Talk:Junior (II)

has anyone ever thought of the fact that if donkey kong jr. is the present-day donkey kong that this one (if it's a girl) is candy kong
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Koopatrol24 (talk).

Candy Kong's not pink. - Walkazo 18:19, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

In Mario Tennis for the n64, Donkey Kong Jr's alternate outfit depicts his fur as being pink.

should this be added to the video game appearances?

YoshiDaisy fan1

Yes, definitely! Add it to the Appearances, but say how the "Pink Donkey Kong Jr." is actually normal Donkey Kong Jr. in that instance. This Pink DK Jr. should also be mentioned on the Mario Tennis page, as well as the section in the DK Jr. article that deals with MT64. - Walkazo 18:56, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

I gotta do some research because I have a hunch that the pink coloration is some last-minute mistake, but it's just a hunch on no grounds whatsoever. Zero777 (talk)

Don't worry, I added it! Shy Guy (The guy with the mask.) (talk) 14:24, 11 April 2014 (EDT)Shy Guy

Merge Pink Donkey Kong Jr. to Donkey Kong Jr.

This talk page section contains an unresolved talk page proposal. Please try to help and resolve the issue by voting or leaving a comment.

Current time: Wednesday, May 29, 2024, 10:44 GMT

Has the end times finally come?

Anyway, I believe this article should be merged with Donkey Kong Jr.. Why? Here's some of my reasons:

• This character is unnamed and serves solely as a player 2, similar to Luigi. Unlike Luigi, however, it appears ONLY as player two in more of a game-convenient way and doesn't appear on, say, artwork or anything else.
• Multiple colored versions of characters usually appear as playable characters in many games. Case in point: the Marios in Mario Bros., the Luigis in Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, the playable characters in Mario Golf 64, the playable characters in Smash Bros. etc. This character falls under that scope and doesn't really deserve its own article, and so should be listed as an alt color to the main character rather than receive its own article.

Proposer: Baby Luigi (talk)
Deadline: December 13, 2014, 23:59 GMT.

Support

1. Baby Luigi (talk)

Oppose

1. Toadbrigade5 (talk) I bet 5 dollars I'll be the only one opposing(Like 99% of the time) but Pink Donkey Kong Jr. seems to be a different case. In my opinions, recolors would should have their own pages, but Pink Donkey Kong Jr. seems like more than a recolor. That and there weren't such things as recolors back in those days. But hey, just my two cents.
2. Aokage (talk) He's listed as a separate character in the manual.
3. 3D Player 2004 (talk) per all.
4. Zakor1138 (talk) Per Aokage. I looked up the instruction manual, and he's listed as a separate character called Junior (II).
5. Boo4761 (talk) Per Aokage.
6. Madz the Penguin (talk) After thinking for a few minutes, I'm going to say no. The manual says he (or she) is a different character. The policy says we have to listen to the manual if the game doesn't say anything about it. I'm not going against the policy.
7. SuperYoshiBros (talk) Per the manual, of course.
8. Time Turner (talk) Regardless of my opinion on whether or not he deserves an article, the article should not be merged to Donkey Kong Jr.'s, simply because there's no actual affiliation or connection between the two of them besides the palette swap. The pink one isn't something that emerges from DKJr, like the Crystal King and the Crystal Bits (though honestly I think that could be looked over); it's a clearly-separate entity.

Comments

NO

NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO --Glowsquid (talk) 16:15, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Glowsquid, is that an oppose, or what?Toadbrigade5 (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2014 (EST)

@Toadbrigade and Time Turner: I disagree. To me, Pink Donkey Kong Jr. seems more to be a convienience for a tacked-on feature who isn't advertised on the box. Luigi however, is advertised as Mario's brother directly on the getgo, hence the title, "Mario Bros.". This character, however, doesn't even have a name and has practically zero affiliation with Donkey Kong Jr. anyway other than he competes as a recolor of him, very similar to the Marios from Mario Bros. Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:29, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Convenience or not, the pink DK Junior is still a character. Also, you've brought up a good opposing point: he has zero affiliation with the actual DKJ, so why merge them together? However, the Mario Bros. is a good countercounterpoint, since the recolored Marios play the same role as the recolored DKJ... I'll redact my vote for now. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

The zero affiliation thing is a result of my poor wording. What I mean by this is that, he's literally like the Mario Bros. clones. If he was lamp-shaded, MAYBE he might deserve his own article, but he's not and he's there without any sort of explanation whatsoever, much like the colored Luigi's from Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon. Do we make pages on the colored Luigi's? No, we don't. Also...this point you made:

• The pink one isn't something that emerges from DKJr, like the Crystal King and the Crystal Bits (though honestly I think that could be looked over) is actually a good point to KEEP this article the way it is, even though it's supposed to be a counter-point. Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:08, 29 November 2014 (EST)

The point I'm trying to make is that merging it to Donkey Kong Jr. is the wrong mode of operation. You've already made good points about other multiplayer counterparts, but I'm not the one that needs to be told that. Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by my point being a counter-point. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Like, it's a back-story of him being split-off from the original Donkey Kong Jr. or something. If that was the case, I wouldn't make this proposal. :P Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:14, 29 November 2014 (EST)

@Aokage: Really? I like a reference to that. Ray Trace^(T|C) 19:29, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Here's a scan of the page in the manual where he is listed as a separate character. [1] ----Zakor1138 (talk) 20:30, 29 November 2014 (EST)

The I and II identifiers are for the sake of convenience, and they're in parentheses. Notice how the manual also labels the controllers as I and II. This isn't any different when several manuals for Mario Bros. (especially the remade ones in the Super Mario Advance series) also designate numbers for each different-colored Mario. Pink Donkey Kong Jr. is essentially the duplicate player 2 character you see so frequently in older games. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 21:00, 29 November 2014 (EST)

It calls him "Junior (II)" which still makes me skeptical about him being his own character; it does not reference him anywhere else as his own character. Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:00, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Looked up a Super Mario Advance manual. The Mario's are mentioned as just palette swaps, and the numbers refer to which player is controlling them. Compare with "Junior (II)" where he is shown as being unique alongside the other Donkey Kong Jr., a Nitpicker and Donkey Kong. Zakor1138 (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Junior (II) looks like the Roman numeral also refers to the player who controls them as well. I'm sure the Mario palette swaps are mentioned like this in the Super Mario Advance manual the same way the Donkey Kong Jr. is portrayed here. If the manual referred to Junior (II) a bit more, I'd might oppose this but it doesn't. Ray Trace^(T|C) 21:16, 29 November 2014 (EST)

I already looked up the Super Mario Advance manual. It's not the same, it actually refers to the other Mario's as just colors. The numbers only refer to which player controls what Mario color. (P1, P2, P3, P4) Zakor1138 (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2014 (EST)