MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
2. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
   • Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
   • Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
   • Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
4. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation.
5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
6. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
7. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
10. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
12. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
13. Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
14. If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
15. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: 07:03, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

New Features

None at the moment.

Removals

Luigi and Boo FAs

I was on the featured articles page recently and I saw that the Luigi and Boo articles are still nominated. You wouldn't believe how many fan votes there are on the Boo one, and Luigi's has been there for over a year. I propose that the nominations should be deleted because of those things and can be started up again if the articles improve.

Proposer: McQueenMario (talk)
Deadline: ?

Remove Luigi and Boo FAs

• McQueenMario (talk) - See above.

Comments

Note that this happened a while ago for the Bowser FA. McQueenMario

Splits & Merges

Split Beta Elements into Sub-Articles

We all know that the Beta Elements page is incredibly long...the second-longest page on the wiki — It's chock full of images and good information on a ton of different games, (which isn't a bad thing), but I feel the article would be better off describing what a beta element is, and then having a list at the bottom of the page that lists all of the games we have beta info on. Which leads me to the second part of my proposal. Most of the beta element sections in that page are more than long enough to constitute their own page. This would make it easier to find a specific beta element in a specific game, and it would also make it much easier to load said page(s). For example, the beta elements for Super Mario World could be found at Template:Fakelink. This page could easily be found because there would be a link on Beta Elements to that page, as well as a link to it on the Super Mario World article.

• An example of what the 'new' Beta Elements page would look like can be found here.
• An example of what the Super Mario World beta elements sub-page would look like can be found here.
• To be consistent, the same shall apply to the Glitches page as well. (Credit to Edofenrir and Walkazo for this idea.)

Proposer: Stooben Rooben (talk)
Deadline: October 6, 2009, 17:00

Support

1. Stooben Rooben (talk) — Per my reasoning above.
2. Tucayo (talk) - Per Stooby
3. Super Paper Mario Bros. (talk) Per Dr. Rooben.
4. YellowYoshi127 (talk) Yoshi! Stoobys right, it is way to long.
5. Monteyaga (talk) Per All.
6. Edofenrir (talk) - It's not like me to simply per without adding my opinion, but Stooben Rooben summed it up perfectly.
7. Twentytwofiftyseven (talk) - Per All. This page takes like 5 minutes to be rendered after each edit.
8. Walkazo (talk) - Per Stooben. It'll be nice to be able to read about beta elements without my computer crashing halfway through loading the page. Smaller articles are also easier to organize, maintain and patrol.
9. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! I like this idea very much, it is big hassle to load up the entire beta element page, the whole article is packed, and soon enough there will be to many games in that article which can make it hard to load. Zero signing out.
10. Yoshario (talk) – Per Stooben Rooben.
11. Grandy02 (talk) – Per Stooben.
12. FunkyK38 (talk) Definitely a good idea. Per Stooben.
13. MC Hammer Bro. (talk) Per above.
14. Coincollector (talk) - Buena idea Stoob.
15. lewa159 (talk) - Per all, and who whould oppose?
16. Marioguy1 (talk) - The new article looks great! So do the sub-articles, if it doesn't do something bad it must do something good! Per um...that guy!
17. T.c.w7468 (talk) Per all, the article is too big, and splitting them up would be easier to navigate as well. I can't believe no one thought of this earlier.
18. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) It's a win-win no matter what happens. It will help shorten that long list, and keep it more organized. Also, if it doens't work, we could change it back (which I don't think will ever happen). I'm supporting this big time!
19. Timmy Tim (talk) Per all, but what's the longest page?
20. Ben Kitsune (talk) Per all, wholeheartedly!
21. Duplibumpty (talk) Per all.
22. Luigi3000 (talk) Per all I was just about to add a proposal about this but you beat me to the punch!
23. Fairy Red (talk) That page is very hard to navigate. I can't find the game's beta elements I'm looking for sometimes. D: A split to make it more organized, yes, do it!
24. Electrobomber (talk) I agree, it is incredibly long. I'd be happy to help with this!
25. KingMario (talk) Per all.
26. Gamefreak75 (talk) Per all.
27. Dry Paratroopa (talk) Per all.
28. Paper Yoshi (talk) Per Stooby. The Beta Elements page needs to be better organized.
29. Crackin355 (talk) *Read all of the above*
30. Mariofan459 (talk) Per all. Now THIS, is a great organization idea.
31. era64 (talk) I written this sometime in discusion for this article: "On my PC the scrolling slow down. Propably because these all PM:TTYD beta things. Can somebody split this?"
32. 4DJONG (talk) It needs to explain what a beta element is because if a newbie goes to the wiki and finds that page and doesn't know what a beta element is and he/she has to ask somebody who knows what it means, and it should just explain what a beta element is on the page.
33. Master Lucario (talk) Per all.

