Talk:Lakitu (character)

Is this even necessary? He's a minor character with a very minor cameo in the Mario & Luigi games (and the unreleased Mario Kart 7) and all this information is on the page for generic Lakitus! Oh, and if this must stay, what about the Lakitu in BiS? Technickal 19:09, 26 November 2011 (EST)

In BiS the red-shelled Lakitu was replaced with a standard green-shelled one. -Four Paper Heroes 19:14, 26 November 2011 (EST)

I'm agreeing with the motion to delete this. The Mario & Luigi appearances are too short and generic to count for anything and being a PC in Mario Kart with a differently-coloured shell doesn' mean much if he still has a generic species name. Of course, if anyone disagre... --Glowsquid 19:54, 26 November 2011 (EST)

That's a silly reason. It's only concerned on the Red-shelled Lakitu, of course he is not the same as all the Lakitu species. I'm against the delete. You could've just change the infos of the Lakitu page.--Prince Ludwig 19:58, 26 November 2011 (EST)

I'm actually for its deletion. It's too minor a character in ML:PiT and ML:SS. And as Glowsquid said, the different colored shell doesn't make it any different from others. This is why Wiggler, though appearing in MK7 as well, doesn't have its own article for that appearance. --FREAK ~Game Freak~ OUT!

No difference? What makes you think that the Lakitu is actually the same as all the Lakitus? A red-shelled Lakitu who is now a racer and an ally of the Mario Bros.? And a green-shelled Lakitu who often appears as an enemy or plays the role of a Fishin' Lakitu in the Mario Kart series? Hm? Think about it. You can't say that as if a Lakitu could change his color just simply by painting it or something like that...Of course, he's a seperate character.--Prince Ludwig 20:04, 26 November 2011 (EST)

In PiT you can't see the red shell because the Lakitu's back is turned anyway! Mario Kart 7 hasn't even been released anywhere yet, so we should wait on that. Just because the shell is a different color doesn't mean it's a separate character (even if the shell is naturally that color). Do we have separate pages for green and red-shelled Koopa Troopas? (besides the shells?) Technickal 20:13, 26 November 2011 (EST)

There are other normal Lakitus that aren't hostile to Mario (mostly in SMRPG) and shell colour doesn't mean anything - Green and Red (and blue, and yellow, and flashing...)-shelled Koopas don't have separate pages despite being more different (due to AI behaviours) from each-other than this Lakitu is from other Lakitus. You're going to need a stronger case. --Glowsquid 20:15, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Listen Technickal, we are five days before the release of this game in Japan. Now is not the time being complaining about it. He is a seperate character. This article isn't about a species of red-shelled Lakitus. There were only one red-shelled Lakitu seen throught the series, this Lakitu. Don't compare him to Koopa Troopas because they are different, except that he's the same as Metal Mario.--Prince Ludwig 20:23, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Per GameFreak. It's too minor to have its own article. RandomYoshi^{(Talk • PMs • C)} 21:07, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Per Glowsquid. PikaSamus (talk)

It's five days early to be much more "Official" than minor. There lots of minor characters out there who got their own articles. Leave Lakitu out of this plz.--Prince Ludwig 22:18, 26 November 2011 (EST)

I agree with all the calls for deletion it's two minor Raven Effect (talk)

Why are you so impatient before the release of the game?--Prince Ludwig 22:22, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Also there is no confrimation that this Lakitu is the same one in all 3 games it could just be some random lakitu with a red shell Raven Effect (talk)

It may could be both pal, but no. You can't say it's random since there were only one red-shelled Lakitu. It's the same for Yoshi, considering some Green Yoshis, even Super Mario Sunshine's, to be him. And DON'T erase this article.--Prince Ludwig 22:33, 26 November 2011 (EST)

I am also all for deleting this article. Per all except Ludwig Jazama 22:39, 26 November 2011 (EST)

