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If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com [[File:Paperjorgesp.png]] [[User:Paper Jorge|PJ]] | If anyone is wondering about the name it comes from GoNintendo.com [[File:Paperjorgesp.png]] [[User:Paper Jorge|PJ]] | ||
:How does it come from there? {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT) | :How does it come from there? {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT) | ||
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Saying she's resembles a White Mage seems too much of a stretch to me. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 17:25, 24 July 2007 (EDT) | Saying she's resembles a White Mage seems too much of a stretch to me. [[User:MamaWaluigi|MamaWaluigi]] 17:25, 24 July 2007 (EDT) | ||
== Princess? == | == Princess? == | ||
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In the Super Mario Galaxy thing at the end of the article it says she is a princess. Then should'nt we call her a princess?--[[User:Poponana2|Poponana2]] ([[User talk:Poponana2|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2014 (EST) | In the Super Mario Galaxy thing at the end of the article it says she is a princess. Then should'nt we call her a princess?--[[User:Poponana2|Poponana2]] ([[User talk:Poponana2|talk]]) 18:33, 4 February 2014 (EST) | ||
Of the four "Sources" that state she's a princess, two of them are from Prima guides which are NOT published by Nintendo, a 404 error, and an image that has nothing to do with Rosalina. Unless someone can find evidence that she's a princess this should be removed. --[[Special:Contributions/104.205.8.141|104.205.8.141]] 23:03, 31 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I believe the consensus on the Wiki is that, while Prima Guides are not published by Nintendo, they are officially endorsed by Nintendo and thus constitute an official source. And since there is no other official, conflicting evidence (something in Nintendo saying she isn't a princess), Prima guides still holds. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 01:46, 1 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
She is, Nintendo officially confirmed her royal status on the Mario Kart 8 website now reformed into the Mario Kart Deluxe Website, there it referred to Pink Gold Peach and Baby Rosalina as the "New Princesses" and "Piston Popping Princesses" which makes sense if Nintendo thought of their original counterparts Rosalina and Peach as Princesses SO if Rosalina really wasn't a princess, why would Nintendo refer to her infant clone as one? Think about that.--[[User:WaluigiWarrior|WaluigiWarrior]] ([[User talk:WaluigiWarrior|talk]]) 18:33, 4 August 2018 (EST) | |||
:This is an old conversation guys, one that was brought back up by myself down below. Prima is indeed official and licensed by Nintendo, btw. Respond to the later one, if you need to. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 25 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Rosetta or Rosalina? == | == Rosetta or Rosalina? == | ||
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==Concept Art: Keep or Delete?== | ==Concept Art: Keep or Delete?== | ||
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===Delete=== | ===Delete=== | ||
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#{{User:Crypt Raider/sig}} | #{{User:Crypt Raider/sig}} | ||
#Nintendo has claimed Prima to be their official guidebook partners. Therefore all Prima content is official and can be kept.{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:14, 9 January 2008 (EST) | #Nintendo has claimed Prima to be their official guidebook partners. Therefore all Prima content is official and can be kept.{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:14, 9 January 2008 (EST) | ||
# | #'''[[User:Paper Jorge|Paper Jorge! I give paper cuts so stand back!]]''' Per Knife. It's official art anyway, and it helps us find out more about Beta Rosalina. | ||
==Related to Peach== | ==Related to Peach== | ||
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But even though the dialouge is right, it's considered to be a "generic quote" and wouldn't make sense to post it on her page. The ones we have on there right now are the best ones worth mentioning in relation to Rosalina so far. :) --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 16:33, 7 October 2009 (EDT) | But even though the dialouge is right, it's considered to be a "generic quote" and wouldn't make sense to post it on her page. The ones we have on there right now are the best ones worth mentioning in relation to Rosalina so far. :) --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 16:33, 7 October 2009 (EDT) | ||
==Height?== | ==Height?== | ||
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== Identical articles == | == Identical articles == | ||
[[Rosalina]] and {{ | [[Rosalina]] and {{fake link|Princess Rosalina}} are exactly the same, but two different articles. Which one should be the main one? {{unsigned|EnPeached}} | ||
...Wut? {{ | ...Wut? {{fake link|Princess Rosalina}} is a redirect to [[Rosalina]]... :| {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}} | ||
== Long Quote Not Good == | == Long Quote Not Good == | ||
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:So the [[Gateway Galaxy]], [[Good Egg Galaxy]] and [[Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor]] are all in orbit around Mushroom World then, right? -- {{User|Son of Suns}} P.S. What do y'all make of those big Starman outlines on the surface of the planet? | :So the [[Gateway Galaxy]], [[Good Egg Galaxy]] and [[Bowser Jr.'s Robot Reactor]] are all in orbit around Mushroom World then, right? -- {{User|Son of Suns}} P.S. What do y'all make of those big Starman outlines on the surface of the planet? | ||
== Super Sluggers? == | == Super Sluggers? == | ||
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Sure, they look alike; Rosalina was DESIGNED to look like Peach! But, no, they're not related. -Isjee594 | Sure, they look alike; Rosalina was DESIGNED to look like Peach! But, no, they're not related. -Isjee594 | ||
I would avoid non-canon theories in this article, as cool as the idea might be. -Hateater12 | |||
:[[MarioWiki:Canonicity|There isn't an established canon in the Mario series]], but canon or not, this is still just hot air and nothing more. This is a really old discussion that's verging on forum talk, which is NOT allowed here. Read the green template at the top of this page for more information. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:19, 18 November 2014 (EST) | |||
Please watch these videos. They explain everything about how Rosalina fits into the story. | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWFuEH9HsA | |||
:We aren't adding any [[MarioWiki:Good writing#Reading between the lines|speculation]] that Game Theory provides, no matter how convincing they may seem. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:26, 5 January 2015 (EST) | |||
== Super Mario Galaxy 2 == | == Super Mario Galaxy 2 == | ||
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:What do you mean? Sorry, I'm stupid XD [[User:Sambiss|Sambiss]] | :What do you mean? Sorry, I'm stupid XD [[User:Sambiss|Sambiss]] | ||
:Oh! I just spoiled myself, Rosalina also appears at the end of the last galaxy, Grandmaster Galaxy. She appears at the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJWYFCutL0 and here's a screenshot for Mario Wiki: http://i496. | :Oh! I just spoiled myself, Rosalina also appears at the end of the last galaxy, Grandmaster Galaxy. She appears at the end of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJWYFCutL0 and here's a screenshot for Mario Wiki: http://i496.photocrapo.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/GrandmastergalaxyRosalina2.png . She will thanks the player for finding every stars of the game. Also, I noticed that in the cutscene before the last level(Boss of the sixth world, not the grandmaster one), a "comet" appeared in front of Bowser's Castle. That means she's doen't only appears in the ending...We should start writing that on her page. [[User:Sambiss|Sambiss]] [[User_talk:Sambiss|Talk]] 15:25, 24 May 2010 (EST) | ||
:Her role is kinda similar to Yoshi when he appeared in ''Super Mario 64''. {{User:Coincollector/sig}} | :Her role is kinda similar to Yoshi when he appeared in ''Super Mario 64''. {{User:Coincollector/sig}} | ||
:Well yeah, OH, I just found out, in the video posted earlier, that Rosalina, after collecting every stars, will join the others chatacters on the Starship Mario: http://i496. | :Well yeah, OH, I just found out, in the video posted earlier, that Rosalina, after collecting every stars, will join the others chatacters on the Starship Mario: http://i496.photocrapo.com/albums/rr330/Sambiss/MOARRosalinainSMG2.png That's cool in a way :) [[User:Sambiss|Sambiss]] [[User_talk:Sambiss|Talk]] 18:23, 25 May 2010 (EST) | ||
== Keep or not to keep? == | == Keep or not to keep? == | ||
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==Leave Category:Aliens in the Article== | ==Leave Category:Aliens in the Article== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|8-14|Remove category}} | |||
According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ''....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.'' | According to the Aliens category, Aliens are: ''....creatures from outer space, or otherwise not originally from Mushroom World or Earth.'' | ||
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==Super Mario 3D World== | ==Super Mario 3D World== | ||
Since I have the game, I'd add the details but it's a locked article. | Since I have the game, I'd add the details but it's a locked article. | ||
She is an unlockable character which is unlocked after World Star-2 is completed, and the game must be completed once to access World Star. {{unsigned| | She is an unlockable character which is unlocked after World Star-2 is completed, and the game must be completed once to access World Star. {{unsigned|TonyTheCanadian}} | ||
:Added. Thanks! {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:44, 24 November 2013 (EST) | :Added. Thanks! {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:44, 24 November 2013 (EST) | ||
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Check out The Game Theorists, he just did a two part video on Rosalina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C9&index=2 | Check out The Game Theorists, he just did a two part video on Rosalina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JcK_Bfe3sw&list=PL35FE5C4B157509C9&index=2 | ||
