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 == Move this page to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)" ==
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+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-15|do not move}}
 Here's a quick recap. The [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] began with ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'', followed by early ''Super Mario''-branded games, and received a new game called ''[[VS. Wrecking Crew]]'', the first game in the [[Wrecking Crew (series)|''Wrecking Crew'' series]], and eventually, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', the first game in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, also known as simply the ''Super Mario'' series. The ''Super Mario Bros.'' series is so popular, that it received multiple platformers (with ''[[Super Mario Land]]'' being the first ''Super Mario Bros.'' game whose name starts with ''Super Mario'', an alternate name for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series), followed by the [[Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 25th Anniversary]] from September 13, 2010 to January 10, 2011, the [[Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 30th Anniversary]] from April 1, 2015 to December 2015, and the the [[Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 35th Anniversary]] from September 3, 2020 to March 31, 2021. Since the ''Super Mario'' franchise article and the ''Super Mario'' series article may be confusing and/or unclear, I was wondering if there's a possibility to move "''Super Mario'' (series)" to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)".
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 By the way, to everyone who want to create page for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, the [https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/article/6e4c7b40-bd33-4556-8ec3-0c865904ef13 official list of (most likely mainline) games in SMB series] just came out. {{User:Blhte/sig}} 23:34, September 12, 2023 (EDT)
 :That includes ''Land'' but not ''Land 2'', and ''Land'' itself is debatable since it doesn't have Luigi even implied; it also lacks SMW2, which aside from the English super-title in the final, was also called "Super Mario Bros. 5" internationally until fairly late in development from what I can tell. Are you sure that's the ''Bros.'' series and not just select ''Super Mario'' games? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:40, September 12, 2023 (EDT)
-::Sorry again I just saw "Here are some side-scrolling action games from the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series" now... That's might means some of them were not mentioned? But I think expect SML2 everyone in mainline was here {{User:Blhte/sig‎}} 00:12, September 13, 2023 (EDT)
+::Sorry again I just saw "Here are some side-scrolling action games from the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series" now... That's might means some of them were not mentioned? But I think expect SML2 everyone in mainline was here {{User:Blhte/sig}} 00:12, September 13, 2023 (EDT)
 :::NSMB2 was also neglected, they were just giving examples. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:43, September 13, 2023 (EDT)
+==Memoryman3==
+We do know now that ''Super Mario Run'' and the ''Super Mario Maker'' series don't count as mainline Super Mario Bros. games by Nintendo's own definitions. Should we categorise the games as 2D, 3D and then Other?--[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 08:06, October 6, 2023 (EDT)
+:There are four subseries here: ''Super Mario Bros.'' (itself including the ''Super Mario Advance'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' subseries), ''Super Mario Land'', ''Super Mario 3D'' (including the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' subseries), and ''Super Mario Maker''. ''Run'' is the odd one out; I had it categorized as a ''Bros.'' game until Nintendo themselves said ''Wonder'' is the first fully-new one in so-and-so years. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:11, October 6, 2023 (EDT)
+:::Nintendo includes the ''Super Mario Land'' games as part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series nowadays, even if many elements weren't naturalised into other games. I would categorise ''Run'', ''Mario 35'' and the ''Maker'' series in other for now, acknowledging they aren't traditional fully fledged entries as Nintendo did, but still recognising them as parts of the greater ''Super Mario'' series. What should we do with the related games, namely ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' and ''Super Mario Land 3''? --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 12:32, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
+::::When has ''Land'' been treated as a ''Bros.'' game rather than just another ''Super Mario'' side-scroller (as the thing brought up in the comments on the proposal was determined to be the latter)? ''Capt. Toad'' I'd say is a spinoff of ''3D World'', but still more of it's own "series" (counting the remake) than an actual subcategory of ''Super Mario''. And since ''35'' is a variation on the original ''Super Mario Bros.'', it'd be considered part of that series regardless, like ''Super Mario Bros. Special'', albeit not as a "main" installment. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
+:::::On that very same link pointing to the official Nintendo news blog. ''Land'' was given as an example of a game in the main ''Super Mario Bros.'' series. --[[User:Memoryman3|&#32;memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 18:36, October 24, 2023 (EDT)
+::::::But not ''Land 2''. Or ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'', and it's definitely part of it. I think that's just a list of cherry-picked side-scrollers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:28, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+:::::::{{@|Doc von Schmeltwick|Memoryman3}} I'm currently making a ''Super Mario Franchise'' rewrite inspired by Doc's [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario Bros. (series)|series]] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario 3D (series)|projects]] & the various proposals on sub-series and whatnot. WIP project at bottom of userpage.{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:23, April 5, 2024 (CST)
+== Is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island also a Super Mario series game? ==
+{{talk}}
+We know that it's obviously a Yoshi game starring Mario, but when I saw a [[:File:Mario Day 2023 NSO.jpg|particular image]], I began to wonder if it could also count as a ''Super Mario'' platforming game. The ''Super Mario Advance'' games also has ''Super Mario'' 2D sidescrollers for the Game Boy Advance, except the third game ''[[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3]]'' is a remake of ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''. Both the original and remake have "''Super Mario''" in their name, so it's definitely part of the ''Super Mario'' brand, but is it linked to the ''Super Mario'' sidescrolling platformers? The Japanese name also has "''Super Mario''" (スーパーマリオ, ''Sūpā Mario'') as the first part of the title, followed by ''Yoshi's Island'' (ヨッシーアイランド, ''Yosshī Airando''). [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 11:37, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+:It was actually subtitled ''Super Mario Bros. 5'' in development. So while it may or may not be a ''Super Mario'' game, it absolutely is a ''Super Mario '''Bros.''''' game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:26, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
+::Said image also lists Super Mario Advance 4, which is in the "Ports, remakes, and compilations" section, NOT the Main Games section. We'd have to add that as well. But then we'd have to deal with everything else in that section. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 09:39, January 31, 2024 (CST)
+== Link issues ==
+Link 4 is broken, and links 5, 8, and 9 are the same. I personally lack the technical knowhow to be able to fix this so I figured I'd alert other people on the wiki.{{unsigned|66.30.148.99}}
+:Can you be more specific? What and where is link 4 etc? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:20, November 9, 2023 (EST)
+::They're referring to the references, they're fixed now. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 20:21, November 9, 2023 (EST)
+== Main series ==
+I included ports in the Main series section, which where officially confirmed as part of it on the Super Mario Bros. - 35th Anniversary page. But where should games like Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario All-Stars be? -[[User:Big Super Mario Fan|Big Super Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Big Super Mario Fan|talk]]) 02:18, May 13, 2024 (EDT)
+:Uh, source? [[:File:SuperMarioBros35thAnniversary - Game Collection.jpg|This image with all the Japanese releases of Super Mario games]] certainly includes no remakes, ports or collections, and neither do these [[Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary#Games|"This is MY Mario" images]]. [[Gallery:Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary#History of Mario|History of Mario]] includes several games from the ''entire Super Mario franchise'', including ''Mario Kart'' and ''Mario Party'', and similarly, [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/history/index.html the History page on the official Mario Portal] includes ALL titles from the entire ''Super Mario'' franchise; so those say nothing. And [https://mario.nintendo.com/history/ the History page on the official ''Super Mario'' website] only includes the three most recent rereleases, so I'm not sure if that counts either. Even then, it's better safe to keep ports/rereleases separate from mainline titles anyway. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:49, May 18, 2024 (EDT)