Comments

I think it would be better to have a catagory with a link to the sub-pages. Betaman (talk)

It's still necessary for us to describe what exactly a beta element is, though; so the article should stay. That said, we could add a Template:Fakelink to those sub-pages. -- Stooben Rooben (talk)

Could something similar be done for the Glitches article? Of course it's only half as big as the Beta elements article, but... that's still big. - Edofenrir (talk)

Good point. They're pretty similar in nature, so if we want to be consistent, we should probably split both pages. - Walkazo (talk)

I completely forgot about the Glitches page. :O Yeah, it'd be a good idea to split that page too. Thanks for pointing that out! -- Stooben Rooben (talk)

I totally agree with this proposal but (just throwing this out there)couldn't we just merge the beta elements with the game page (since many glitches and beta elements are strewn about the trivia sections of the games anyways). Just an idea... MC Hammer Bro. (talk)

Theoretically, while that could work, it has been mentioned that for some games, having a section devoted entirely to Beta Elements are several pages long in and of itself. It would simply just be easier to create a separate section completely devoted it per each game if the section of the game was too long. HOWEVER, if the article in question was a stub, then, yeah, I could see the reasoning behind that. Ben Kitsune (talk)

Mario Baseball Special swings/pitches

The Mario Super Star Baseball special pitches and swings are in the same article (Peach's Heart Swing and Heart Pitch are under Heart Ball while on the Slugger's page, the character bios list them separately. The Slugger's special pages are being made right now and I'm wondering of the pitches and swings should also be merged into one page like the MSSB ones or if the MSSB's should be split.

Propeser: MC Hammer Bro. (talk)
Deadline: October 7th, 2009 17:00PM

Split

1. MC Hammer Bro. (talk) I think they should be split because one is an offensive special and one is defensive.

Continue like the other pages

1. Super Paper Mario Bros. (talk) – Although this sounds ideal, they are moves in the same game that are related to the character. If we split everything based on offensive and defensive, this article would be a good candidate for splitting, and it is rather small as of now. We would end up with little stublets if we split these articles.
2. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) S.P.M.B. has a good point. Lately, even I, would likes to have articles split, been merging them. We already have enough stubs right now, and we definitely don't need stublets.
3. Knife (talk) - Per Super Paper Mario Bros.
4. Stooben Rooben (talk) — Per SPMB.
5. Marioguy1 (talk) - Per SMB (who I refuse to call SPMB)!
6. Yoshario (talk) – Per all.
7. Gamefreak75 (talk) - Per all.
8. Mariofan459 (talk) - Per SPMB and BMB.

Comments

The pages have already been made, and someone made a really nice template for them (I think it might've been Edofenrir), but the Super Sluggers Star Swings are just as important as the Mario Power Tennis Power Shots. I made almost all of them, and they are good pages, in my opinion, and they haven't been deleted or made fun of, so I think they should stay. FunkyK38 (talk)

Mario Power Tennis has a set of offensive shots and defensive shots as well, but the differences are much greater. Mario's offensive power shot uses a hammer while his defensive shot is a spin jump. Just compare each character's shots and you'll note the difference. However the pitches and swings are not so different. Mario fires up the ball and speeds it up in both, Peach turns the ball temporarily invisible in both, etc..--Knife (talk) 22:31, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

We don't need to have separate articles for the pitches, those were already in the first Mario baseball game. I'm just saying that the swings are different, and they have different effects. FunkyK38 (talk)

Per FunkyK38. I think we already have a template for every Star Swing name. If there isn't, that should be a new proposal. Mariofan459 (talk)

Changes

Change FA removal of votes rules

Well, if you have seen the Luigi nomination page, it is full of votes from the kind of "ZOMG LUIGI PWNS!!!" which are not valid reasons, and to remove them, we must go throught the sloooow process of getting 5 votes to remove them, which is as slow as annoying. So I propose any admin has the right to remove those votes who do anything but help. Who supports?
Proposer: Tucayo (talk)
Deadline: Tuesday, October 13th. 17:00

Get rid of those votes and keep our diplomatic level

1. Tucayo (talk) - Per me.
2. Edofenrir (talk) - Instant per for Tucayo.
3. Super Paper Mario Bros. (talk) Per all. I think it is the administrators' duty to keep our wiki protected, I feel it is within their responsibilities to remove this kind of support for articles that are not complete. Although, we could just oppose the nomination overall and it wouldn't matter how many support votes there are.
4. Cobold (talk) I agree.
5. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Luigi wouldn't be a featured article any time soon, but I think the fan votes are a waste of space and should get stopped immediately.
6. Gamefreak75 (talk) Per all.
7. FunkyK38 (talk) Users should have a good reason to vote, not LUIGI PWNS! Per Tucayo.
8. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Although sometimes not all the time I would consider that an actual vote, your right there needs to be a good reason why the article should go up. Zero signing out.

Comments

Is it even allowed to remove supporting votes? The last time I tried that, SPMB reverted my removal votes and said it isn't valid. - Edofenrir (talk)

I'm just wondering, but what happens if you had a valid reason to vote, but the administrators removed it anyway? - BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

Leave the admin a note on his/her talk page I'd assume. - Edofenrir (talk)

Miscellaneous

None at the moment.