I don't think you are...You just don't like me. Tell me, why can't you at least wait for five days? Mario Kart 7 will be released soon. It's useless to delete or want to delete it.--Prince Ludwig 22:41, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Are you blind nobody wants to delete the article because the games not out yet Raven Effect (talk)

No. Because Lakitu's appearance will be more official in Mario Kart 7 and you keep saying that he's a minor character, or probably that he makes a minor appearance in the Mario & Luigi series. Are you blind that Mario Kart7's gonna be released in Japan in December 1, 2011?--Prince Ludwig 22:44, 26 November 2011 (EST)

That has nothing with my argument my argument is that there is no difference between this lakitu and a regular lakitu except the shell color and we don't have articles on red shelled koopa troopas nor do we have articles on the koopa troopas that appear in Mario Kart Raven Effect (talk)

There we go again...I just told them before you, there is only 1 red-shelled Lakitu, the character, that is. And the green-shelled Lakitu often appears as a Fishin' Lakitu in the Mario Kart series. Where else have you seen a red-shelled Lakitu besides Mario Kart 7 and the Mario & Luigi series anyway? No where else than these games dude. Maybe he acts the same, but the difference is his appearance and him being an ally of the Mario Bros.--Prince Ludwig 22:50, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Prove that they are the same characters. Prove that they aren't just a generic Lakitu with a red shell Raven Effect (talk)

(Do I really have to? *facepalm) Just 1 red-shelled Lakitu, not two or plus. We haven't seen another red-shelled Lakitu besides this Lakitu. If you are imagining or seen another one, tell me. Have you ever seen a green-shelled Lakitu who races in the Mario Kart series? He's not just a Lakitu, it shows him to be different. He doesn't have a clould when he drives his kart.--Prince Ludwig 23:00, 26 November 2011 (EST)

Delete This Page

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OPPOSE 17-21

As per the title. Seeing the argument above, how about we make an official proprosal.

Proposer: Jazama (talk)
Deadline: December 11, 2011 23:59 GMT.

Lakitu in Superstar sage

There is absolutely no evidence that even remotely suggests that they are the same the only link they have is a red shell and that means nothing because generic lakitus have red shells to Raven Effect (talk)

...If Lakitu has a red-shell, it does mean something. What do you mean "mean nothing"?--Prince Ludwig 16:47, 8 December 2011 (EST)

It means nothing because other Lakitus have red shells thus disproving that these two are the same because they have red shells Raven Effect (talk)

It's also because of that...literally. Yoshi is the same Green Yoshi who's the best friend of Mario because he is a Green Yoshi like other Green Yoshis. Similar, huh? It's also because the red-shelled Lakitu is an ally and no more a Fishin' Lakitu, that's for sure.--Prince Ludwig 17:12, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Hey little known fact all that is confirmed in the various guide books and bios of the various mario games while this is not Raven Effect (talk)

You think I didn't know that? I said it's similar; since one of you consider Red-shelled Lakitu as a species and a different character from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga.--Prince Ludwig 17:16, 8 December 2011 (EST)

So that whole Yoshi thing has no relevance to this article because unlike this article their is confirmation that the Yoshi's are the same Raven Effect (talk)

There was a Star child Yoshi and a Green Yoshi who toke care of the Star Children. Like Yoshi and Donkey Kong, Lakitu's character article must be about the Red-shelled Lakitu from Mario & Luigi and Mario Kart, which are the same character.--Prince Ludwig 17:24, 8 December 2011 (EST)

So your argument is that because the Lakitu in Superstar Saga has a red shell and the one in Mario Kart 7 has a red shell than they must be the same A.K.A Speculation Raven Effect (talk)

Lakitu's Red-shell means nothing A.K.A Speculation. Right back at ya.--Prince Ludwig 17:32, 8 December 2011 (EST)

No i can prove it means nothing there are other Lakitus with Red shells including a picture that shows two at the same time so unless you are willing to argue that all Red Shelled Lakitus are the same person your argument means nothing Raven Effect (talk)

