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#{{User|PowerKamek}} Per all. | #{{User|PowerKamek}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|BabyLuigi64}} We actually [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 41#New Article|did have a proposal about this]]; Per all opposing reasons there. | #{{User|BabyLuigi64}} We actually [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 41#New Article|did have a proposal about this]]; Per all opposing reasons there. | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Been mulling this over since I was on the fence, but yeah, gonna listen to my gut and vote "no" on this, like how I opposed the past proposals. The ''NSMB'' games are no more different than the other 2D platformers as ''SMB2'' (except graphically, but as seen in ''Super Mario Maker'', that's pretty superficial), and certainly not more different than when you compare the ''SM64''-type games to ''SMB'' etc. And most worrisomely to me it that it opens the door to iffier subseries pages being made too, and even the splitting of History sections, which we emphatically don't want; the "there's already a subseries page" argument gives the pro-splitters a foot in the door, and will probably led to ''more'' attempts due to the perceived inconsistency between the series pages and the organizational aspect of the wiki: better to be consistent. And upon further consideration, we ''don't'' actually have an example of a completely nested subseries getting its own page, so this ''would'' be a new precedent: ''SML'' is separate from both ''SM'' and ''WL'', thanks to ''YI'', ''SMA'' is not completely contained within ''SM'', and while there ''are'' separate ''DKC''/''DKL'' series pages despite them being grouped together in History sections (but not [[Template: | #{{User|Walkazo}} - Been mulling this over since I was on the fence, but yeah, gonna listen to my gut and vote "no" on this, like how I opposed the past proposals. The ''NSMB'' games are no more different than the other 2D platformers as ''SMB2'' (except graphically, but as seen in ''Super Mario Maker'', that's pretty superficial), and certainly not more different than when you compare the ''SM64''-type games to ''SMB'' etc. And most worrisomely to me it that it opens the door to iffier subseries pages being made too, and even the splitting of History sections, which we emphatically don't want; the "there's already a subseries page" argument gives the pro-splitters a foot in the door, and will probably led to ''more'' attempts due to the perceived inconsistency between the series pages and the organizational aspect of the wiki: better to be consistent. And upon further consideration, we ''don't'' actually have an example of a completely nested subseries getting its own page, so this ''would'' be a new precedent: ''SML'' is separate from both ''SM'' and ''WL'', thanks to ''YI'', ''SMA'' is not completely contained within ''SM'', and while there ''are'' separate ''DKC''/''DKL'' series pages despite them being grouped together in History sections (but not [[Template:Donkey Kong games|templates]] or categories currently), there's no umbrella page (the overall ''DK'' series is more like the overall ''Mario'' series page). And to a lesser extent I tand by my final argument [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_41#New_Article|in the]] older [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_39#Changes_to_the_sub-series_sections|proposals]], in that we should focus on making extant series pages less crappy, rather than piling on redundant new ones to neglect. | ||
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} – I really don't like creating new articles just for the sake of creating new articles, which is what this seems to be all about. Furthermore, the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games are not that much more different from the mainline ''Super Mario'' games. If your argument that they differ enough is that the titles in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' series contain [[Star Coins]], plot twist, ''[[Super Mario World]]'' already had a [[Dragon Coin|similar mechanic]], whilst ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' also had [[Ace Coin|specific coin]]s that could be collected in a similar fashion. Furthermore, the inclusion of [[Red Coin]]s in ''[[Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]]'''s [[Super Mario Bros. Deluxe#Challenge|challenge mode]] further cements my belief that the creation of a ''New Super Mario Bros.'' series page is absolutely unnecessary. I would also write something about how the categorisation of these new pages, and how this would open the floodgates for new series pages to be created, but it appears that Walkazo has already illustrated opinions that are similar to my own in this instance, so I have to say per Walkazo on those points. | #{{User|RandomYoshi}} – I really don't like creating new articles just for the sake of creating new articles, which is what this seems to be all about. Furthermore, the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' games are not that much more different from the mainline ''Super