I think you will find the evidence very compelling. {{unsigned|SuperNovaXM}} | I think you will find the evidence very compelling. {{unsigned|SuperNovaXM}} | ||
:I think that it's unlikely that Lady Timpani and Blumiere are Rosalina's parents. You have some good points, though. I think it's safe to say that Rosalina's parents are going to stay unknown unless Nintendo gives more info on exactly who Rosalina's parents and her brother are. At any rate, Lady Timpani and Blumiere being Rosalina's parents is more likely than Peach and Mario being her parents (and Peach being "dead", for that matter), as many fans speculate (including the one in that video). It's very intriguing! -- [[User:FanOfRosalina2007|FanOfRosalina2007]] ([[User talk:FanOfRosalina2007|talk]]) 17:02, November 11, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Infobox image == | == Infobox image == | ||
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==Deciding Rosalina's Infobox Picture== | ==Deciding Rosalina's Infobox Picture== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-8|Image 1}} | |||
Recently, we have a slight edit war concerning Rosalina's infobox picture. Apparently, some of us are fine with the way she looks in the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' picture, otherwise, some of us want to change it because they see nothing wrong with it and besides, updating it to meet current games. I would like to stop this ridiculous edit war once and for all and settle this....like men (and women). | Recently, we have a slight edit war concerning Rosalina's infobox picture. Apparently, some of us are fine with the way she looks in the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' picture, otherwise, some of us want to change it because they see nothing wrong with it and besides, updating it to meet current games. I would like to stop this ridiculous edit war once and for all and settle this....like men (and women). | ||
Here are the two images: | Here are the two images: | ||
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Princess Rosalina Super Mario Galaxy.png|Image 1 | Princess Rosalina Super Mario Galaxy.png|Image 1 | ||
Rosalina Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png|Image 2 | Rosalina Artwork - Super Mario 3D World.png|Image 2 | ||
</gallery | </gallery> | ||
Which one do you think should represent Rosalina in the infobox? | Which one do you think should represent Rosalina in the infobox? | ||
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#{{User|KP}} Per all. | #{{User|KP}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} The latter image is more recent, but I prefer the former image because it captures her calm, reserved personality better. Plus, there are no particle effects around her, so it's generally a better image to illustrate her in my opinion. | #{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} The latter image is more recent, but I prefer the former image because it captures her calm, reserved personality better. Plus, there are no particle effects around her, so it's generally a better image to illustrate her in my opinion. | ||
#{{User|YoshiKong}} – The policy on {{tem|character | #{{User|YoshiKong}} – The policy on {{tem|character infobox}} clearly states that ''"if the latest artwork is specialized for that game (i.e. the character's wearing sporting gear, driving a kart, etc.), an older image may be retained as the infobox image instead."'' The latter Rosalina artwork is specialized for ''SM3DW'', and wouldn't be suitable for illustrating her character as a whole... | ||
#{{User|Whisperstar13}} My words have pretty much been spoken by others already - I just think that when she's a playable character in a game, they need to add more of a personality to her, one that branches off from the one she displays in her original game...If the purpose of the infobox image is to portray her overall character, I think ''Super Mario Galaxy'' would be better. | #{{User|Whisperstar13}} My words have pretty much been spoken by others already - I just think that when she's a playable character in a game, they need to add more of a personality to her, one that branches off from the one she displays in her original game...If the purpose of the infobox image is to portray her overall character, I think ''Super Mario Galaxy'' would be better. | ||
#{{User|Skittles}} Second one doesn't represent the character. I've already made quite a few points below in the comments. | #{{User|Skittles}} Second one doesn't represent the character. I've already made quite a few points below in the comments. | ||
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Should be added as a Downloadable Playable Character | Should be added as a Downloadable Playable Character | ||
{{unsigned| | {{unsigned|178.201.88.73}} | ||
:Considering that she isn't downloadable, but rather unlockable in that game it shouldn't. Do you mean [[Mario Kart Arcade GPX]]?{{User|Yoshi876}} | :Considering that she isn't downloadable, but rather unlockable in that game it shouldn't. Do you mean [[Mario Kart Arcade GPX]]?{{User|Yoshi876}} | ||
==Move [[Rosalina]] to [[Princess Rosalina]]== | ==Move [[Rosalina]] to [[Princess Rosalina]]== | ||
{{SettledTPP}} | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|2-17|Do not move}} | |||
So, I know that lots of users had proposed that, but once again I will propose it: Move Rosalina's page to ''"Princess Rosalina"''. I would say that because she '''is a princess''', and I'm not saying this because of her crown or even her dress. Her Super Mario Galaxy's bio states:{{br}}"Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. She is a great friend of the Luma, taking them in and caring for them as if they were her children. But there is a sadness behind her eyes. What has she lost out among the stars?" | So, I know that lots of users had proposed that, but once again I will propose it: Move Rosalina's page to ''"Princess Rosalina"''. I would say that because she '''is a princess''', and I'm not saying this because of her crown or even her dress. Her Super Mario Galaxy's bio states:{{br}}"Not much is known about Rosalina, the lonely princess who wanders the cosmos in the Comet Observatory, a giant starship that travels the celestial expanse. She is a great friend of the Luma, taking them in and caring for them as if they were her children. But there is a sadness behind her eyes. What has she lost out among the stars?" | ||
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::::Well nintendo normally likes to leave it upto the fans imagination, they hardly ever release any info on stuff like this or bother to make it. {{unsigned|94.14.123.173}} | ::::Well nintendo normally likes to leave it upto the fans imagination, they hardly ever release any info on stuff like this or bother to make it. {{unsigned|94.14.123.173}} | ||
:::::Unfortunately for fanon, this Wiki '''only''' covers officially confirmed information. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | :::::Unfortunately for fanon, this Wiki '''only''' covers officially confirmed information. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 21:48, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
::::::Rosalina looks like Peach because the developers of Super Mario Galaxy originally made Rosalina a relative of Peach, but they scrapped this idea. However, Rosalina does still look a little bit like Peach. This does not mean that they're sisters. -- [[User:FanOfRosalina2007|FanOfRosalina2007]] ([[User talk:FanOfRosalina2007|talk]]) 17:08, November 11, 2023 (EST) | |||
==Laura Faye Returns== | ==Laura Faye Returns== | ||
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It looks like a nightgown. {{unsigned|67.175.246.234}} | It looks like a nightgown. {{unsigned|67.175.246.234}} | ||
Is Rosalina's dress really a nightgown? {{unsigned|67.175.246.234}} | |||
==Decide Rosalina artwork== | ==Decide Rosalina artwork== | ||
{{ | {{SettledTPP}} | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|vetoed}} | |||
My proposal is simple: to decide what artwork should be used for Rosalina in her infobox at the top of the page. In a previous TPP, it was decided to use her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' (SMG) artwork, but it has been changed to her artwork from ''Mario Kart Arcade GP DX'' (MK). However, the artwork should be from her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background. The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the ''Mario Kart'' series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands. The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for ''Super Mario Galaxy'' should be used for her infobox. | My proposal is simple: to decide what artwork should be used for Rosalina in her infobox at the top of the page. In a previous TPP, it was decided to use her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' (SMG) artwork, but it has been changed to her artwork from ''Mario Kart Arcade GP DX'' (MK). However, the artwork should be from her ''Super Mario Galaxy'' appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background. The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the ''Mario Kart'' series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands. The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for ''Super Mario Galaxy'' should be used for her infobox. | ||
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'''Deadline''': November 23, 2014, 23:59 GMT | '''Deadline''': November 23, 2014, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Support=== | ===Support (''Super Mario Galaxy artwork'')=== | ||
#{{User|Mario7}} Per proposal. Also I think her SMG artwork looks better. | #{{User|Mario7}} Per proposal. Also I think her SMG artwork looks better. | ||
#{{User|Madz the Penguin}} Mario Kart GP DX was in America, I think. I think I saw it at an arcade or something. However, Rosalina is recognized by fans to be a princess of the Lumas, not a princess driving in a kart. We could either use her original artwork OR we could use her SSB4 artwork, because both represent Rosalina in a really popular game. | #{{User|Madz the Penguin}} Mario Kart GP DX was in America, I think. I think I saw it at an arcade or something. However, Rosalina is recognized by fans to be a princess of the Lumas, not a princess driving in a kart. We could either use her original artwork OR we could use her SSB4 artwork, because both represent Rosalina in a really popular game. | ||
