MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived. A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed with the signature code ~~~(~). How To Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at: Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm) Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm) Sunday: 15:00 (3pm) Every vote should have a reason accompanying it. At any time a vote may be rejected if at least three active users believe the vote truly has no merit or was cast in bad faith. However, there must be strong reasons supporting the invalidation. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line. At the deadline, the validity of each vote and the discussion is reviewed by the community. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM" All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a sysop, the proposer can ask for that help. The times are in EDT, and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after school, weekend nights). So for example, if a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is indeed a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours. CURRENTLY: 08:46, 26 May 2024 (EDT) New Features None at the moment. Removals Use of the Term "Clone" With the release of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, several users have been arguing and editing back and forth regarding the inclusion of the blanket, fan-made term "clone" in the character articles. The opposition argues that it is a fan term of no solid definition. Its use encourages assumptions on the part of both the readers and editors rather than granting support to in-depth discriptions of fighting styles. The support argues that it is legitimate, pervasive term understood by all and applicable as long as characters share special moves. Proposer: Stumpers! Deadline: March 25, 2008, 17:00 Remove "Clone" From Articles Stumpers! 18:55, 18 March 2008 (EDT) The use of a fan term on a Wiki that prides itself on using only official sources is questionable. Additionally, there is no set definition that all fans agree on. One can see this by looking at the SSB Wikia, our Wiki, and the Smash Wiki... but that's been merged wtih SSB Wikia now. If you click the links, you'll see that some sources (us!) only consider it to be a clone if the character is exactly the same while others (them) consider a character to be a clone if they are neaerly identical. Therefore, the use of the term brings misinformation, as what the writer intends by using it is not going to be what the reader interprets it as. Also, no character has ever been "exactly the same" -- so our definition is wrong to begin with. BLOC PARTIER. Yeah, per Stumpers. "Clone" is not a good term, unless it has been officially stated by Nintendo or The makers of the game. My Bloody Valentine Its not official, its meaning is debatable, it just shortens the articles. Its worthless. MisterJaffffey G0 Proposals Per everyone. HyperToad Per Stumpers. Not only is it a fan-made term, but Wolf ang Luigi and a few others' status as "clones" are debatable. Blitzwing (talk · gnome work) Per everyone. Heck, I was the first user to point out that Clone is unofficial. Booster -- Purely a fan-made term. Get rid of it. — Stooben Rooben Per Stumpers. And, it's no different than a conjectural term. Walkazo - Per all. Princess Grapes Butterfly Per Stumpers I agree with him. Wa TC@Y – Per all, it's not big deal, fan terms often sneak their way in. Jdrowlands (talk) Per everyone. Include "Clone" Trogga - It's much easier to say "Y is a clone of X" than "Y has a similar moveset to X's". Comments I'm not sure on which side to take on this one just yet. There is a debate about whether it is a genuine fan-term or not. Some say that Sakurai said something of the sort, specifically describing the characters that were very similar. Hard to say, though. Marcelagus (T • C • E) One of the most confusing clone acts is with Mario and Fox. According to fan base, they each have 2 clones. These are Dr. Mario, Luigi, Falco, and Wolf. They are all diffrent, but people consider them to be clones. The answer? They're not clones! They're distinctly diffrent, so they shouldn't be labeled "clones". MisterJaffffey G0 Proposals Sorry, but wolf is not a clone. McWolf Hey, Stumpers, you spelled "legitimate" wrong. I corrected it. ;) BLOC PARTIER. Thanks. I expanded on my vote (didn't touch the proposal!), btw, so make sure you're still "per Stumpers"! Stumpers! 22:46, 18 March 2008 (EDT) Looks good. I'm even more "Per Stumpers" now! :P BLOC PARTIER. All right! Stumpers! 