Talk:Panser: Difference between revisions

==Merge with Volcano Lotus==

These two enemies have the same Japanese name and ultimately have very similar behavior. While they are divergent in appearance and behavior to an extent, I'd reckon they're more similar than different, being largely stationary flowers with similarly-shaped buds that repeatedly open their buds to shoot fireballs in an arc. It seems like the significant differences between these two are similar in scope to the redesign of [[Bob-omb]]s for ''[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]'' (which have a different Japanese name from the ''[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]'' version), [[Pokey]]s in ''[[Super Mario World]]'',  or even [[Shy Guy]]s in ''[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]'' (they ''look'' similar, but have very different behavior from ''Super Mario Bros. 2'').

#{{User|Blinker}} Per proposal.

#{{User|Koopa con Carne}} per doc

===Oppose===

#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.

#{{User|Tails777}} Per all.

===Comments===

:::Considering Kodansha also made a licensed manga series for Mario, I'm inclined to believe it too is official. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:17, August 3, 2023 (EDT)

::::Is speculation all you've really got on that? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 13:29, August 3, 2023 (EDT)

:Another counterpoint alongside Doc's comment regarding your first point, Arend: Bob-ombs, which the wiki considers to be the same enemy between ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' and ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', have two variations in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', only one of which (the tank variety, which only appears late in the game, long after the wind-up variety) behaves the same as the Bob-ombs in ''Super Mario Bros. 2'', yet we consider these to be the same enemy nonetheless owing to their similar (but not identical, much like the Panser and Volcano Lotus) appearances and behavior between games. {{User:Pseudo/sig}} 18:24, August 1, 2023 (EDT)

:: It should be noted however, the Pansers have separate Japanese names for each color and multiple proposals have failed despite the same Japanese name. Just look at Froggy/Frog Pirate for instance. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:06, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

::::Uh, isn't that a point in the proposal's favour, if anything? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 13:24, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

:::"''the Pansers have separate Japanese names for each color''" - those are parenthesis identifiers, which were used for all color variations in SMB2. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 13:42, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

@FanOfYoshi: How I see it, Bubble Dayzee is a different situation due to being a variant that co-exists with its parent species in the same game. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 14:05, August 2, 2023 (EDT)

: Now one thing about the Japanese stuff is that they have a tendency to give the same Japanese names to different species, e.g. Thwomp Block from Donkey Kong '94 and Broozers. Does that mean we merge them? No, it just means they have the same names because of the same concept or something but are otherwise completely separate. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 10:54, August 3, 2023 (EDT)

::I sincerely doubt they just ''happened'' to give a fireball-spitting upward-facing giant flower enemy the same very specific pun name in two games of the same series released only five years apart by the same development team, the latter game also bringing back several other enemies straight from the former game (Pokey, Ninji, Pidgit...) While yes, some entities do share names in the language-of-origin, those usually have nothing in common, are from games released many years apart, and are by completely different teams. I also want to point out that V. Lotus is named not by a guide, but by the game's ending sequence... meaning the games actual development team knowingly named it Ponkey, after the SMUSA enemy. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:00, August 3, 2023 (EDT)