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#{{User|3D Player 2004}} per all. | #{{User|3D Player 2004}} per all. | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose (''Mario Kart Arcade GP DX'' artwork)=== | ||
#{{User|Yoshi876}} Personally, I think the current image is fine. I see no issue with the white box, it still looks fine, and doesn't make the image look bad. And Rosalina's personality is more of a calm, mysterious person rather than a magical person which the current image demonstrates fine. And so what if ''Super Mari Galaxy'' is the "definitive game"? The infobox is not a popularity contest and so therefore "genre" has no baring on what goes in there. And why reference the previous TPP? Just because we decided on it that it should be kept then, doesn't mean it has to remain that way for all eternity. And to my final point in this, [[:Template:character infobox|policy]], which says "A representative image of the character - ideally, artwork from the most recently released game.", as previously said in this argument the current image is representative of her personality, if it wasn't then we wouldn't have kept that change since May, and also seeing as Arcade is more recent that Galaxy it fits that point as well. | |||
#{{User|River Piranha}} Per Yoshi876. The image should be from a recent game to keep the page looking fresh. | |||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per -censored because of character-876 | |||
#{{User|BabyLuigi64}} Per <s>all</s> Yoshi876. MKAGPDX has the most recent acceptable artwork and therefore it's used instead. | |||
#{{User|TNM}} Per Yoshi876. | |||
#{{User|Boo4761}} This image is the most recent and is acceptable for the infobox, per all. | |||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
It may just be me, but I think this has as much worth as a full-on proposal as [[Talk:Bowser Jr.#change the image.|this one.]] {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} | |||
:You would think, but there is a user who thinks not and kept reverting my edits, so here I am. {{User:Mario7/Sig}} 13:28, 9 November 2014 (EST) | |||
::BL64, I think this is actually more meritable for the proposal than the other one. At least the appearance of this Rosalina in a more obscure game for an infobox picture is a bit more debatable than the Bowser Jr. one. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 13:58, 9 November 2014 (EST) | |||
:::Oh, okay. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} | |||
::::If you think "obscurity" actually means something here, which it doesn't. See my argument below. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:24, 9 November 2014 (EST) | |||
'''@Madz the Penguin:''' The actual accepted fact is that Rosalina is ''not'' a princess. More like a parental figure or guardian. {{User:BabyLuigi64/sig}} | |||
Hold on: if the policy says that the image from the most recent game is preferred, why not cropping the Luma and putting just Rosalina? It's already done [[:File:SSB4_Rosalina_edited.png|here]] and she's calm enough to reflect her personality, unlike the SM3DW artwork. Also, updated dress (not that it matters much though). {{User:Tsunami/sig}} | |||
:Probably because like it says in the file name, it's been edited. That image is fanmade and thus it should not be used on a main series page. {{User|Yoshi876}} | |||
Some of your arguments here: | |||
*''"However, the artwork should be from her Super Mario Galaxy appearance for many reasons, the first having to do with technical aspects of the picture; the MK artwork has a white background, so Rosalina inside a white box inside a light green box, which looks unprofessional and slapped together; in her SMG artwork, however, there is no background."'' | |||
Another thing: the Super Mario Galaxy artwork is much higher resolution than the other artwork. This is the strongest point the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' artwork is going for. Even in the article itself, the lower resolution shows, and the .jpg compression of the artwork makes it even more glaring. | |||
*''"The second is that she is holding a wand in her SMG artwork, and the artwork for each character is to show his/her aspects and personality, so the wand shows readers at a first glance that she has some magical or mysterious aspect to her without reading a word of the article. She is also always depicted with this everywhere except in the Mario Kart series, due to the fact that she must drive with both hands."'' | |||
This isn't really relevant. Rosalina is seen frequently with her wand, without her wand. You're forgetting a major player here: ''Super Mario 3D World''. Also, Rosalina doesn't really use her wand aside from Mario Golf: World Tour and Super Smash Bros.. While establishing impressions are important, Rosalina's design already does a pretty good job at showcasing the calm, collected, somewhat mysterious and magical space lady <s>like Ms. Frizzle</s>. | |||
*''"The last reason why her SMG artwork should be used is that SMG is a much more recognized and bigger game than MK: SMG has been release in almost every territory where the Wii is sold and has even become a Nintendo Select, whereas MK is an arcade game in Japan (and possibly the US, though even that is unsure); the MarioWiki article for SMG is also far more extensive than it is for MK, making SMG the definitive game. For all of these reasons, Rosalina's artwork for Super Mario Galaxy should be used for her infobox."'' | |||
This argument is invalid. We use artwork that illustrates the character best, not artwork that's derived from a more popular game. Mario Party artwork has been chosen over Mario platformer artwork a few times. Finally, the artwork is technically not derived from an obscure game, unless you deem Mario Kart obscure. Yes, this artwork is directly ripped from the Mario Kart 7 "artwork", so any argument regarding "obscurity" is moot. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:24, 9 November 2014 (EST) | |||
There's an official policy on what art infoboxes should use, [[Talk:Bowser_Jr.#Comments_3|and as I said last time a TPP happened anyway]], and less forcefully [[Talk:Rosalina#Comments_3|last time it happened here]], the fact that it's written on [[Template:character infobox]] rather than a policy/help page, and the fact that people don't always read very specific instructions, ''don't'' make it optional. The rule is: | |||
<blockquote>''A representative image of the character - ideally, artwork from the most recently released game. However, if the latest artwork is specialized for that game (i.e. the character's wearing sporting gear, driving a kart, etc.), an older image may be retained as the infobox image instead. Note that the infobox cannot be updated while a game is still upcoming: it can only be changed after the game is released.''</blockquote> | |||
The ''MKAGPDX'' is the most recent art and it's not specialized: she's not driving a kart or chillin' with Pac-Man or anything, just looking regal as always, making it a pretty unquestionably representative image. What game it came from really doesn't matter. There's nothing to discuss here, much less vote on, so in the interest of trying to end the cycle of TPPs that shouldn't exist in the first place, I'm cancelling this one right now. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:33, 9 November 2014 (EST) | |||
== Suggesting a small note regarding Rosalina's weight difference between Mario Kart and Smash Bros. == | |||
Currently, in the Smash Bros. section, it is stated that "Rosalina is a very lightweight fighter. In fact, she's one of the lightest fighters in the game, only being heavier than Kirby, Mr. Game & Watch, and Jigglypuff." | |||
I was going to suggest adding the following; | |||
"Interestingly, this contrasts with her appearances in the Mario Kart series, where she is placed in the heavy weight class." | |||
Or something along those lines, anyway. --[[User:H Hog|H Hog]] ([[User talk:H Hog|talk]]) 03:38, 3 February 2015 (EST) | |||
--No , because ,: | |||
Rosalina is only in the HEAVY weight class in Mario Kart , because , much like WALUiGI , she is one of the tallest characters , not one of the fattest like Bowser . Wario and such. Taller people , by logic , need more legroom in vehicles and that's why Rosalina and Waluigi use larger vehicles and subsequently end up in a Large weight class. Her actual WEIGHT is accurate in Smash , and there's no relation between it and her Class in Mario Kart since she is just Tall and doesn't weight anymore than she does in Smash.--[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 17:35, 17 February 2015 (EST) 17:35, 17 February 2015 (EST)~~ | |||
== An inspiration? == | |||
I think Rosalina kinda inspired Disney to make the movie Frozen. Queen Elsa seems to slightly ressemble Rosalina. Also, Rosalina's Ice World, from Mario Kart 7, is quite similar to some places seen on Frozen. Frozen also features some things that are similar to Sherbet Land from Mario Kart: Double Dash!!. | |||
As a conclusion, I think Frozen is slightly inspired by Mario games. | |||
JJ97218 | |||
:It was inspired by [[wikipedia:The Snow Queen|a fairy tale]] (even if the final product has nothing in common with the original story). | |||
:-[[User:Toa 95|Toa 95]] ([[User talk:Toa 95|talk]]) | |||
== Kerri Kane says SHE IS NOT ROSALINA IN MP10 == | |||
Here you go! | |||
http://i.imgur.com/FGI6ZJM.png?1 --[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 17:12, 12 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:I saw your message, you '''do not''' [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Rosalina&diff=1809590&oldid=1803924 call other people liars], ESPECIALLY a sysop here who was editing under good faith, that is a warnable offense. Anyhow I'm still skeptical of this, I'm not sure what to believe. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 22:57, 12 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:: Kerri Kane says the credits are WRONG and that she could hear Rosalina's voice in MP10 , and that is not her in that game. | |||