00:17, 20 March 2008 (EDT) Comic Subpages Lately, many Users have had a habit of creating sprite comics based on the sprites of other Users. While this, itself, is OK on its own, many Users have also created subpages to have people sign up for these comics. To quote Blitzwing, "I think we should get rid of all those 'SIGN-UP ON MY COMIC!!!!1!' subpages on Mariowiki, that kind of thing just doesn't have a place on an encyclopedia." Therefore, I propose the elimination of these subpages. Proposer: Chaos NEEDS MOAR NINJI Deadline: March 26, 2008, 17:00 Delete Comic Sign Up Subpages Chaos NEEDS MOAR NINJI I'm the proposer. BLOC PARTIER. Yup. The sign up pages are a waste of time and space. Using the talk pages would be much better. Per above. (And you spelled "place" wrong, so I fixed it. Just so you know.) Palkia47 Delete 'em. At least have a type of link to Userpedia to sign up. The sign-ups are kinda annoying going through pages, and so on. The Mario wiki part of this shouldn't be used for that stuff. It should stay on Userpedia. SJ derp :P ~Uniju(T-C-E) This is the MarioWiki, a place for Mario info, not sprite comics based on websites based on video games based on plumbers. Wa TC@Y – comic signup should go on the talk page of the comic subpage Cobold (talk · contribs) - Per Wayoshi, and only him. Generally, user page content shouldn't have restrictions. Marcelagus (T • C • E) - I misunderstood the proposal :P. Per Wayoshi. I thought it was saying to delete comic subpages themselves. Jdrowlands (talk) Per Wayoshi. — Stooben Rooben As long as it's ONLY for the removal of sign-up pages. GreenKoopa - Comments or questions? · Keeping the comic pages is a stretch; the signups being destroyed is a given. Theres a place for wiki fandom; Its a maaaagical place called:USERPEDIA. Keep Comic Sign Up Subpages Comments Well, comics are a great part in the MarioWiki. It's fun to create, sign up, and read. I mean, where else would people ask to sign up for their comic? What's the downside of comic subpages? Marcelagus (T • C • E) Userpedia and the forums can easily be used for the same purposes. Comics make the Wiki look unprofessional, and, as Blitz said, they just don't belong. Chaos NEEDS MOAR NINJI They make the wiki look unproffesional? Couldn't the same thing be said for user pages? I mean, is that really a good reason to get rid of them? And "They Just Don't Belong" is a nonsensical reason. Marcelagus (T • C • E) The ``wiki`` part should only be an encyclopedia, not a social network! IT's bad enough that most of the users only do User talk-page edits and don't contribute to the encyclopedia, we don't need to allow these guys even more ways of wasting our database space. Userpage are OK - They are made to makes yourself know and gives info about you and your contribution on the wiki, Comic sub-page are just... pointless. --Blitzwing 20:44, 19 March 2008 (EDT) Blitz, there is no possible way to stop users editing user talk pages. Besides, we have plenty of database space. It's not like "Oh no! Only 14 more pages left!" or anything. Also, Comic pages are to express your creativity in a humorous way, and to have fun with it. I think they are important enough to stay on the wiki. This isn't Wikipedia. It's a wiki about games. It doesn't have to be super-proffesional. But that's just my opinion. Marcelagus (T • C • E) Garlic Man has a good point, but I guess having a section in your talk page would also be fine. CrystalYoshi Isn't that what Userpedia is for? SJ derp :P Yep. --Blitzwing 17:52, 20 March 2008 (EDT) Um, not everyone knows about usepedia. I learned about it a day or to ago. It's not in the welcome template or anything. CrystalYoshi Geez, Blitz, never thought you'd go THAT far in trying to keep us from having fun. Anyway, will COMICS THEMSELVES have to go? Like my MW Alliance page? 3D, dang it's gonna be hard to move my comic article. Uh, I didn't make the proposal complain to Ninji. --Blitzwing 21:01, 20 March 2008 (EDT) We're just talkin' about taking the comic stuff off of Mario Wiki, not Userpedia. It should be there anyway. Oh, I've got a question. Could we have a way of telling members about Userpedia? SJ derp :P Well, Userpedia is unofficial and unaffiliated to Mariowiki. Maybe it could be linked in the rules for Userspace/user sub-page/whatever. --Blitzwing 21:11, 20 March 2008 (EDT) Userpedia is unaffiliated to the Mariowiki? I thought all long it was... I guess I was wrong :P. Anyway, doesn't this mean we have to get rid of the comics on userpages too? Marcelagus (T • C • E) Yes, because that is what Userpedia is for. NOT Mario Wiki. SJ derp :P Uh, no. --Blitzwing 13:03, 21 March 2008 (EDT) All this about userpedia! How did all you find out that there is a userpedia? I stumbled upon it by going to InfectedShroom's comic, and I don't really understand what it's about. So if there's no way for users to find out about userpedia, you can't just say "That's what userpedia is for." CrystalYoshi 16:37, 21 March 2008 (EDT) Generally, you may have on your user page what you want. Wayoshi's solution seems the best - Comic sign up pages should be on the talk pages of the actual comic subpages, not somewhere else. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 13:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT) Sorry, everyone! I totally misunderstood the proposal! I thought it was saying that saying there should be no more comic subpages. So, yes, now that I understand, it's sorta pointless to have a seperate page just to sign up, yes. Marcelagus (T • C • E) I wonder if all supporters are voting for the same thing. What will happen when the proposal passes? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:41, 21 March 2008 (EDT) We need to make this more clear. I'm guessing this means: All comics still on wiki = deleted. All comic sign-ups on wiki = deleted. I'm not voting; it's already a landslide. Sorry for yelling atcha, Blitz. ._. 3D, HOT BLEEP! Well, then it's definitely not what I, Wayoshi and Garlic Man put our votes on the support side for. - Cobold (talk · contribs) 08:17, 22 March 2008 (EDT) Isn't the wording quite clear? "Therefore, I propose the elimination of these subpages." Thus, no deletion of comics, no deletion of comic sign-ups in general, only elimination of sign-up subpages. Time Questions 08:24, 22 March 2008 (EDT) We add them here so that MW exclusive user can sign up on them. HyperToad It helps them be bigger. When you have a quote in a quote, you use ' instead of ". I fixed it for you. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shyguy27 (talk). OK, this proposal is for the removal of ALL comics. ALL OF THEM. INCLUDING things like MW Alliance and Glitchman's series. Time Q, please add a sub-category for keeping comics themselves. 3D, halp halp Splits & Merges Food Awhile ago, I believe Blitzwing (talk) made a proposal regarding the notabilty of the article: Cheese. Although I agreed with him on some points, my opinion went to keeping the article. Anyway, while giving my opinions, I suggested a List of Real World Foods in the Mario Series article, which, as long as it would be, would probably help this wiki. Chesse, for example could easily be merged into a list, just like any Pokemon could be on the Pokemon article. Proposer: HyperToad Deadline: March 26, 2008, 17:00 Merge Them HyperToad My reasons given above. Keep Them Time Questions: So this proposal would merge all "Real World food" into one article, regardless of its importance in the Marioverse? I'm against that; you have to decide about each article separately. Stumpers! Definately not. Then, Peach, Banana, Melon, etc, etc, etc would also be merged. Can you give us a list beyond "cheese" that you're thinking of? Cobold (talk · contribs) - I don't think it makes sense making a general decision like that just to eradicate the cheese article. There is much different food in the Paper Mario series and in Super Mario Sunshine which has its right to their own article, just because cheese is controversial, it doesn't mean that we should get rid of something else. — Stooben Rooben Per Stumpers and Cobold. It just seems like too much effort for something that'll make things more confusing. Booster - Not a good idea. Many Real World foods serve as actual items with their own legit pages. Besides Cheese, what foods are you thinking of? Hangyaku no SnackuSaibu - Per Booster. Princess Grapes Butterfly Per all Comments HyperToad, please explain your proposal. As Stumpers said, according to your current explanation, we'd also need to remove articles like Watermelon, which makes no sense at all. Time Questions 07:07, 20 March 2008 (EDT) Hmm... The opposers have a point... Someone convince me one way or the other. BLOC PARTIER. Ok, I'll try! I think the thing with the lists was that all the articles were stubs. Now, compare that with Cheese, Banana, Peach (item). Stumpers! 18:20, 20 March 2008 (EDT) Maybe there could be "list of minor real world foods in the marioverse. CrystalYoshi Maybe, but then you get into how you define minor, etc. The reason I'm okay with all of the "implied" pages is that the subject in question is never seen, so it's a clear boundry. What definition would you like to use? Stumpers! 18:46, 21 March 2008 (EDT) Okay, I suppose a Bananna has usefulness. To tell the truth, I knew there were others out there (foods), but I couldn't think of any. Pretty stupid to make a proposal then, huh? Anyway, I think articles just as Melons, despite having a role in the Marioverse, could still be merged. We don't give sperate pages for Ashley and Red, (not trying to argue about that) despite the fact that they are inportant character, just not enough for two articles. In addition, I agree with Blitzwing consearing inplied characters. HyperToad But we do have enough to say about Melons. There's no point in merging it. (Perhaps we could merge all those differently-colored Watermelons, but this is not the place to discuss that, I think. (And HyperToad, please check your links, "Bananna" leads to nowhere.)) Time Questions 07:56, 22 March 2008 (EDT) Changes None at the moment. Miscellaneous None at the moment.