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I would argue that the source for Mario's last name also being Mario is false. Miyamoto's quote clearly leaves Mario and Luigi's last name ambiguous, equating it to Mickey Mouse not really having a last name. https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-says-marios-full-name-is-mario-mario/ --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (EST) | I would argue that the source for Mario's last name also being Mario is false. Miyamoto's quote clearly leaves Mario and Luigi's last name ambiguous, equating it to Mickey Mouse not really having a last name. https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-says-marios-full-name-is-mario-mario/ --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (EST) | ||
:That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApEgUxp58k&t=1m18s Link Link.] [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST) | :That was back in 2012. Miyamoto has embraced the last name since 2015, even joking more recently that Link's full name is just like Mario's: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApEgUxp58k&t=1m18s Link Link.] [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:42, 20 November 2018 (EST) | ||
I'd argue that just because Miyamoto says Mario has a last name doesn't mean it's true. It's like how J.K. Rowling said Hermione was black even though the books (she wrote) clearly stated that she had white skin. Miyamoto says Mario has a last name but none of the games back up this claim. The only real source for Mario having a last name is the 1993 Mario Movie and that is shown to not be canon to the games.--[[User:Pizza Master|Pizza Master]] ([[User talk:Pizza Master|talk]]) 19:08, August 6, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Except that nothing in the games contradicts Mario being the last name, so we have no reason to not trust Miyamoto on the subject. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 19:38, August 15, 2023 (EDT) | |||
If Miyamoto flip-flops between whether they do or don't have a last name, can we really trust that they do? What if he flip-flops back to saying they (Mario and Luigi) don't have last names? Also, though the games don't contradict Miyamoto they also don't support Miyamoto either. I think we should leave the last name blank because there has yet to be confirmation from the games on the subject.--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 17:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:If he changes his mind again then we'll reflect that, but he hasn't done so since 2015, and he only changed his mind once anyway. And if we were to remove information on the basis of not being confirmed nor denied by the games, the wiki would be pretty different (there's plenty of enemies that are unnamed in the games and use their names from guides, books, websites, emails, etc.). {{User:Hewer/sig}} 08:43, August 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
Fair enough. Though, I do think that Mario having the same first and last name is pretty dumb. It makes me wonder; Is Wario's full name Wario Wario?--{{User:Pizza Master/sig}} 16:03, August 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:If that were the case, Waluigi's full name would be "Waluigi Wario". However, Wario and Waluigi's last names weren't confirmed by Nintendo, only Mario's full name was confirmed to be "Mario Mario"; also making Luigi's full name "Luigi Mario". [[User:Jake Lugo|Jake Lugo]] ([[User talk:Jake Lugo|talk]]) 10:08, March 9, 2024 (EST) | |||
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== Article size policy == | == Article size policy == | ||
*[[MarioWiki:Article size]] | *[[MarioWiki:Article size]] | ||
<blockquote>"The section then remains on the original article, the {{tem|main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{tem|main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "</blockquote> | <blockquote>"The section then remains on the original article, the {{tem|main}} template is used to link to the new article, and a much more top-level summary is given in that section of the original article. For example, summarizing the "History" section of Mario to give a much more top-level overview and using {{tem|main}} to link to a new page entitled "History of Mario". "</blockquote> | ||
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:Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT) | :Is there any promotional material that says anything relevant? {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:03, April 22, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:: There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT) | :: There was a promotional interview released for Odyssey that brings up "plumber" as one of Mario's professions if that counts. Plus, them removing pests from their home's pipes was made up for the Atari version. An interview with Shigeru Miyamoto explicitly sets the game within New York's plumbing system. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:20, May 10, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:::I see. I know that later material does more firmly establish this fact, but I was wondering how early the whole "Mario is a plumber" part happened. The discussion above suggests that the film is first to establish this, so I was asking for any material that possibly predates this movie claiming that. Mario is a plumber rather than just every day hero. {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:43, May 10, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::: I'm not sure, honestly. I think it was one of those things the American translators came up with (given it was established as early as Mario Bros.) and Japan decided to adopt later. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 11:02, May 11, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::::{{media link|Nintendo Power issue 6 image 1.png|''Nintendo Power'' issue 6 page 19}} calls Mario a plumber in regards to SMB2. That pushed it back to a few months before the ''Super Show!''.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 07:17, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | |||
We do have {{media link|MB_Mario_and_Luigi_with_Plumbing_Supplies_Artwork.jpg|artwork of Mario and Luigi as plumbers}}, the problem is when this was drawn. The specific scan is from a year 1993 rerelease, while in terms of Japanese material I saw it in the year 1994 Super Mario Bros. Daizukan, but it might have been an earlier artwork. In any case it is referred to the original Mario Bros., so the idea that they were plumbers there was definitely around. Actually, [https://nintendoeverything.com/miyamoto-explains-why-mario-is-italian/ this year 2010 interview is pretty telling]: | |||