Did you seriously just link to a screencap of you falsely identifying yourself as a Mariowiki staff member --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 16:12, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I'm an autoconfirmed user and i contribute to this site Everytime i can with proper information and content , with staff i don't mean i own the site , i mean i'm part of the people that gather information to complete articles in here.--[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 17:16, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Still doesn't make you staff: that title's reserved for promoted administrators, not any random old user who wants to increase their clout. [[SMW:WP#Level_three_offenses|It's a warnable offense]], in fact. It's perfectly fine for editors to take the initiative and email voice actors and whatnot if they want, but don't lie to them: it potentially damaging to the wiki's credibility and reputation to have people masquerading as responsible authority figures, not to mention that it's inconsiderate to the person you're deceiving, insulting to your fellow editors who ''don't'' feel the need to embellish their titles, and disrespectful to those of us who have actually earned the right to call ourselves staff. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 18:13, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::If that's the case then please Excuse my behavior and excuse this misunderstanding , For that matter i personally believe that the best thing to do is the following , even if the email is actually true and all (you can always check this by emailing Kerri Kane): A) Updo Any edits on the matter recently, The page should be changed to reflect what the credits say. B) While i'm really sorry , i truly believe that this mistake i made is really Bad even if i didn't mean to , so i would like to know How to close my account in this wiki or whatever is similar to that , how do i do that? Should i PM an Admin? If so please , let me know so i can properly adress it. Sorry for the trouble! I was just trying to help , but i think i didn't do all the things right! Hopefully this will be enough to settle things :) --[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 18:39, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
For the record, the admins did email Kerri Kane (we've corresponded with her a couple times before now), and she confirmed the email's authenticity. She also elaborated that the script she read for Rosalina were sounds for the most part ("''Lots of Hoo’s and Ha’s, Yeahs and Yahs, things like that''"), with a few interjections, and did not include "''a “Here I go” or the “Let’s go” that [she has heard] from Rosalina in MP10.''". I will add this information and the proper citations to all the relevant pages. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:49, 16 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Princess? == | |||
Is Rosalina really a princess? The article currently states that she is, but is there an actual source that confirms this? I'm only mentioning this, because Nintendo hardly even recognizes her as a princess. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 07:34, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
This was a topic that was already covered. Look at the conversation that talks about it on here. {{User:Nintendoplayerawesome/sig}} | |||
:I missed that conversation. Sorry about that. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 12:55, 8 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Puzzle And Dragons Voice == | |||
My 2 cents , https://youtu.be/XDaUCptL5ow?t=3m8s --[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 09:34, 21 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
== 8 bit sprite and meaning? == | |||
What could the 8 bit sprite of Rosalina possibly mean in Captain Toad Treasure Tracker? EG, the 8 bit Luigis in Super Mario 3D World symbolized The Year of Luigi. What could these Rosalina sprites mean? Also, is it safe to say she's playable in Super Mario Maker?--[[Special:Contributions/70.79.246.167|70.79.246.167]] 02:24, 14 September 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Her Rio 2016 outfit? == | |||
What kind of outfit is she wearing in this game? I can't determine this, because it looks like a cross between her dress from Super Mario Galaxy and her tennis dress from Mario Tennis Ultra Smash. The differences I found is that it looks like the bottom half of her dress is removed leaving only the sleeves on and her legs visible and (I don't know how to phrase this but) the dress runs between her legs and all the way to her back. Its as if the whole outfit needs to be put on and removed when changing. Any answers?--[[Special:Contributions/70.79.230.57|70.79.230.57]] 07:19, 31 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Alternitive Outfits == | |||
There should be a new section highliting Rosalina's alternative outfits. Mario Kart Wii/Mario Kart 8 biking suit, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash tennis outfit, and Mario and Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games Gymnastics/Aquatics outfit + main outfit should be included. | |||
Add images aswell. | |||
== "Princess" Status == | |||
So, apparently there's some debate over whether or not Rosalina is actually classified as a princess. Prima guides seem to be the only source of information, even though the information they put out is finicky at best. ''[[Mario Kart Wii]]''{{'}}s trading card bio is the only thing close to official that I can find that actually refers to her as a "princess". | |||
Most other games and bios call her with other names like a "mysterious woman", "Mother of the Lumas", or the "Cosmic Guardian". Not once does any game actually call her a princess in the game itself, so would any of these titles fit better instead? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:28, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I think LinktheLefty nailed it down in [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Rosalina&oldid=2081025 his edit summary], "''Prima is an official licensed legitimate source, and canon appeal is unacceptable. Additionally, a Mario Kart 8 Nintendo Direct called Baby Rosalina a princess. This isn't a name change. Don't revert.''" {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:33, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Should we reference the Nintendo Direct then, saying that since Baby Rosalina is classified as a princess, Rosalina should be as well? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
Princess of what? [[Princess Peach]] has jurisdiction over [[Mushroom Kingdom]] while [[Princess Daisy]] has jurisdiction over [[Sarasaland]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:36, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Whether she has jurisdiction over something or not isn't the point. The point is finding an official material that actually references Rosalina as a princess. The Nintendo Direct appears to be the most official reference so far. Although, [https://youtu.be/JbuJZP0_8iQ?t=11m50s just looked up the Direct itself], she is called the "Star Princess", so maybe she's the princess of the stars? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:42, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::How does that even work? Does that mean she is a [[Wikipedia:Deity|deity]] or something? --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:46, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
In case you are wondering, both the {{media link|EncyclopediaSMB - Characters pt2.jpg|Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.}} and [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Kids section of Nintendo Co., Ltd. site|the bio on the Kids section]] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/kids/character/rosetta/index.html of NCL's site] confirm that she's a ''mysterious woman'', which is also what is stated [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Flag Description (Wii U version)|in her bio in Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games]], with Mario Party Star Rush [[Character Museum#Character bios|calling her a ''mysterious lady'']] as well, just like [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|one of the Miis' dialogues in the aformentioned Mario & Sonic game]]. The PRIMA guide is according to the policy a valid source and we cannot alter that without changing the Wiki policy altogether, but her being a princess is not stated in current bios. That this is another change in her depiction or just a mistake introduced at the time for various reasons such as her wearing a tiara is something we will have to clarify by looking at various Japanese bios, but for the moment I guess we can change the full name while still stating that according to the PRIMA guide and the Mario Kart 8 Direct she is a princess - we shouldn't remove the references just because they don't fit the current bios in my opinion.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:09, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:No, I'm not saying we should remove the references; they are valid according to policy. I'm just trying to find an agreement: What should we classify Rosalina as? Official bios seem to stay away from the "princess" motif for the most part, so Prima is really the best we got in that sense. If we go off of in-game or Nintendo's official bios, "mysterious lady" or "Cosmic Guardian" are the best titles so far. | |||
:Honestly, I think the tiara/crown/whatever-that-is is a leftover from her initial design, when she was originally made out to be related to [[Princess Peach]] in some way, and I guess the devs just liked it as part of her character. Considering her relations to any other character was dropped, it makes Rosalina look like she's just trying to copy the other princesses. :P {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::''Mysterious lady'' and ''mysterious woman'' are indeed the official titles most frequently used in recent material, including Japanese bios, so we won't do wrong usign them, ''Cosmic Guardian'' seems to be used less and less, last being seen in ''Mario Kart 8''. Of course, since the PRIMA guide of ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' recycled the bios, this means that her most recent bio considers her as such ;-). I'd personally go with the former titles, though, which are consistent with Japanese bios.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 20:30, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::"Mysterious Lady/Woman" sounds good. Any objections? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:51, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::How is classifying her as a mysterious lady going to change the content of the article? Are instances of "princess" going to be removed, will some of her categories be shuffled around, etc. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:09, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::It's really the title in her infobox that's being called into question. Any instance of "princess" should probably be removed anyway (outside of bios), considering there isn't really that solid of a source to go off of. | |||
