Talk:Vivian

Gender

Okay, I think we need to discuss her gender before making another overhaul, as it is tedious to search out every pronoun and replace them. Here are the problems as I see them:

• 'They' is not proper grammar for referring to one person. It may be acceptable in colloquial speaking English, but never in written English.
• 'She' is a problem, because in the original Japanese version Vivian is not a girl. (Proof?)
• 'It' is unacceptable when referring to people. "It" is demeaning and insulting, and should never be used when referring to a person. (And is often frowned upon when referring to a pet/animal when the gender is knownn)
• S/he, or he/she is cumbersome, as is writing Vivian over an over again.

I hope we can resolve this quickly, as it is a very petty thing to argue over. Goomb-omb

I feel 'it' is only insulting when it, lol pun?, is intended to be insulting. 'They' is not necessarily improper in speech, but here I see what you mean. S'he or he/she is worse than writing the name constantly. FD09

Wait, how did we handle this with Birdo's article? We should do the same with this one, as I really haven't seen any complaints about Birdo's page yet. -Moonshine

We used Birdo's name a lot and 'it'.FD09

Lol, there are some complaints about Birdo's article. Birdo is currently referred to as "it"--which I don't think is appropriate for Vivian. Goomb-omb