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 ::Additionally, given it's been stated that Conker and Banjo are not the same "universe," it could just as easily be said that these are a ''different'' Banjo and Conker. Both franchises broke the fourth wall all the time, and ''Nuts & Bolts'' metaphorically demolished its foundation. The continuity for that game and every game in each of these franchises is essentially multiple-choice; note that ''Banjo Pilot'' simply ''can't'' fit into that frranchise's continuity due to its inconsistencies. Regardless, as I said, it's multiple choice, so trying to say "same universe" when they officially aren't is disingenuous at best. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:10, August 8, 2020 (EDT)
 :::Did you read Glowsquid's second-to-last paragraph? Even if Banjo and Conker did share the same "universe" with Mario that wouldn't be a good reason to cover their franchises in full on the Mario Wiki since they don't regularly interact with the rest of the series. Unlike Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario, who were specifically created for the Mario series and regularly continue to appear in Mario games along with characters who first appeared in those spinoffs like Kamek and Diddy Kong, Conker hasn't appeared in a single Mario-related game since he first appeared in Diddy Kong Racing, and it took Banjo over two decades to appear in another game alongside Mario characters. And like Doc said, Banjo and Conker weren't created for Diddy Kong Racing, they were included as "special guests" and it became their first appearance by a scheduling fluke. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:29, August 8, 2020 (EDT)
+"This can not be compared to "cameos" or "Smash Bros" because those are two wildly different things." I mean, if you had actually checked out the link I posted, you'd have seen someone responded to Seavor with a pic of the Diddy Kong Racing character select screen, to which he respond with [https://twitter.com/GoryDetail/status/1241110643408867328 Are all these from the same universe?"]" and a pic of the SSB Ultimate character select screen. Which indicates that, at least from the position of Conker's creator (and if he isn't qualified to speak about what Conker's fictional universe relates to, who is?), they're infact, The Same Thing.
+Also, I'm writing this not because I think it'll convince our anon friend over here (it certainly won't) but because it's something I have thought about and it's something I want to refer back to when there are future talks about coverage, and basically I want to expand on what I said about "casting too wide of a net". And the ''tl:dr'' of it is: The wiki isn't ''really'' about the "Mario fictional unviverse", or rather it's not primarily about that, and rather it is about ''Mario'' and its derived (and partner) series as a real-word media franchise.
+One of our policy page (I think it was Chronology?) had a statement among the lines "We must remember that [[Donkey Kong (Game)|Donkey Kong]] is the root of everything we created" and while worded in a corny way, the gist still holds true. The Mario and Donkey Kong characters debuted in the arcade game, Mario soon became popular and spawned a big media franchise, which the wiki is ostensibly about. Then, a good decade later, the Donkey Kong character (actually a separate character, but irrelevant in IP terms and a distinction Nintendo does not always strictly adher to) was rebooted with his own successful video game that did away with pretty much all the old arcade trappings and was distinct from the Mario games of the time. And certainly one could say, ''Donkey Kong'' (or more precisely ''Donkey Kong '''Country''''') is a franchise in its own right and shouldn't be seen as a spin-off subordinate to the Mario series - that's a very fair and valid opinion, but, the shared origin in the 1981 arcade means it make some sense for a website that call itself "Super Mario Wiki" to also document Donkey Kong stuff. Likewise with Wario, Yoshi etc. who created ''for'' Mario games, were major actors in those and then spawned their own franchise with varying degress of cross-reference back to the "main" Mario franchise.
+I gave Rhythm Heaven as an example of things going too far: Rhythm Heaven was not created as a spin-off to WarioWare, or anything else. It started as its own thing (albeit with some quick nods to WarioWare as a result of its shared staff and style), and slowly over time, the two franchises would increasingly reference each-other. But while you can say RH and WW are set in the same fictional universe, you '''can't''' reasonably say Rhythm Heaven is a "Mario spin-off", and retroactively making articles for all the Rhythm Heaven games and characters would be a weird and messy leap to make. And by that process, neither are Banjo or Conker.  --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 17:26, August 11, 2020 (EDT)