:::::Additionally, I thought this should be noted but I don't want to go too far into a Game Theory, Rosalina's mother also has a crown, which you can faintly see in [[:File:Ch4 1.png|her storybook image]]. Does that show that Rosalina is at least some kind of royalty? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:17, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::It could indeed be a sign of royalty, the problem is that at the moment Nintendo isn't stating that she's a princess in the bios, which is mainly the reason why we are discussing this in the first place.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::So how should it be written in the infobox then? "Mysterious Woman Rosalina" or "Rosalina, the Mysterious Woman"? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:27, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::I would say the latter, only because the former sounds like Mysterious Woman is part of her name, which it isn't. Also, nothing says that we can't have Princess in the latter as well. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 14:37, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::If she's a princess, then why aren't other characters like Wart, who also wear a crown, called King Wart? And what about Bowser's case? He's the King of Koopas, but doesn't wear a crown (save for the DiC cartoons) --[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 14:44, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Also, can I say that inside the [[Terrace (Super Mario Galaxy)|Terrace]] is a picture of a castle. That is something from the original (possibly could also be a leftover too, though) besides the crown that she has royalty. Although as mysterious as she is and was, I can also live with the other title. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 14:57, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::That is just speculation. This wiki is known to be very strict when it comes to theories and speculations. Point is until we Nintendo calls Rosalina, "Princess Rosalina" at least once, then we should accept her as princess. Until then we should call her just "Rosalina" and nothing else, including "Mysterious Woman". --[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 15:09, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::That's a little much. Neglecting to show her title when she clearly has one is probably worse than not calling her anything at all. According to {{User|Mister Wu}}'s book and many official in-game bios, "Mysterious Woman" or "Mysterious Lady" seems to be the most official title Rosalina has. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:14, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::::::"Mysterious Woman" is more of a nickname than a title, Pauline's nickname was "Lady" in older Mario games and is no longer used. If we go by that logic than we should call Luigi "the Green Guy" as it is used by some characters in some games or better yet Rosalina "the Witch" as it named by Blue Toad at he beginning of Super Mario Galaxy. --[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 15:27, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::::Technically, Nintendo currently doesn't give any title to Rosalina, with ''mysterious woman'' being her description (a similar case is that of Wendy being defined as the only girl among the Koopalings). It goes without saying that with her being mysterious, no title is currently given. At this point I'd leave the infobox without full name adding either in the introduction, in the General Information section or in the trivia that she has been stated to be a princess.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) | |||
::::::::::Yeah, okay, the title isn't exactly official. I've been typing it here as a proper noun, but that is rarely the case in games and bios. We can leave the information to the GI or trivia. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:55, 4 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:Since Prima is an official source (it's a tertiary source, but it still counts), I'm going to object to any instances of "princess" being removed unless there's a source from Nintendo that directly contradicts that. However, as being a princess isn't something that's been consistently reaffirmed, I'm fine with her simply being called "Rosalina" in the info box. Also, using "mysterious lady" as a title is odd when it's never used as a title for her, and I agree with CastleResearch on this point. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:26, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
::I'll give my two cents to the discussion seeing as how I was the one who added it... | |||
::The main point of contention with this seems to stem from the fact that two references listed in the infobox come from Prima Games material. I'm not unaware that Prima has a certain stigma, but Nintendo Power honestly wasn't ''that'' much better in my opinion (it can be quite the opposite in some cases, I'd say). Moreover, Prima happens to be our source for the concept image and accompanying details used in the development section - and we may have never known ''any'' of that valuable information if it weren't for them. We do owe them for that. We've also got a ''Mario Kart Wii'' trading card calling her a princess, as well as both the ''Mario Kart 8'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20140430173237/http://mariokart8.nintendo.com/drivers/ website] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuJZP0_8iQ&t=11m51s Nintendo Direct] calling Baby Rosalina (and by extension Rosalina) one - also apparently recycled in the ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' guide - not to mention called as such by one of the voice actresses herself (who ''should'' know the characters she's voicing) on her own [https://web.archive.org/web/20140517192431/http://www.kerrikane.com/ website,] none of which have absolutely anything to do with Prima. Those are all the instances that I'm aware, but there may be more. We can speculate ''why'' they each said this when she is just Rosalina, but at the end of the day, suggesting that they ''all'' happened to be misinformed is assuming too much. | |||
::On the other hand... Admittedly, you can clearly see that technically ''one'' of those sources ''explicitly'' calls her by the full title "Princess Rosalina" (the ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' guide), with the other two only ''describing'' her as a princess for support (similar to what was arranged for the "Princess Peach Toadstool" infobox). So, if there's any grounds for removing it from the infobox, I suppose you could argue it's a one-off [[MarioWiki:Naming#Name_changes|naming error]] and leave it at that, which appears to be the thesis here. As far as the references themselves are concerned, they are valid and, if anything is to be done, ought to be moved to a trivia footnote rather than entirely removed. As was mentioned, we have policies in place to prevent official information from getting lost (however "low-end"), regardless of whether or not one personally doesn't consider it official ''enough''. It's a part of the character history, "current story" or not. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 02:10, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::Ok, sorry if I wasn't clear. I am absolutely against stating that PRIMA guides, Nintendo Power or official website aren't a valid source. We definitely must state that Rosalina was considered a princess. That being said, full name in the infobox contains official names from Nintendo, not really added descriptions or names derived from past depictions (e.g. we don't call Ludwig von Koopa ''baron'' in the full name even if the Nintendo Power guide of Super Mario Bros. 3 states that, nor do we call him ''His Evilness Ludwig von Koopa'' - the latter being a title used in ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' - as those titles are added to the actual full name). The official Super Mario Galaxy 2 guide's citation seems to be the same case as Ludwig so I don't know if it would count. Of course, it might also be that NOA was given the feedom to consider Rosalina a princess, which would then complicate matters even more. If that was the case, should we follow the NOA depiction?--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:34, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::::I think we should put the "princess" bit in the trivia section and remove her full name, because she really doesn't have any. I still don't understand why she isn't called Princess Rosalina in-game at least once. All references to "princess" are outside the games and that's where the problem arises, Peach and Daisy have been called Princess before their name several times in the games themselves but Rosalina not even once. At this point until we have actual confirmation we should settle this with votes.--[[User:CastleResearch|CastleResearch]] ([[User talk:CastleResearch|talk]]) 11:06, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:: My take on this: What actually bothers me is that many take the smallest piece of ''evidence'' of the ''Rosalina is a princess'' claim as the most powerful part of this and that just does not make any sense. What i mean is that , she gets called that in a Prima guide a few times and we take that as ''the most relevant'' while completely ignoring the countless times Rosalina has been clearly described as anything but that in the actual games and most media? That's really messy to me as what would matter is what most articles and piece of info say about the character , not just a couple. There's a consistency in Rosalina being refered as a ''Cosmic protector'' ''Mother of the lumas'' ''Mysterious woman'' etc. whatever while there's no real consistency into calling her a princess , there's really none , someone just threw that in there and then Nintendo continues to avoid refering as her as a Princess. Notice how Peach and Daisy are always refered as such in all kinds of media , but not Rosalina. I wouldn't use Baby Rosalina as an argument either because we can argue she does not even relate to what Rosalina in the Galaxy games has described , that character alone has several inconsistencies so i would not take her for anything. Rosalina's full name will always be Rosalina , no matter what the box says because there's no actual conection to the Princess title for her , there's literally no solid explanation to why to use that. Princess of what kingdom? There's none. So even though the box says otherwise , most media does not agree with this whatsoever , and that's what should be considered , not the ''minor'' evidence.--[[User:Swiftie Luma|Swiftie Luma]] ([[User talk:Swiftie Luma|talk]]) 00:44, 6 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::The media never says she's not a princess. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:09, 6 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
