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 ==Dont deleat!==
-Dont deleat the "for a list of charecter quotes see [[List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series]] " It needs to be there so that List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series has links leading to I'm not saying dont edit it I'm just saying leave the link. [[User:Dark boo|Dark boo]] [[Image:Dark_Boo_TTYD.PNG|35px]]
+Dont deleat the "for a list of charecter quotes see [[List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series]] " It needs to be there so that List of Quotes in the Mario Golf Series has links leading to I'm not saying dont edit it I'm just saying leave the link. [[User:Dark boo|Dark boo]] [[Image:PMTTYD Dark Boo Sprite.png|35px]]
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 Mario Golf (N64) is the only game I know of where Mario is unlockable. I think we should point that out in the article. {{User|Why Bother}}
-== Move Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) to {{fakelink|Mario Golf 64}} ==
+== Move Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) to {{fake link|Mario Golf 64}} ==
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+{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|leave as it is}}
 The same as Mario Tennis for the Nintendo 64. It would be better so we don't get confused with the others in the series.
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 '''Deadline''': November 1, 2011, 23:59 GMT
-===Move to {{fakelink|Mario Golf 64}}===
+===Move to {{fake link|Mario Golf 64}}===
 #{{User|Tails777}} Per me
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 #{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per all.
 #{{user|Walkazo}} - We use official names for our articles, and that would be "Mario Golf", not "Mario Golf 64".
+#{{User|Magikrazy51}} And that's why we have disambiguation pages. And it's not like they're all called Mario Golf (that would be stupid of Nintendo). Per all.
+#{{User|Propeller Toad}} It might be nice; however, note that Mario Golf 64 is not the official name for this game. Mario Golf is, so therefore we must keep the name as it is.
+#{{User|Toad85}} See my reply in the Mario Tennis proposal.
 ===Comments===
 This proposal had the same problem as the other one did; the mainland United States would have the deadline on October 31, but GMT has it at November 1. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
+== Golf as the initial Mario Golf game? ==
+OK I'm a bit doubtful whether Golf is the intial Mario Golf game, and I don't think it is the case, because of the following points: the first, Golf was part of a series of Sport games released for the Famicom which also included games like Baseball, Soccer (Football), Ice Hockey, Tennis, etc., other wise Tennis or Soccer (Football) would been the first game in the Mario Tennis and Maro Strikers seies (well Mario isn't in the latter but is a referi in Tennis). Second, these game in their original Japanese releases didn't use Mario to sell (even if he appeared in a cameo like the former Tennis), something NOA did, who exploited Mario's image to make in boxarts and manuals to make this games commercial in the western. Third, as such, the golfer in the original game is not Mario but someone called Ossan (middle age man), you are considering this a game of the Mario Golf series just because NOA affirmed the golfer is Mario but in Japan it isn't, then we enter in a conflict here (Ossan's appearance is also verificated on Captain Rainbow). NES Open Tournament Golf has more potencial being the first, or the precursor, game in the Mario Golf series because it is clear Mario is in the game.
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+== Considering NES Open Tournament Golf a "predecessor" ==
+While I concede that ''Golf'' and probably by extension ''Family Computer Golf'' are fairly predecessorial(?), ''NES Open Tournament Golf'' was called '''''Mario''' Open Golf'' in Japan and introducd the use of original humans who follow the ''Mario'' aesthetic, along with the more comprehensive gameplay regarding clubs. Sure, it was before Camelot, the Nintendo 64 game seems more like a logical progression of its ideas in the same way ''Toadstool Tour'' is to the N64 game. I think ''NES Open Tournament Golf'' should be considered the first game in the actual series, since before that is a little hazy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 04:06, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
+:It's kind of the same reason why ''Mario's Tennis'' is an indirect predecessor to the ''Mario Tennis'' series: the developer involved. The ''Mario Tennis'' and ''Mario Golf'' series are "direct" in the sense that they are all developed by Camelot. Similarly, the direct ''Mario Kart'' games are those developed in-house by Nintendo EAD, not by Bandai Namco (for the arcade games). This is how I understand it. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:27, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
+::[[Donkey Kong Country (series)|Devs change sometimes tho]] [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:49, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
+:::Yeah, I'm with Doc, a series isn't solely defined by its developers, Mario Party is another good example. That being said, a Mario golf game doesn't necessarily make a ''Mario Golf'' game. I'm unsure how to proceed here. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 19:04, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
+::::"a Mario golf game doesn't necessarily make a ''Mario Golf'' game" [[Talk:Mario Tennis (series)|That's exactly what I've been saying about ''Mario's Tennis''.]] <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 19:25, October 30, 2019 (EDT)
+:::::''Golf'' and ''Famicom Golf'' were just golf games that happened to star Mario (ambiguously in the first case). ''NES Open Tournament Golf'' was a ''Mario'' game centered around golf. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:54, October 31, 2019 (EDT)
+== Split ''Golf'' (series) from ''Mario Golf'' (series) as a predecessor? ==
+So the "predecessor/spinoff" list on this page is already a veritable series in its own right, with ''[[Golf]]'', ''[[Family Computer Golf: Japan Course]]'', ''[[Family Computer Golf: US Course]]'', and ''[[Mobile Golf]]''. From what I can see, the series name here is simply "''Golf''," with ''Mario Golf'' being in turn a spinoff of it. I think it perhaps should be its own article in the same manner as [[Famicom Grand Prix (series)|''Famicom Grand Prix'' (series)]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:42, July 5, 2023 (EDT)
+== Mario Golf series start ==
+The first "direct" installment of the Mario Golf series is Mario Golf for Nintendo 64 not NES Open Tournament Golf. This Was confirmed by Nintendo on Twitter.
+~~ [[User: Big Super Mario Fan]]
+:On [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/en/history/index.html Mario Portal's list of games], filtering for the Mario Golf series shows NES Open Tournament Golf (though it goes even further and also counts [[Golf: Japan Course]] and [[Golf: U.S. Course]]). I'd say that's more concrete evidence for its inclusion in the series than the [https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/1511978054410817538 tweet] being referred to here is evidence against, since it only somewhat vaguely says that Mario Golf 64 "teed off" the series.  The tweet still could make sense even if Mario Golf 64 isn't the first game in the series - it "teed off" the series in the sense of bringing it back to stay after a near-decade of no installments, and beginning the era of Camelot as the developer of the series. Anyway, I do think we should consider adding Japan Course and U.S. Course to the series to match Mario Portal. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 17:50, May 13, 2024 (EDT)