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Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian. | |||
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So, according to Miyamoto, Mario was indeed intended to be a plumber in ''Mario Bros.''.—-[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:That's besides the point. While Mario was intended to be a plumber during the development of MB, if nothing was published to the general public (that I'm aware of), no one would know what his job was. Atari still called him a carpenter in their MB ports. What I'm looking for is the earliest official sources stating that he is a plumber to the public. So far, I've pushed it back to mid-'89.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:11, May 14, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Mario's Species == | |||
I thought Mario's species was confirmed to be "Homo Nintendous", why is it labeled as human? [[User:I'manumber1|I'manumber1]] ([[User talk:I'manumber1|talk]]) 03:29, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Do you have a source for that? He's referred to as a human in the movie at least, can't remember other exact instances. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 04:15, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::"Homo Nintendous" was a one-off joke from a non-retail character manual from the late 80s-early 90s, not a serious indication that he wasn't a human. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 07:01, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
Oh, it was just a joke, well-then I guess he should continue to be called Human then. [[User:I'manumber1|I'manumber1]] ([[User talk:I'manumber1|talk]]) 16:28, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:<s>Mario's species is [[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Characters#Mario_.28species.29|Mario]]</s> {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:16, June 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== New Image == | |||
Should we update the character image with the file:///MarioSMBW.png one?{{unsigned|Violetmushroom}} | |||
:We'll do that when the game releases. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 21:20, October 13, 2023 (EDT) | |||
Okay, but which one? The one I mentioned above of him holding the wonder flower, or the one of him jumping? I’m thinking we should use the latter for the Super Mario (form) page.{{unsigned|Violetmushroom}} | |||
::The one without the Wonder Flower should be the one used here, you may want to look at [[Template:Character infobox]]. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 11:03, October 14, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Disambiguation page == | |||
So I was editing pages, as one does, and I realize that I accidentally added a page to the meta category "articles with too many about links." I fix it, realise the Dash page is in said category, suggest to add a disambiguation page for that, the page is created, all is well. But then I realized that ''this article'' was on the page. Not good. | |||
Now, I know it was removed from that meta category, but this article still fits said criteria. Such is why I propose the idea of making a Mario disambiguation page: include the links to [[Super Mario (franchise)]], [[Mario (film character)]], [[Baby Mario]] and the character from [[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]], if he ever gets added or not. That way, we can have the disambiguation page, and keep the "'Jumpman' redirects here" section, as the criteria for the meta category is to have more than 3 about links. --[[User:OmegaRuby|JoeCool]] ([[User talk:OmegaRuby|talk]]) 12:42, October 16, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Is the Super Mario Bros. Movie set in the same world as the games? == | |||
Because on Mario's page it uses Mario reuniting with Luigi in the movie as an example of their family bond. Isn't the movie set in a different canon than the games? And yes, I'm aware the Mario series doesn't have an official canon. I think. -- [[User:FanOfRosalina2007|FanOfRosalina2007]] ([[User talk:FanOfRosalina2007|talk]]) 14:18, November 12, 2023 (EST) | |||
:You answered your own question. There is no canon, so everything "is canon", meaning the wiki treats the Mario movie the same way it treats any other Mario media. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:21, November 12, 2023 (EST) | |||
::Yeah, so if the movie shows an example, we document it. How we decide to cover it is dependent on how illustrative it is. The movie's entire plot is based on Mario's rescuing Luigi so I think it's a good example to support a summary of their relationship. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:40, November 12, 2023 (EST) | |||
:::Oh, okay! For some reason I didn't realize that. Good to know! -- [[User:FanOfRosalina2007|FanOfRosalina2007]] ([[User talk:FanOfRosalina2007|talk]]) 22:22, November 12, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Role Section == | |||
I was thinking about adding a role section to the "List of game appearances" section that indicates what role he played in each game, like as a playable character or an antagonist or a non-playable character or a protagonist and stuff like that. {{unsigned|Wonderman23}} | |||
:I encourage it! The list of game appearances needs an overhaul to fit other character pages, see [[Princess Daisy]]. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:41, December 2, 2023 (EST) | |||
::I'm seeing the edits. Thank you very much for working on it. [[File:Mario's side.gif]] {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:53, December 2, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Add rowspanning to the List of appearances section? == | |||
Should I add rowspanning to the table in [[Mario#List of appearances|List of appearances]]? So many rows have the same text so it would make the table look more organized. | |||
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|+ Here's an example of what I'm talking about: | |||
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| Example || rowspan=2|Example || rowspan=3|Example | |||
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Would this be worth doing, or is the section fine how it currently is? {{User:NintendoFan08/sig}} 07:23, December 3, 2023 (EST) | |||
:No, because it would end up looking like [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mario_Kart_Tour&diff=prev&oldid=3763731#Ranked_cup this chart on the right]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 07:40, December 3, 2023 (EST) | |||
::No, I don't recommend rowspanning. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:38, December 4, 2023 (EST) | |||