I think that we should have a talk page proposal about this. -[[User:YoshiFlutterJump|YoshiFlutterJump]] ([[User talk:YoshiFlutterJump|talk]]) 17:51, 6 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
I have an idea - since this discussion primarily spawned from the infobox at the front of the article, why not address the implementation directly? Would anyone be opposed to removing the full name part of the wiki's infoboxes entirely? The vast majority of the time, it's merely a restatement of the above heading and article title, so it's mostly repetitive; the only noteworthy exceptions seem to be either a holdover from an earlier time and may or may not be "current story" relevant (ie. Peach and Bowser) or something that changes depending on who and when you ask (ie. Mario and Luigi). This way, the Princess Rosalina references still get mentioned in the appropriate section as it should, but it doesn't go beyond that and there's no debate about what we think the full name should actually be. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:18, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:If you want to go this route, make a proposal on the [[Mariowiki:Proposals|proposals' page]]. There might be some cases we don't know about in which the full name is useful and that might come out when a proposal is made. If these cases don't exist, the full name will be removed and this peculiar princess title will end up in another section.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 10:45, 22 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::Just a suggestion for the proposal, what if the Full Name box was only included when it differed from the main name? | |||
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 13:14, 22 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::When I first asked the question, I was wondering if there was any official title we could call her by and come to an agreement on one. Is a proposal really necessary for this? If so, I'll make it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:18, 22 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
For your information, the ''Super Mario Official Sticker Book'' page 43 shows the text "Princess Power Trio!" and it has Rosalina, Peach, and Daisy. This points to Rosalina's status being a princess as well as Baby Rosalina's tagline. It's no longer Prima now. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:33, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Prima also wasn't involved in the ''Mario Kart 8'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuJZP0_8iQ&t=11m51s Nintendo Direct] and [https://imgur.com/a/ReseX ''Deluxe'' website], or the time Rosalina's voice actress called her a princess on her [https://web.archive.org/web/20140517192431/http://www.kerrikane.com/ own website] (albeit not its current revision). Still, with the ''Super Mario Official Sticker Book'' being as recent as this year, it seems pretty clear that Nintendo is still allowing Rosalina to be referred to as a princess, and so "Princess Rosalina" should remain as her full name unless Nintendo changes their mind and makes a directly contradicting statement. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:15, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::One thing is that the ''Super Mario Official Sticker Book'' is an "officially Nintendo-licensed" book published by Random House. They also published the ''Mario Time'' book. Just like Prima, there are some errors or inaccuracies. For example, Yoshi's residence is "unknown" and Bowser's residence is also "unknown" in the ''Mario Time'' book. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 05:09, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::There might be some inconsistencies but I'd apply Occam's Razor here as it's an explicit referral and there's no contradicting evidence aside from the more generic referrals to Rosalina (Peach and Daisy aren't always called princesses in their bios either). This is unlike the other inaccuracies which we are sure they are inaccuracies ''because'' of the explicit information against them. You can maybe twist the word "princess" to mean some sort of archetype in the Mario series, but that would be making way too many ad hoc assumptions and not in the spirit of Occam's Razor. I'm not sure why you're bringing up that it's published by a third party, as the other guides are also generally published by third parties (Prima), but since Nintendo has some oversight into their production, this means that it's official material and so it should be examined. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:19, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
The confusion here arose from an important point: Nintendo Co., Ltd. (Nintendo in Japan) never stated that she's a princess, but rather a ''mysterious woman''. Still, Nintendo of America clearly considered her a princess from the start, reconfirming this in subsequent material. This is yet another issue of regional depictions. For now, sticking with the NA one is fine, I guess, but keep in mind this aspect when dealing with Japanese material or the games.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 17:04, 28 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:One small, overlooked thing - while the equivalent [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Neb3082iJpg&t=12m3s NoE Nintendo Direct] omits the "star princess" part when describing Baby Rosalina, the same [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtA40B4o5iM&t=11m56s NoJ Nintendo Direct] refers to Baby Rosetta as "hime-sama" (just like the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuJZP0_8iQ&t=11m51s NoA Nintendo Direct]). Overseas localizations might do it more often, but it's not just them. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:01, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Yeah, but that's the baby version. I can't remember if her adult version was ever specifically stated or implied to be a Queen, but that's the impression I always got, and I ''think'' I saw it in an official description at some point. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:51, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::The mysterious woman thing doesn't exactly contradict referrals that she's a princess. It's a component of Rosalina, it seems. If Rosalina wasn't called a princess at all, and if we're going just by appearance, then yeah, calling her a "princess" wouldn't be much of an argument, since finding evidence just from what's ''not'' being said doesn't make for a strong argument in this case. To try to put arbitrary distinctions that Baby Rosalina is a princess and Rosalina is not because Baby Rosalina isn't consistent with Rosalina's story arc, especially with the stigma Baby Rosalina carries, also doesn't really compel me. That being said, I don't support renaming Rosalina to "Princess Rosalina" either. I do support adding information that suggests she's a princess with evidence being some bios, from being grouped with Peach and Daisy, multiple times. I doubt that if Pauline, if hypothetically she were promoted to marketing toward girls, were grouped with the other women, that group name would still be "Princess Party" or "Princess Power", though. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:37, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::The other two princesses are immeditaely referred to as such in the first sentence of the [[List of Princess Peach profiles and statistics#Mario Portal|current]] [[List of Princess Daisy profiles and statistics#Mario Portal|Japanese bios]], while Rosalina [[List of Rosalina profiles and statistics#Mario Portal|is introduced as a ''mysterious woman'' in the first sentence and not referred to be a princess in the whole bio]], so I agree with treating that ''princess'' status differently like you said, I don't think Nintendo currently plans to go deeper into this anyway.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 21:38, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
Another piece of information. The 3DS app ''[[List of Mario references in Nintendo video games#Swapdoodle|Swapdoodle]]'' has those doodle lessons, where you draw Nintendo characters (which can be purchased from the shop). There is a purchasable Nintendo lesson pack called "Super Mario Princesses and Pals", which features lessons for drawing Peach, Toad, Rosalina, Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Kamek, and Birdo. The description says:<br>''"It's the ultimate Super Mario doodle collection! You can learn to draw your favorite characters, such as the <big>Princesses</big> and <big>Donkey Kong</big>! You're invited to join the this huge gathering of Peach, Rosalina, and Daisy, along with Wario, Waluigi, and more!"''<br>I don't know if the "Princesses" part in the description refers to Peach, Daisy, and Rosalina.<br>When taking a Rosalina lesson, Nikki stated that she's a "mysterious girl who travels through space". But in a Daisy lesson, when completed, Nikki will say "Daisy is done! Draw her with Rosalina and Peach for a fun princess party! ☆", which definitely points to Rosalina's status of being a princess. - {{User:Infinite8/sig}} 13:02, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I don't think the Swapdoodle lessons are quite explicit in categorizing Rosalina as a princess, but it should be supplementary information on top of the more explicit referrals. That last one should probably seal the deal along with the Sticker Book referral. I feel the potential argument that "it's princesses + Rosalina" is a reach that requires unnecessary assumptions. The other potential argument is that all statements on her princess status are always made when she's grouped with Peach and Daisy, but it's essentially the same "princess archetype" argument that I've deconstructed above. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 19:19, 29 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