Mario'' games. If your argument that they differ enough is that the titles in the ''New Super Mario Bros.'' series contain [[Star Coins]], plot twist, ''[[Super Mario World]]'' already had a [[Dragon Coin|similar mechanic]], whilst ''[[Super Mario Advance]]'' also had [[Ace Coin|specific coin]]s that could be collected in a similar fashion. Furthermore, the inclusion of [[Red Coin]]s in ''[[Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]]'''s [[Super Mario Bros. Deluxe#Challenge|challenge mode]] further cements my belief that the creation of a ''New Super Mario Bros.'' series page is absolutely unnecessary. I would also write something about how the categorisation of these new pages, and how this would open the floodgates for new series pages to be created, but it appears that Walkazo has already illustrated opinions that are similar to my own in this instance, so I have to say per Walkazo on those points. | ||
#{{User|Boo4761}} Per all, especially Pi, Chocolate Mario, Walkazo, and BabyLuigi64. | #{{User|Boo4761}} Per all, especially Pi, Chocolate Mario, Walkazo, and BabyLuigi64. | ||
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Should Super Mario Maker be considered a mainstream game? It has the standard platforming and "Super Mario" in the name, but the levels are primarily user-generated. I wanted to get the community's opinions on the subject before adding it.--[[User:MarioManTAW|MarioManTAW]] ([[User talk:MarioManTAW|talk]]) 11:06, 22 April 2016 (EDT) | Should Super Mario Maker be considered a mainstream game? It has the standard platforming and "Super Mario" in the name, but the levels are primarily user-generated. I wanted to get the community's opinions on the subject before adding it.--[[User:MarioManTAW|MarioManTAW]] ([[User talk:MarioManTAW|talk]]) 11:06, 22 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
:I think it's better off as a miscellaneous game. For starters, there's no official narrative in the game whatsoever; whereas every single mainstream Mario platformer has one. Super Mario Land has more in common than Super Mario Maker, and that has standard platforming and ''Super Mario'' in its name too, but we don't consider it part of the mainstream series. The user-generated content and primary focus around level creation is enough for it to be different than the mainstream ones, and I think there's too much debate whether it constitutes as one, so there's also that. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 11:48, 22 April 2016 (EDT) | :I think it's better off as a miscellaneous game. For starters, there's no official narrative in the game whatsoever; whereas every single mainstream Mario platformer has one. Super Mario Land has more in common than Super Mario Maker, and that has standard platforming and ''Super Mario'' in its name too, but we don't consider it part of the mainstream series. The user-generated content and primary focus around level creation is enough for it to be different than the mainstream ones, and I think there's too much debate whether it constitutes as one, so there's also that. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 11:48, 22 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
::For what it's worth, there has been a few [[ | ::For what it's worth, there has been a few [[Template talk:Super Mario games#Super_Mario_Maker_is_part_of_the_main_series|relevant]] [[Talk:Super_Mario_Maker#Request_to_move_page_from_the_.27Miscellaneous.27_to_.27Super_Mario_series.27|discussions]] on this. It's been argued that the series should be part of the mainstream games because of its name and gameplay, and it's listed alongside other similar games in the anniversary booklets (but ''Super Mario Land'' stuff is there too, and we don't group ''Super Mario Land'' for various reasons). On the other hand, this deviates strongly from the other mainstream games just by being a level maker tool thing rather than a traditional game, so you could make a case for that too. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:06, 22 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
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== Include ''Super Paper Mario'' as a related game == | == Include ''Super Paper Mario'' as a related game == | ||
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Since the ''Peach'' one ended up being divisive, I want to try with something that in retrospect, seems far more obvious to consider related: ''Super Paper Mario'', which as TCRF rather aptly described it, is (intentionally) "a high-speed collision between ''Super Mario Bros.'' and ''Paper Mario''." The sidescrolling ''Super Mario'' aspects are utterly intrinsic to SPM, unlike, say, the Green Energy Plant scene in ''Color Splash'', which was just a neat cameo for a single section of the game. Anyways, the similarities here are too many to list and honestly should be obvious to anyone who's played the game. | Since the ''Peach'' one ended up being divisive, I want to try with something that in retrospect, seems far more obvious to consider related: ''Super Paper Mario'', which as TCRF rather aptly described it, is (intentionally) "a high-speed collision between ''Super Mario Bros.'' and ''Paper Mario''." The sidescrolling ''Super Mario'' aspects are utterly intrinsic to SPM, unlike, say, the Green Energy Plant scene in ''Color Splash'', which was just a neat cameo for a single section of the game. Anyways, the similarities here are too many to list and honestly should be obvious to anyone who's played the game. | ||