Hey guys, it's clear you're not getting anywhere arguing back and forth. I suggest one of you make a TPP to settle this issue instead of wasting your time arguing when neither will change their minds. Although you might want to wait until the proposal above is finished, which could change things.--Knife (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2011 (EST)

'Aight. Okay.--Prince Ludwig 17:37, 8 December 2011 (EST)

I agree also, on a side note to Raven Effect, I think a similar TPP action should be done for Rocky Wrench. -Four Paper Heroes 17:38, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Remove Superstar Saga information

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Well, let's see who else thinks the SS and MK7 red Lakitus are the same guy or not. (This can be deleted if the article ends up being deleted.)

Proposer: Technickal (talk)
Deadline: December 22, 2011, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Technickal (talk) Per Raven Effect's above comment
2. Raven Effect (talk) Their is no evidence to suggest that they are the same and having a red shell =/= being the same character
3. Mariomario64 (talk) – Per above.
4. RandomYoshi (talk) — Per Raven Effect. Just becuase that Lakitu has a red shell doesn't mean that it indeed is this Lakitu(who we aren't sure about if it's a separate character either...).
5. Toad'ShyGuy (talk) It's just too typical. Per everyone above.
6. ThePremiumYoshi (talk) - It's rather improbable these two Lakitus are the same. Per all.
7. Tails777 (talk) After a debate with Raven Effect, I now reluctantly agree. Per all.
8. Dhock (talk) There's no proof that they're the same character, as a matter of fact I highly doubt they are.
9. Lakituthequick (talk) That is just a normal one but with a red shell. Also see my opposing vote in the TPP above.
10. Lord Grammaticus (talk) Per above
11. New Super Yoshi (talk)Per all.
12. 16-Volt (talk)Nowhere in the game or game guides does it say that this lakitu is THE Lakitu. Also, like RandomYoshi said, we still aren't sure if this "lakitu" is a single character, since all fishin lakitus in SMW have red shells and at least 2 red shelled lakitus appeared in the M&L:SS. per all
13. Toad85 (talk) Now this I can get behind.
14. Mr.C (talk) Although the Lakitu in SS has a red shell, there is a slim probability that they are one and the same. Besides, there are two of those Lakitus, so that makes the probability even lower. In a nutshell, per all.

Comments

Sorry to bother you Technickal, but you need to add this proposal to the list. -Four Paper Heroes 20:04, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Four Paper Heroes, what exactly should be done with Rocky Wrench? Technickal 20:28, 8 December 2011 (EST)

Probably mentioned before, but we don't know if they are the same or not. But since they are both red shelled Lakitu's, they may as well stay in the same article. And no we shouldn't remove the Superstar Saga info because it is on a red shell Lakitu who give the bonus for the Bros, that should be notable enough (despite being a small role). Tails777 (talk)

But their are other Lakitus with red shells and saying that one Lakitu who has a red shell is the same as another Lakitu with a red shell is speculation Raven Effect (talk)

This should have waited until the above TPP was settled. The article's deletion still rides, and if it does end up being deleted, then this TPP will serve no purpose whatsoever. Baby Mario Bloops (talk)

Chill out BMB, this can easily be deleted. Technickal 20:27, 8 December 2011 (EST)

@Raven Effect Others eh? Aside from the 2 we have already mentioned (MK7, and M&L:SS) what other ones are there? Tails777 (talk)

These ones that are up above in the comments section of the last proposal you know the ones with the red shells http://www.mariowiki.com/File:2ndFawfulMLSS.jpg Raven Effect (talk)

O.K. I'll admit you have me pinned on this one, but I still don't support deleting the article or the section of information. This Lakitu to me is a notable Lakitu (since it is clearly different from the green Lakitu) and should have it's own article. Tails777 (talk)

But the question is can you prove that these two Lakitus are the same Raven Effect (talk)