Other material that classifies Rosalina as a princess is the video “[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6qYcmlTBoc&pp=ygUOcHJpbmNlc3Mgc3R1ZmY%3D Princess Stuff on Nintendo Switch]” from Nintendo of America’s Youtube channel, where Rosalina is shown as much as Peach and Daisy. [[User:Wallowigi|Wallowigi]] ([[User talk:Wallowigi|talk]]) 03:49, April 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:There’s no denying that Rosalina is considered a princess in North American material, but from what we found so far that doesn’t translate to the title being part of her official name, like in the case of Peach and Daisy. As stated above, this comes from the fact that in Japanese material she’s rather a “mysterious woman”, and as such she isn’t given the “hime” title after the name and her kingdom is never specified either, unlike in the case of Peach and Daisy. So, right now as far as I know the current material doesn’t give a reason to change the page name, we just need to ensure to keep the bit about her being considered a princess in North American material, since this is definitely official.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 04:11, April 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Rosalina's family == | |||
Rosalina's storybook has confirmed she had a family consisting of not only her deceased mother, but a brother and a father, the latter whom she borrowed her telescope from. Shouldn't we add the info of her family somewhere on her page, or maybe even the storybook? | |||
--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 16:36, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:[[Rosalina#Relationships|There already is]]. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:: Uh, thanks. Perhaps I didn't read deep enough. Could we add that they both have been presumed deceased since Rosalina left the planet after 100 years?--[[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 16:57, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::Seems like that's kind of implied already. The mom's already confirmed dead. I don't remember anything in the game that says 100 years have passed since Rosalina left. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:39, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::Or however long it was. Either way, however long it was it would’ve been likely they’d be gone by now. [[User:TheGreenBeetle|TheGreenBeetle]] ([[User talk:TheGreenBeetle|talk]]) 19:59, 20 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
== Category:Parents == | |||
So, should Rosa really be in the “parents” category? I know she’s the “mother of the Lumas”, but it’s really more a title than anything, I highly doubt she actually adopted every single Luma.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 08:01, 20 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:Every Luma on the Comet Observatory regards Rosalina as their mother, so... she kind of did? Likely more of an honorific title than anything, but she still takes care of them as if she were their mother, so I think the category fits. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:48, 20 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Outdated artwork == | |||
Guys her artwork is pretty outdated maybe we could change it to Super Mario Party or Smash Ultimate? [[User:Kittenpaws01|Kittenpaws01]] ([[User talk:Kittenpaws01|talk]]) 17:50, 25 November 2018 (EST) | |||
:Super Mario Party uses the same artwork as Mario Party 10, which would make the artwork even more outdated. We don't update to the latest released until the game has actually been released. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 17:53, 25 November 2018 (EST) | |||
::Not to mention the Smash Ultimate artwork features an altered design not used by nearly all of her other appearances, and as the infobox is meant to display the character in their most typical design, well, it would not be favoured. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:49, 26 November 2018 (EST) | |||
== Rosalina's true home == | |||
Hi, I am aware that there have already been discussions about it, but playing Super Mario Galaxy I realized the existence of numerous evidences showing that Rosalina was born on the initial planet of Gateway Galaxy. In the wiki, Rosalinda's home planet is said to be Earth, because the Star Festival is celebrated every 100 years in the Mushroom Kingdom. And we know that Rosalina visits her home planet every 100 years. In his picture book his home planet is referred to as a tiny blue planet. More precisely, in chapter 7, it is said that on that planet there is a hill dotted with flowers and a terrace on which she looked at the stars as a child. On the initial planet of the Gateway Galaxy there are hills with flowers and a house where the player can enter to return to the comet's observatory. Furthermore, the planet itself is surrounded by a blue light. This does not prove anything, they could be simple concidences. However, in the "Gateway's Purple Coins" mission, Rosalina says: "This planet ... is very dear to me. I was looking forward to visiting this planet with the Lumas every hundred years ..." | |||
Rosalina uses "this" to refer to the planet they are currently on, that is, to the initial planet of the Gateway Galaxy. | |||
Another thing that made me think is the secret video of the 120 Power Stars. In that video, Luma is seen near a rusty spaceship, the same spaceship with which he had fallen on Rosalina's planet. Eventually, when Rosalina enters the home of the planet, she finds herself at the Cometa Observatory. When the Observatory turns into a comet and begins to travel in space, there is a zoom on the initial planet of the Gateway Galaxy. This means that the observatory has been parked there.--[[User:Alternis|Alternis]] ([[User talk:Alternis|talk]]) 10:17, March 27, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I suppose the implication is there, but there's nothing really solid to work with. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:42, April 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::Page 253 of the Prima guide: "''After Mario rescues the Grand Star from Bowser Jr. at the edge of the Engine Room galaxies, he opens up the final Dome on the Comet Observatory: Garden. However, there is a stop between the Engine Room and the Garden. On the small platform decorated by an inviting flowerbed is a link back to the Gateway Galaxy—the first planetoid Mario awoke upon after Bowser kidnapped Princess Peach.''[...]''Upon returning to the planetoid, Mario must visit Rosalina atop the small castle. She looks longingly at the heavens. She cares so deeply for the Luma, but there’s a piece of her heart lost among the stars. She has always stopped near this planetoid—her favorite—every 100 years. This time, however, the malicious Bowser halted her journey. Rosalina pledges to keep helping Mario find Princess Peach before she returns to the Comet Observatory, leaving Mario in the company of a playful little red Luma.''" So it at least interprets her line to mean the Gateway Galaxy planet. In the Japanese version, she uses the phrase 「…この<span class="explain" title="ほし">星</span>は」 (''kono hoshi wa'') referring to "this" stellar object, not necessarily a planet. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:48, May 25, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Rosalina’s Mom == | |||
Does anyone have any idea what happened to her [[User:Lizfun145|Lizfun145]] ([[User talk:Lizfun145|talk]]) 16:33, April 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Nintendo has not given any official statement on the matter, so there's nothing for us to cover about it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:42, April 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Update the information about Rosalina's Personality == | |||
In Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 Rosalina barely had any emotion and her voice was monotone. But in more recent games her voice is not very monotone, and Rosalina is way more emotional, and the information about her personality looks outdated to me. [[User:Orhoshmand|Orhoshmand]] ([[User talk:Orhoshmand|talk]]) 15:28, August 11, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I specified that the opening paragraph about her monotone and calm nature was mainly portrayed in the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' games, and that she's been more energetic since ''Super Mario 3D World''. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:04, August 11, 2020 (EDT) | |||
Thank you so much for updating the information. But I also think it's attributable to [[Laura Faye Smith]] who became her voice actor, and as of ''Super Mario 3D World Rosalina also doesn't have echo in her voice. [[User:Orhoshmand|Orhoshmand]] ([[User talk:Orhoshmand|talk]]) 12:27, August 20, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Yes, it says that before ''Super Mario 3D World'' her voice has a reverberating (echoing) effect. While it's true that she became more energetic ever since Laura Faye Smith voiced her, that's probably since Nintendo gave her new directions when voicing her. Nobody would want to play as a sad-sounding character, especially in a platforming game where you have to jump all over the place, so that's probably why. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:54, August 20, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== "Princess" Again...from 3D All-Stars == | |||
