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1. I'd like to reiterate what I said in my vote that the name was used in two separate tweets (and reiterated by official accounts on other social media sites). The proposer's claim that it only came from one tweet is plainly false.<br>2. @Waluigi Time, those tweets are the only official movie-adjacent material to namedrop Spinies. It doesn't matter that the movie creators' didn't come up with it, all that matters is that there is no other source (higher-priority or otherwise) to call them something else for the movie. For that matter, I disagree with how Scuttlebug's and Crowber's names are handled in info related to NSMB2, especially given how that's inconsistent with the treatment other [[Skewer#Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns_.2F_Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns_3D|subjects]] [[Pokey_Head#Super_Mario_Sunshine|receive]]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:44, January 4, 2024 (EST) | 1. I'd like to reiterate what I said in my vote that the name was used in two separate tweets (and reiterated by official accounts on other social media sites). The proposer's claim that it only came from one tweet is plainly false.<br>2. @Waluigi Time, those tweets are the only official movie-adjacent material to namedrop Spinies. It doesn't matter that the movie creators' didn't come up with it, all that matters is that there is no other source (higher-priority or otherwise) to call them something else for the movie. For that matter, I disagree with how Scuttlebug's and Crowber's names are handled in info related to NSMB2, especially given how that's inconsistent with the treatment other [[Skewer#Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns_.2F_Donkey_Kong_Country_Returns_3D|subjects]] [[Pokey_Head#Super_Mario_Sunshine|receive]]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:44, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ||
: The Skewers in Donkey Kong Country Returns aren't actually Skewers, they're Skewer-like objects. Also, in the Japanese version of Sunshine, Pokey Heads were called Sanbo Headdo there. PRIMA's strategy guide for Galaxy 2 was referring to them by their actual Japanese translations. Also, it was determined for Crowbers that PRIMA was just using a generic term (I don't count the Scuttlebug because even MP7 called them Spiders). [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 16:26, January 4, 2024 (EST) | : The Skewers in Donkey Kong Country Returns aren't actually Skewers, they're Skewer-like objects. Also, in the Japanese version of Sunshine, Pokey Heads were called Sanbo Headdo there. PRIMA's strategy guide for Galaxy 2 was referring to them by their actual Japanese translations. Also, it was determined for Crowbers that PRIMA was just using a generic term (I don't count the Scuttlebug because even MP7 called them Spiders). [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 16:26, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ||
::"The Skewers in Donkey Kong Country Returns aren't actually Skewers [...]" Skewers in general are borderline generic obstacles, they just happen to have a largely consistent design between | ::"The Skewers in Donkey Kong Country Returns aren't actually Skewers [...]" Mario-franchise Skewers in general are borderline generic obstacles, they just happen to have a largely consistent design between games. Nobody objected to listing DKCR shafts on the Skewer page when it underwent the feature nomination process, and that's because they look like skewers, act like skewers, hurt the player like a skewer, therefore, for all intents and purposes, they're as much the skewers you see in Mario platformers as [[Frog]]s are frogs. The Pokey Head/Sanbo Head observation is splitting hairs--"Sanbo Head" is a direct, unadapted translation of their Japanese name so I don't really see your point. "it was determined for Crowbers that PRIMA was just using a generic term" If "crow" was a generic term and not, like, treated like a proper noun or something, fine--that is not what happened with "Spiny Shells" Spinies, however, as those 2 tweets gave them a different, but very much legit for all we know, name. As I said below, calling it an error is largely subjective. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:17, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ||
:It's exactly the same situation as the NSMB2 Prima Guide though, which is what I'm getting at, and just because it hasn't been applied to similar situations yet doesn't mean it can't be. (Neither of the examples listed are perfectly comparable though, Skewers never appeared in a DK game before and it's a different design, and Pokey Head was introduced with an erroneous name rather than being well-established and having a goof - whether that's extended to Pokeys as a whole is another can of worms.) Our views on this seem to be completely incompatible though so I don't see a need to personally discuss it any further. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:35, January 4, 2024 (EST) | :It's exactly the same situation as the NSMB2 Prima Guide though, which is what I'm getting at, and just because it hasn't been applied to similar situations yet doesn't mean it can't be. (Neither of the examples listed are perfectly comparable though, Skewers never appeared in a DK game before and it's a different design, and Pokey Head was introduced with an erroneous name rather than being well-established and having a goof - whether that's extended to Pokeys as a whole is another can of worms.) Our views on this seem to be completely incompatible though so I don't see a need to personally discuss it any further. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:35, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ||
::And yet, "spiders" and "Spiny Shells" being perceived as errors is subjective and unencyclopedic. A fan liberty. People in this proposal are using that line of thinking to argue against the highest-priority official sources that exist for these works, [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Remove_.22Koopa.22_and_other_name_particles_from_Koopaling_article_titles|but that is par for the course on Super Mario Wiki]]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:59, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ::And yet, "spiders" and "Spiny Shells" being perceived as errors is subjective and unencyclopedic. A fan liberty. People in this proposal are using that line of thinking to argue against the highest-priority official sources that exist for these works, [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/60#Remove_.22Koopa.22_and_other_name_particles_from_Koopaling_article_titles|but that is par for the course on Super Mario Wiki]]. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:59, January 4, 2024 (EST) | ||