we don't cover. We cover the basic stuff, and that's not so much we need to split it. | |||
#{{User|'Shroom64}} The Mario article is inevitably huge; but as Time Turner said, we have non-Mario articles like Link, R.O.B. and others that would be comparatively weird to have an unnecessary other article for SSB. But why does Ludwig (and the other Koopalings, I guess) have his own section? It is really Bowser Jr., right? Per all. | |||
#{{User|Toadbrigade5}} I know Smash wiki does it, but hey, its still the same charecter and who cares if the article is huge! | |||
#{{User|Tsunami}} Per all. And I would like to remember we already have links to every SmashWiki page, so they can be checked. And why can't you go depth directly in the article? | |||
#{{User|Ghost Jam}} I agree that some of our more popular articles could stand a trim here or there, but I'm not sure splitting articles up into smaller articles is the way to go about it, especially considering the snowball effect it will create. If it's simply a matter of trying to shorten articles and save space, I would think cutting down the offending sections and truncating sentences when able (both of which are supposed to be standard editing practices) would be a more succinct way of doing that, and that's the method I favor. | |||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - The SSB clutter has always irked me to an extent, but it would be better to just move the Codec and Special Attacks sections to the "List of Profiles and Statistics" subpages that we've already created for the longer articles. | |||
#{{User|Koopakoolklub}} Per all. Again. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
@Tsunami We don't really cover the technical things as, for one, it would make the section really long, but most of the terms (such as "Edge-guarding") could be considered "fan-made names". Plus, we don't really cover things like Hitboxes largely because, well, we aren't Smashwiki, our policy is different to theirs. - {{User:Ninelevendo/sig}} 01:26, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Okey dokey. Thanks a bunch for the clarement :) Since our policy is different, I then don't see the point of following their. Maybe, if ever Smash Bros. will become complex over years, I will support this. {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | |||
@Randombob-omb4761: I take your point, but our inclusion policy has traditionally been interpreted as "more articles are better than less articles, if we can pull it off." -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Ghost Jam]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:05, 18 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
About the special moves, couldn't we just go back to having separate articles for them? A lot of the reason behind the merge was to [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_10#Smash_Bros._Moves|minimize Smash Bros. coverage]], and there was also talk of [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_20#Split_all_Super_Smash_Bros._moves_into_separate_articles|stubs]] being created (which used to be a very scary word). The stub argument is tosh for a bunch of reasons, but the coverage of "minor" Smash Bros aspects is an interesting point that I've always wanted to discuss. We have several characters like stage-specific ones ([[Ultimate Chimera]], [[Bulborb]], [[Turtle (Super Smash Bros.)|the Great Bay turtle]]) merged, which is because of their small appearances. At the same time, we have SSB enemies like [[Mite]]s and [[Like Like]]s that also have relatively small appearances but are still given articles because they act as full-fledged enemies. By that same token, the special moves are constantly used and being seen, and the wiki's certainly no stranger to giving articles to [[List of special moves|special moves]]. After all, giving them articles would clear up some of the section's clutter. | |||
I've prattled on about a subject that I want to discuss with no real point other than that I want to discuss it. What exactly is and isn't "minor" to the point of not covering it is something that I always wanted to discuss. Anyone else wanna make sense of what I wrote and chime in with their own thoughts? {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | |||
:We used to have separate articles for every individual Smash Bros. move. Sometime during the release of Brawl, something happened that our policy changed, probably a proposal. I'm not exactly sure why though (guessing article lengths?) or if we could change our policy back. Thoughts? {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}} | |||
::We've overwritten larger polices that have lasted longer in the past. Besides, like Ghost Jam said, our policy has generally been in support of more articles if possible, and it's certainly possible in this case. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | |||
:::[http://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_10#Smash_Bros._Moves This], guys? {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:06, 20 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::''That's the same proposal I linked to in my second sentence''. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | |||
:::::I don't know, it looks like Paper Jorge overlooked your link. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:18, 20 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::Yeah, missed it. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}} | |||
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Block on wiki = block on forumVETOED BY THE ADMINISTRATORS
(not sure if this belongs in Changes or Miscellaneous; please move if necessary) Proposer: Lord Bowser (talk) Ban on both only when permabanned on wikiBan on both in all instances for same amount of time
Ban only on wiki (do nothing)
CommentsYou forgot a "Do Nothing" section, which would probably be best as there are instances of people being blocked on forum and not on wiki. If the user gets themselves blocked on the wiki, but still acts in a gracious manner on the forums then I don't see why they should be banned there. Yoshi876 (talk)
Allow the upload of voice clipsALLOW 14-0 So, I am a bit busy, but I will spend more time in the wiki, as how it was...OK, so, I was thinking about uploading some (NOT A LOT!) of voice clips, I mean, voice clips for people hear and see the difference between voice actors. Example: Upload a Peach voice clip from SM64 and one from SMG. My idea is have a small number of voice clips.