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#{{User|Hewer}} Even if the platforming sections are inspired by ''Super Mario'', so are most of the games in this franchise. I agreed on ''Super Princess Peach'' since it's a full-fledged platformer, isn't part of another sub-series, and has the role-reversal thing, but I'd say this is going a bit too far. | #{{User|Hewer}} Even if the platforming sections are inspired by ''Super Mario'', so are most of the games in this franchise. I agreed on ''Super Princess Peach'' since it's a full-fledged platformer, isn't part of another sub-series, and has the role-reversal thing, but I'd say this is going a bit too far. | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Jazama}} Per all | |||
#{{User|Mustard Machine}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Hard no. This is getting out of hand, and as I've pointed out before, '''TONS''' of games originating from Japan use "Super" in the title. This is no exception, as the game (and its apt title, so to speak) functions more as a callback to the series, not a direct relation to the series itself. | |||
===Comments=== | |||
A little of a challenge question: how does Captain Toad qualify but not Super Paper Mario? From a narrative standpoint, yeah it's off-shooty, but gameplay wise, it's an entirely different game, whereas Super Paper Mario DOES rely on the standard Mario formula as part of the gameplay, moreso than Captain Toad. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 03:39, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Captain Toad Treasure Tracker was directly derived from Super Mario 3D World, more specifically the Captain Toad levels from that game. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 04:33, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
There's one thing we should admittedly acknowledge: both ''Super Princess Peach'' and ''Super Paper Mario'' are almost certainly named like this to reflect the inspiration they take from the ''Super Mario'' series, this being particularly evident in ''Super Paper Mario'' where the platforming elements become a core part of the gameplay, especially when facing enemies. I think the biggest problem lies in what is a related game to begin with - a game straightly derived from the series like ''Yoshi's Island'' and especially ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker''? A game that takes inspiration from the series to then offer its own gameplay like ''Super Princess Peach''? A game of a different series that is much more heavily influenced by the ''Super Mario'' series in the gameplay like ''Super Paper Mario''? I think we should first try to give an answer to these and other questions and try to define a little what is a related game, if that's possible (which is not a given). By the way, the official sources - namely the ''Mario Portal'' - [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/character/mario/archives/ ''do'' put ''Super Mario Bros. 35'' in the ''Super Mario'' series], so we need to review what is written in the introductory paragraph of that section as well.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:07, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:Games derived from the series are what I would go for. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 10:14, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::I would say that what's currently used here - games that directly use gameplay from other games in the series or are marketed with a connection to one (and I mean explicitly, not just having "Super" in the title) - is adequate. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 21:56, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::In that case, SPP ''should'' be considered, since it is both functionally and visually an SMA series offshoot. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:21, April 20, 2022 (EDT) | |||
I think we ought to have a close look at the games that are currently on the list. | |||
*Super Mario Bros. Special - I admit I never heard about this one but from what I saw about it seems to be based on the original Super Mario Bros. | |||
*Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic - Served as the basis of Super Mario Bros. 2. | |||
*Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 - (Disclaimer: I have not played this one myself) Direct follow-up from Super Mario Land 2. | |||
*Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - Titled as a sequel to Super Mario World, and has a Super Mario Advance remake. | |||
*New Super Luigi U - One big add-on for New Super Mario Bros. U with the same world map and bosses. | |||
*Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker - Based on the Captain Toad levels from Super Mario 3D World. The Wii U version serves as a prequel to that game and even has four levels ported from it (albeit slightly redesigned to work with Captain Toad); the Switch version prequels Super Mario Odyssey and the 3D World levels are replaced with ones based on the Odyssey kingdoms. | |||
*Super Mario Bros. 35 - (Never played this one either) An online version of the original Super Mario Bros.<br> | |||
Note that all of these games have some form of connection to a game that is part of the main series, whereas Super Princess Peach and Super Paper Mario don't in this regard. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 16:48, April 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Mario Run Main Series Game? == | |||
Why is Mario Kart Tour not classified as a main series Mario Kart game, yet Mario Run is considered a main series platformer? This should be consistent in terms of categorization. {{unsigned|Ladishchap}} | |||
:It's because the two articles are organized differently. Mario Kart series is organized by platform (console, arcade, mobile, RC) while the Super Mario series is organized by main games, ports, remakes, related games, and so on. Now, why is it the case, probably due to Mario Kart series being in a better state than this one as well as less confusing categorization going on. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 02:11, May 15, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== Move this page to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)" == | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-15|do not move}} | |||
Here's a quick recap. The [[Super Mario (franchise)|''Super Mario'' franchise]] began with ''[[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]'', followed by early ''Super Mario''-branded games, and received a new game called ''[[VS. Wrecking Crew]]'', the first game in the [[Wrecking Crew (series)|''Wrecking Crew'' series]], and eventually, ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'', the first game in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, also known as simply the ''Super Mario'' series. The ''Super Mario Bros.'' series is so popular, that it received multiple platformers (with ''[[Super Mario Land]]'' being the first ''Super Mario Bros.'' game whose name starts with ''Super Mario'', an alternate name for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series), followed by the [[Super Mario Bros. 25th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 25th Anniversary]] from September 13, 2010 to January 10, 2011, the [[Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 30th Anniversary]] from April 1, 2015 to December 2015, and the the [[Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary|''Super Mario Bros.'' 35th Anniversary]] from September 3, 2020 to March 31, 2021. Since the ''Super Mario'' franchise article and the ''Super Mario'' series article may be confusing and/or unclear, I was wondering if there's a possibility to move "''Super Mario'' (series)" to "''Super Mario Bros.'' (series)". | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': September 21, 2023, 23:59 GMT | |||
===Support=== | |||
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal | |||
===Oppose=== | |||
#{{User|Swallow}} "Super Mario" still appears to mostly be what Nintendo mostly calls the main series, for one thing a lot of the games don't have "bros" in the title and a lot of them, particularly the big 3D games revolve around just Mario. As for Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary, that's referring to it being the 35th anniversary of the original Super Mario Bros. game | |||
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - ''Super Mario Bros.'' is actually [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario Bros. (series)|a distinct subseries]] that does not include the ''Land'' games, the 3D games, or the ''Maker'' games. | |||
#{{User|ExoRosalina}} Per Swallow, I think both of them are franchise in the entire series, such as other mainline games. | |||
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Swallow, the main series sharing its name with the franchise is simply the way it is, even if it's somewhat confusing. There's also [[Donkey Kong (franchise)]] and [[Donkey Kong (series)]] for precedent. | |||
#{{user|Blhte}} Another little thing is, [https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000068687.html "The first completely new installment in the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series in nearly ''11'' years"], that's what the promotional material for SMBW confirmed itself. | |||
#{{User|Pseudo}} Per Swallow and Blhte. | |||
#{{User|RealStuffMister}} this would imply that spin-offs like Mario Party, Mario Kart and the sports games are all part of the "Super Mario Bros. series", the line of 2D platformers. It makes no sense and goes against what Nintendo has said themselves. | |||
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} - Per everybody else, but especially Swallow. There's games that Nintendo classifies as parts of this series that flat-out do not have the word "Bros." in them. See the ''Maker'' games, the ''Land'' games, the 3D Platformers, and most importantly ''[[Super Mario World]]''. | |||