No I can't, but since they are both red shelled Lakitus, they should stay on the same page (regardless of if they are the same or not.) Tails777 (talk)

So even though this is an article on a specific character it's ok to include information on another character because it has a red shell A.K.A implying they are the same A.K.A speculation Raven Effect (talk)

Fine, you got me. You are right about it being speculation and I know (I think) that we don't include speculation on articles. Tails777 (talk)

Geez...you actually gave up.--Prince Ludwig 17:14, 10 December 2011 (EST)

Yes cause I couldn't continue to argue without a reason. He had me to the point I couldn't say anything in defense. Tails777 (talk)

We should probably just mention the red-shelled Lakitu from M&L Superstar Saga in the trivia section, they are most likely not the same but it is worth a little noting. -Four Paper Heroes 19:50, 10 December 2011 (EST) Maybe, since they also haven't prove that he's a seperate character too. But I need to say this; users shouldn't write "it is unknown whether he is the same character or not."--Prince Ludwig 22:47, 13 December 2011 (EST)

Excuse me but these two Red-Shelled Lakitus who are on Fawful's "side" are Lakitu Bros. while the character played the role of a Fishin' Lakitu before Mario Kart 7.--Prince Ludwig 19:14, 19 December 2011 (EST)

How does that prove that the Lakitu in SS is the same as in Mario Kart 7 Raven Effect (talk)

I just said that to increase the chances to believe that Lakitu in SS is the same as in Mario Kart 7.--Prince Ludwig 19:25, 19 December 2011 (EST)

Question

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Now that we have classified this Lakitu as a separate character, should we do the same for the other species drivers (Koopa, Wiggler, Shy Guy)?

-IGGY7735

No Raven Effect (talk)

...You just do as you wish.--Prince Ludwig 22:38, 13 December 2011 (EST)

No we have a policy against making those articles Raven Effect (talk)

What does the policy says? I haven't heard about this.--Prince Ludwig 22:43, 13 December 2011 (EST)

One of the admins mentioned it in the comments section of the proposal Raven Effect (talk)

Well, my opinion isn't exactly more binding than your opinions when it comes to wiki matters. It's not a policy to not create those articles, but it is a consistency, which is a little different. If there was a policy in place for dealing with species characters, the TPP wouldn't have been valid. Now that we have decided that Lakitu deserves an article, we may have to re-evaluate whether those other species characters (not just drivers) deserve articles as well. Apparently, the only criteria separating the Lakitu character from the other species article was that it has a distinct appearance from other Lakitus and it appeared in previous Mario Kart installments as a Fishin' Lakitu. A lot of the opposers also opposed on the basis that we have articles for Birdo, Yoshi, and Toad, but IMO those comparisons are invalid. Birdo is given an article because he/she was the single boss of SMB2 and has had a role as mini-boss in the M&L series. Toad has an article because he is a recurring character and had his own protagonist role in Wario's Woods. Yoshi... do I even have to explain Yoshi? If those characters appeared only in sports games, would they still have an article? Now that we've decided that Lakitu is worthy of a separate article we have to re-evaluate what criteria we should use when deciding to create species character articles.--Knife (talk) 15:01, 15 December 2011 (EST)

This is a good point. What IS the criteria for what species get character pages and what don't? Since it seems the Superstar Saga information is going to get deleted, this article exists solely for it's appearance in Mario Kart 7. The only thing that differentiates this article and an article on Koopa Troopa's appearances in sports games, is that this lakitu looks different from most other lakitus (Even though red shelled lakitus have appeared as a species prior to this). So is that the criteria? In order for a species in a sport/kart game to have an article as a character of it's own, it needs to look a bit different from the majority of members in it's species? What about the different colored players in the baseball series, like the yellow, blue, or green shy guys? Do they count? Why shouldn't they, they're oddly colored. If we want to maintain consistency, then what should we do about all those other pages? What exactly IS the policy on this? Dhock