useful places to get voices: the sounds resource, the kittycorps meowmix forums, MFGG, youtube.com, ripping (use BrawlBox, SZS modifier, etc) anx trought glitches (MK8) and SSB3DS will have a voice tool like MP games. Proposer: Ashley and Red (talk) Support
OpposeComments@Nineelevndo, I understand your oppose...or the major part it. If ripping is hard, it isn't mybproblem: who want to rip, rip. Who doesn't...doesn't rip. Also, most of them can be downloaded anywhere, you just need to credit the ripper. Also, I said a dmall amount because of PC lags. Got it? ;) User:Ashley anEoTselkie/sig
Just so you now, there's already a class of subpages for sound clips: "List of X media" pages (like this). Right now, it's only for games and whatnot, but I suppose if enough sound clips of a character are amassed, a subpage could be used for that. However I doubt that would ever be necessary, and it's not very ideal either. Uploading sound clips of voicework in of itself isn't a bad idea, tho: just be choosy about what's worth including. - Walkazo (talk) It may be nice to have voice clips, thing is, for all the Mario games that will come, the maximum of 7 is too low. I don't know anything on converting and stuff, but it could be nice to have them as .ogg files, just as musics. This way we could have, just like for the games page, a "List of Mario GFXs" and/or "List of GFXs from Super Mario 64". By the way, another reason for not supporting in Ninelevendo's. Why putting so effort for a such difficult thing to do when not so much people will hear it? But yes, I know that GFXs put a variety at the game and are nice to hear with music. P.S. I found a video glitch of MK8 where the music goes off and all the characters voices can be hearded, the ones when you select it. The link is www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUJH3oTDwbE. Hope I helped you if the proposal pass :) TSUNAMI The majority of the users on this Wiki are on either Windows XP, Vista and 7 or Mac OS X. I'd see a lag if they were on something older let's say like Windows 2000 or Windows Me, 98 and 95 but that's very unlikely since barely anyone uses Windows 2000 or Windows 9X.I'd see that some people would receive a lag but that is if they were using an old piece of shit Windows 2000,9X or NT 4.0 PC.If someone were using Windows 2000 then this site would look all garbled up and shit like that though the chance is very unlikely for someone to use such older outdated and abandoned OSes. - Pwwnd123(talk|contributions)
I like this idea...but having entire pages for this? I don't agree. What I DO agree with is using a selected voice clip to color personality sections with characters, so you know what they sound like. I think one voice clip per character on average would be great detailing personality. Ray Trace(T|C) 20:54, 20 August 2014 (EDT)
Create Separate Articles for Smash FightersDON'T CREATE 3-10 This is an idea I had, and it's to cut back on the more lengthy articles like Mario. The Smash section for him is cluttered with his moves, Solid Snake convo and Subscape Emissary role, and I feel like it's a little too much. The Smash Wiki has an article for Mario in each different Smash Bros., so I kind of had the idea we could create a Mario (SSB) article where we can go more in depth about just his Smash Bros. roles; moves, trophy, stickers etc. This would apply to other Marioverse characters in Smash, and doing this would cut back on the length of these already massive articles. It also allows us to redirect the Smash Bros. section for the Koopalings to Main Article: Bowser Jr. (SSB) without having to go into depth about Ludwig's moveset on his own article. I figure this would only apply to Marioverse characters, as it's not like Link's or Pikachu's article needs to be reduced in size. Proposer: Paper Jorge (talk) Support
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Comments@Tsunami We don't really cover the technical things as, for one, it would make the section really long, but most of the terms (such as "Edge-guarding") could be considered "fan-made names". Plus, we don't really cover things like Hitboxes largely because, well, we aren't Smashwiki, our policy is different to theirs. - 01:26, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
@Randombob-omb4761: I take your point, but our inclusion policy has traditionally been interpreted as "more articles are better than less articles, if we can pull it off." -- Ghost Jam 22:05, 18 September 2014 (EDT) About the special moves, couldn't we just go back to having separate articles for them? A lot of the reason behind the merge was to minimize Smash Bros. coverage, and there was also talk of stubs being created (which used to be a very scary word). The stub argument is tosh for a bunch of reasons, but the coverage of "minor" Smash Bros aspects is an interesting point that I've always wanted to discuss. We have several characters like stage-specific ones (Ultimate Chimera, Bulborb, the Great Bay turtle) merged, which is because of their small appearances. At the same time, we have SSB enemies like Mites and Like Likes that also have relatively small appearances but are still given articles because they act as full-fledged enemies. By that same token, the special moves are constantly used and being seen, and the wiki's certainly no stranger to giving articles to special moves. After all, giving them articles would clear up some of the section's clutter. I've prattled on about a subject that I want to discuss with no real point other than that I want to discuss it. What exactly is and isn't "minor" to the point of not covering it is something that I always wanted to discuss. Anyone else wanna make sense of what I wrote and chime in with their own thoughts? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
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