#{{User|Sdman213}} Definitely Per all. | |||
#{{User|ToxicOJ}} Per all, especially Swallow, Doc von Schmeltwick, and Blhte. | |||
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|Mateo}} Per my comment, Blhte, and Nintendo themselves. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. | |||
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} *cough* *sigh* yeah we could definitely have a Super Mario Bros. series article but only for actual SMB games... *sigh* | |||
#{{User|Killer Moth}} Per all. | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
If you're declining the move, then what do you think a better way is to do? {{User:GuntherBB/sig}} 12:34, September 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:Just leave it as is. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 12:37, September 8, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:We could try having an ''additional'' page for the actual ''Super Mario Bros.'' series I linked above (along with other subseries), but that still needs the kinks ironed out. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:28, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
Just want to clarify so that there's no misunderstandings about this in the future: The official distinction Nintendo made in the previously mentioned [https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000068687.html page] (English equivalent [https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/nintendo-direct-june-2023-recap/ here]) and the also relevant [https://mario.nintendo.com/history/ official timeline] is that ''all'' mainline games starting with ''Super Mario Bros. 1'' are part of the ''Super Mario'' series, while the traditional full-fledged 2D ''Mario'' games (not ''Super Mario Maker'' and ''Super Mario Run'') are part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series. [[User:Mateo|Mateo]] ([[User talk:Mateo|talk]]) 18:53, September 12, 2023 (EDT) | |||
By the way, to everyone who want to create page for the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series, the [https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/article/6e4c7b40-bd33-4556-8ec3-0c865904ef13 official list of (most likely mainline) games in SMB series] just came out. {{User:Blhte/sig}} 23:34, September 12, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:That includes ''Land'' but not ''Land 2'', and ''Land'' itself is debatable since it doesn't have Luigi even implied; it also lacks SMW2, which aside from the English super-title in the final, was also called "Super Mario Bros. 5" internationally until fairly late in development from what I can tell. Are you sure that's the ''Bros.'' series and not just select ''Super Mario'' games? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:40, September 12, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::Sorry again I just saw "Here are some side-scrolling action games from the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series" now... That's might means some of them were not mentioned? But I think expect SML2 everyone in mainline was here {{User:Blhte/sig}} 00:12, September 13, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::NSMB2 was also neglected, they were just giving examples. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:43, September 13, 2023 (EDT) | |||
==Memoryman3== | |||
We do know now that ''Super Mario Run'' and the ''Super Mario Maker'' series don't count as mainline Super Mario Bros. games by Nintendo's own definitions. Should we categorise the games as 2D, 3D and then Other?--[[User:Memoryman3| memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 08:06, October 6, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:There are four subseries here: ''Super Mario Bros.'' (itself including the ''Super Mario Advance'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' subseries), ''Super Mario Land'', ''Super Mario 3D'' (including the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' subseries), and ''Super Mario Maker''. ''Run'' is the odd one out; I had it categorized as a ''Bros.'' game until Nintendo themselves said ''Wonder'' is the first fully-new one in so-and-so years. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:11, October 6, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::Nintendo includes the ''Super Mario Land'' games as part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series nowadays, even if many elements weren't naturalised into other games. I would categorise ''Run'', ''Mario 35'' and the ''Maker'' series in other for now, acknowledging they aren't traditional fully fledged entries as Nintendo did, but still recognising them as parts of the greater ''Super Mario'' series. What should we do with the related games, namely ''Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker'' and ''Super Mario Land 3''? --[[User:Memoryman3| memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 12:32, October 10, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::When has ''Land'' been treated as a ''Bros.'' game rather than just another ''Super Mario'' side-scroller (as the thing brought up in the comments on the proposal was determined to be the latter)? ''Capt. Toad'' I'd say is a spinoff of ''3D World'', but still more of it's own "series" (counting the remake) than an actual subcategory of ''Super Mario''. And since ''35'' is a variation on the original ''Super Mario Bros.'', it'd be considered part of that series regardless, like ''Super Mario Bros. Special'', albeit not as a "main" installment. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::::On that very same link pointing to the official Nintendo news blog. ''Land'' was given as an example of a game in the main ''Super Mario Bros.'' series. --[[User:Memoryman3| memoryman3]] ([[User talk:Memoryman3|talk]]) 18:36, October 24, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::::But not ''Land 2''. Or ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'', and it's definitely part of it. I think that's just a list of cherry-picked side-scrollers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:28, October 27, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::::::{{@|Doc von Schmeltwick|Memoryman3}} I'm currently making a ''Super Mario Franchise'' rewrite inspired by Doc's [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario Bros. (series)|series]] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick/Projects/Super Mario 3D (series)|projects]] & the various proposals on sub-series and whatnot. WIP project at bottom of userpage.{{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 13:23, April 5, 2024 (CST) | |||
== Is Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island also a Super Mario series game? == | |||
{{talk}} | |||
We know that it's obviously a Yoshi game starring Mario, but when I saw a [[:File:Mario Day 2023 NSO.jpg|particular image]], I began to wonder if it could also count as a ''Super Mario'' platforming game. The ''Super Mario Advance'' games also has ''Super Mario'' 2D sidescrollers for the Game Boy Advance, except the third game ''[[Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3]]'' is a remake of ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''. Both the original and remake have "''Super Mario''" in their name, so it's definitely part of the ''Super Mario'' brand, but is it linked to the ''Super Mario'' sidescrolling platformers? The Japanese name also has "''Super Mario''" (スーパーマリオ, ''Sūpā Mario'') as the first part of the title, followed by ''Yoshi's Island'' (ヨッシーアイランド, ''Yosshī Airando''). [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 11:37, October 27, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:It was actually subtitled ''Super Mario Bros. 5'' in development. So while it may or may not be a ''Super Mario'' game, it absolutely is a ''Super Mario '''Bros.''''' game. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:26, October 27, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::Said image also lists Super Mario Advance 4, which is in the "Ports, remakes, and compilations" section, NOT the Main Games section. We'd have to add that as well. But then we'd have to deal with everything else in that section. {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 09:39, January 31, 2024 (CST) | |||
== Link issues == | |||
Link 4 is broken, and links 5, 8, and 9 are the same. I personally lack the technical knowhow to be able to fix this so I figured I'd alert other people on the wiki.{{unsigned|66.30.148.99}} | |||
:Can you be more specific? What and where is link 4 etc? {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:20, November 9, 2023 (EST) | |||
::They're referring to the references, they're fixed now. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 20:21, November 9, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Main series == | |||
I included ports in the Main series section, which where officially confirmed as part of it on the Super Mario Bros. - 35th Anniversary page. But where should games like Super Mario 64 DS and Super Mario All-Stars be? -[[User:Big Super Mario Fan|Big Super Mario Fan]] ([[User talk:Big Super Mario Fan|talk]]) 02:18, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:Uh, source? [[:File:SuperMarioBros35thAnniversary - Game Collection.jpg|This image with all the Japanese releases of Super Mario games]] certainly includes no remakes, ports or collections, and neither do these [[Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary#Games|"This is MY Mario" images]]. [[Gallery:Super Mario Bros. 35th Anniversary#History of Mario|History of Mario]] includes several games from the ''entire Super Mario franchise'', including ''Mario Kart'' and ''Mario Party'', and similarly, [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/history/index.html the History page on the official Mario Portal] includes ALL titles from the entire ''Super Mario'' franchise; so those say nothing. And [https://mario.nintendo.com/history/ the History page on the official ''Super Mario'' website] only includes the three most recent rereleases, so I'm not sure if that counts either. Even then, it's better safe to keep ports/rereleases separate from mainline titles anyway. {{User:Arend/sig}} 13:49, May 18, 2024 (EDT) | |||