I guess I'd like to bring up this topic while it's still fresh. While she is officially being referred to as "Princess Rosalina" on the ''Super Mario 3D All-Stars'' website, I still think it's early to move the page to "Princess Rosalina". For one, it's never been used in a game yet, so this could just be another one-off usage. Two, the Japanese site doesn't refer to her as "Rosetta-hime" (translating to "Princess Rosalina"), so it's not like there's been an official change in designation and that she should be classified as a princess. And third, the pages don't necessarily have to use the character's full name, Mario's page isn't "Mario Mario", and Peach's page isn't "Princess Peach Toadstool". Overall, while I think this is a good confirmation of her full name, I don't think it's substantial enough to move her whole page. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 05:41, September 6, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I agree, there are not enough times where that name is used for it to be the article's title. Maybe if it gets used more often within actual games. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} | |||
::I second this; in my opinion, if the "Princess Rosalina" name is more used in further installments (adventure ones, of course) after this point, that's when I would consider having the page being moved. But no doubt about it that what we've seen from that page should start to finally end this confusing debate. --M. C. - [[User:MeritC|Profile]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 06:15, September 6, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::I’ll also add that [https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Nintendo-Switch/Super-Mario-3D-All-Stars-1832369.html#Overview the UK site] doesn’t name her Princess Rosalina either, so yeah, it’s something exclusive to Nintendo of America. Weird indeed, since for obvious reasons they then couldn’t specify her kingdom like they did with Princess Daisy and Princess Peach.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 08:25, September 6, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::Yeah, we'll keep it Rosalina for now until something is more consistent. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:31, September 6, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Imgur link == | |||
[[Rosalina#cite_note-3|One of the sources]] cited in the infobox for Rosalina's "princess" mantle is an [https://imgur.com/a/ReseX Imgur link] to a screenshot of what appears to be the now-unavailable website for the Wii U version of ''Mario Kart 8''. However, all [https://web.archive.org/web/20141015000000*/http://mariokart8.nintendo.com/drivers/ existing snapshots] <small>(web.archive.org)</small> of the website's drivers section, including [https://web.archive.org/web/20171101000000*/http://mariokart8.nintendo.com/wiiu/drivers/ those] <small>(web.archive.org)</small> after the ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' site remodelling, show a heading that commands attention to the Koopalings instead of the "Princesses" like in the screenshot. Additionally, I couldn't find any other corner of the website that promotes the game's drivers in a similar fashion. While I'm not really doubting the authenticity of the material in the screenshot (as it shows a patently identical layout and aesthetic to the actual website), I'm wondering if anyone can point to a more convincing archive of it. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:11, April 15, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::If you wait on the original ''Mario Kart 8'' site's driver section for a bit, the header changes to the one seen in the imgur link. [https://web.archive.org/web/20140716042032im_/http://mariokart8.nintendo.com/img/drivers/header_2.png Here's the associated image] with that header from the Wayback Machine showing that it does exist if the site doesn't switch headings for you for some reason. - [[User:RHG1951|RHG1951]] ([[User talk:RHG1951|talk]]) 15:48, April 15, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:::I know this is yet another Imgur image but just now I took a [https://i.imgur.com/2eYT8v4.png screenshot] from this [https://web.archive.org/web/20140430173237/http://mariokart8.nintendo.com/drivers/ Wayback Machine URL] to confirm that the headers do switch and they get referred to as "princesses". [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:47, April 15, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== A Mario Rabbids Sparks Of Hope section should added since a Rabbid based on her will appear in the game == | |||
For right now in that section you can say “While Rosalina has not yet been confirmed to appear, a Rabbid based on her likeness known as Rabbid Rosalina will appear in the game” I am surprised this has not been added yet {{User|35.137.242.245}} | |||
:I put it under "Other appearances". {{User:Swallow/sig}} 20:05, July 4, 2022 (EDT) | |||
::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57#Define the scope of "Other appearances" sections|That's not what "other appearances" sections are for, though]]. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:09, July 5, 2022 (EDT) | |||
== In Mario Rabbids Sparks Of Hope the heroes are apparently looking for Rosalina == | |||
In this recent video on the game here (https://youtu.be/rlqV5soG99s) after the Midnite boss fight Beep-0 mentions that they are looking for Rosalina which heavily implies that Rosalina herself will appear in the game at some point. For now can someone please add that detail to the Spark Of Hope section? I would very much appreciate it.{{User|35.137.242.245}} | |||
== You can slightly see Rosalina's right eye == | |||
In this picture, you can see a little bit of Rosalina's right eye, meaning that she is not deliberately covering up her eye as there is nothing wrong with it. | |||
[[File:SMG2Rosalina.png|220px|thumb|left]] | |||
{{unsigned|Mario's biggest fan}} | |||
:That makes sense, although I don't see anything on the page referencing anything further to do with her eye. Also, remember to sign your comments using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:03, January 24, 2023 (EST) | |||
== Rosalina’s Stature at the end of SMG == | |||
This is in regards to the last sentence in Rosalina’s “Physical description” section. Is Rosalina ''physically'' with Mario at the end of Galaxy? The entire scene before he returns home makes it seem like she is speaking to him telepathically or the like. It, at least to me, never felt like the actual statures of Mario or Rosalina were altered from a literal sense. Plus Rosalina has never been shown to alter her size ''without'' the use of an item.{{unsigned|172.56.97.20}} | |||
I don’t remember honestly? You could be right. Anyways, I would like to add that Rosalina’s height is pretty much inconsistent from game to game and many users and fans exaggerate it. She was shown to be very tall in Super Mario Galaxy and that carries to Super Smash Bros., but recent games show her to be just a few inches taller than Peach. Also, she floats. That makes her height difficult to estimate. [[User:Wallowigi|Wallowigi]] ([[User talk:Wallowigi|talk]]) 03:54, April 17, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Listing Rosalina's appearance in The Super Mario Bros. Movie. == | |||
{{SettledTPP}} | |||
{{ProposalOutcome|vetoed|The intent of this proposal is based entirely on speculation, which is one thing this wiki does not allow in any way.}} | |||
I think we should list Rosalina's appearance in ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Movie]]''. Why? Because she's highly definitely likely to appear. Hint one, the [[Lumalee]] leaked [[McDonald's]] [[Happy Meal]] toy. Hint two, [[Princess Peach]]'s "'''There's a huge universe out there... with a lot of galaxies.'''" line. Hint three, the Lumalee leaked McDonald's toy. Hint four, the Lumalee appearing in the official final trailer. Hint five, Gusty Garden Galaxy music being used. Also, why in the stars would a Lumalee appear without Rosalina? Where's [[Yoshi]], [[Wario]], [[Waluigi]], [[Bowser Jr.]], the [[Koopalings]], [[Princess Daisy]], [[Dry Bowser]], [[King K. Rool]], [[Wart]], [[King Boo]], and more? [[User:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount]] ([[User talk:MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount|talk]]) 22:40, March 17, 2023 (EDT)}} | |||
'''Proposer''': {{User|MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline''': March 31, 2023, 23:59 GMT | |||
====Support==== | |||
#{{User|MarioBobfan2007'snewaccount}}. Support. Per proposal. | |||
====Oppose==== | |||
#{{User|Swallow}} Definitely not until it's properly confirmed she's actually in it; as of now there's no slight hint of it. | |||
#{{User|Shadic 34}} Speculation isn't something this wiki is really keen on, so I'll oppose. | |||
#{{User|MarioComix}} This would count as speculation, and we don't cover that on the wiki. There's currently nothing concrete linking Rosalina to the movie; technically, Lumas can appear without her as a form of world-building - their presence hints at a cosmic side to the Mario universe that could be explored in future movies. (Also, look at games that have Luma without Rosalina, like ''[[Mario Tennis Open]]''.) If there were leaked footage, concept art, or Rosalina's emblems appearing, then it could be brought up, but for now, this is pure speculation. | |||
====Comments==== | |||
== Rosalina’s Korean name == | |||
Rosalina’s Korean name 로젤리나 should be romanized “Rojellina” due to how Korean romanization works. [[User:ArgentuTA164|ArgentuTA164]] ([[User talk:ArgentuTA164|talk]]) 22:22, October 29, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Very powerful figure? (+ Line sticker) == | |||
I'm kind of unsure about the very first phrase in the intro of her article. What does "very powerful figure" actually mean in her case, since Rosalina does not do anything particularly powerful/daysaving in the games she appears in? After all, it’s Mario who does most of the work, and characters like Bowser are shown to have an immense number of resources. I think it would be better to just start the phrase as “Her duty is […]”, which is already descriptive of her role in the series without being potentially biased (I still remember this page being even more POV-ridden, lol…) Plus, I'm confused about the LINE sticker in the personality section… honestly, I don't think it is that indicative of Rosalina's personality, since she is very rarely shown upset, as in the sticker. Of course feel free to tell me if you disagree. This is just a hindsight on my part. {{unsigned|Wallowigi}} | |||
:I think it's meant to describe her portrayal in ''Galaxy'' where she seems to have knowledge of how the universe works, and powers that transcend the universe's rebirth (when she appears before Mario much larger than usual). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:50, April 24, 2024 (EDT) | |||