MarioWiki:Main Page talk archive 20: Difference between revisions

== Featured articles ==

Featured articles have a major problem - many of them seem to have been identified as such only because of mass voting, but not because they were actually good enough. For example, the Luigi's Mansion isn't even done, and the incomplete Plot section is nine paragraphs about the first ten minutes of the game. That would mean that the plot, if the whole thing follows suit, would be more than 100 paragraphs long. On top of this, featuring articles on Wikipedia often leads to the articles decaying because of lack of interest (as a result of the editors deciding that once they've reached the highest rank the article can receive, there's not much left for the article). Imagine what happens to FAs here - they're nominated quickly, promoted quickly, and abandoned quickly.

While I can't say much about images (someone please link me to one of these problem articles), some of the pressure will be taken off the server once Wayoshi teaches us how t use the Mass Delete function.

== New on the Mario Wiki scene, but with one question ==

Hi all, the name's M. C., and I'm on a mission to help the Mario Wiki the best that I can (created my account yesterday)! However, there's one small prob -- I was hoping to see about editing the Mario Super Sluggers article page to add in materials, but I found that the page is semi-protected. Any reason as to why this is so? All right; take care, everyone -- and thanks. --[[User:MeritC|M. C. - "Mario Gals" Enthusiast!]] 12:42, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

:As with all of the popular Upcoming/Recently released games article, that page got frequently vandalized, I think. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:45, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Character Debut Insanity! ==

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait -- let me get this straight -- in the regards to my recent edits, it's been driving me crazy! So am I led to the conclusion that the debut of certain characters in the Mario series are mainly targeted to <b>where</b> they debuted, regardless of it's a game installment or anything else in relation to the Mario series as a whole (including outside of the games)?

== Notice regarding passed proposal ==

== Chatroom ==

Not sure where to bring this up, but here seems OK.

So there's my case to be re-promoted, and my proof. {{User:Girrrtacos/sig}}

::Girrrtacos: This doesn't excuse the fact that during your stay as op, you broke several rules such as swearing in another language and making several inappropriate posts. And yes, we all agreed on this: '''You never did anything'''.

2. I kicked and banned people when I was there. So what your saying is, don't have any ops in that timezone because we can't monitor them? Than what's the point of <b>having these ops in the first place?</b> {{User:Girrrtacos/sig}}

== Game Guide Insanity ==

:::With everyone seeing it either black or white and not accepting compromises, we get nowhere on a community wiki. When it is disputed, then we should take note of that and say that the information is from the guide only and not from the games, thus less reliable. We shouldn't say it without the notice, but not get rid of it either. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:20, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

::Well, we could note that a guide/instruction manual/whatever said something, but we should also notes that said guide have errors/inconsistencies and thus, shouldn't be taken as a valid source. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 06:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

== Character info "connections" ==

Sorry if I'm going nuts over here, but it seems like that's the only conclusion I'm coming across here. --[[User:MeritC|M. C. - &quot;Mario Gals&quot; Enthusiast!]]

== Messed Up Templates ==

The problem appears specially  to those optional descriptions: If you look on the templates' pages, the optional info is held by the next syntax:

I've fixed it, everyone. :) Some random n00b user thought that {{tem|!}} was spam and deleted it. Template:! is actually a substitute of the all-important | character, and is used quite often in the more complex templates. I'm in the process (damn slow computer) of protecting it now, sorry I somehow didn't do that before. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:39, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::{{user|Hlavco}} is the culprit. Makes sure to pick your Torchs and Pitchforks!--[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:53, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

== Chatroom Troll ==

why does the qoute have vandilism?--[[User:Blue Blooper|Blue Blooper]] 10:00, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

== Main page proposal needs updating ==

Just thought I'd like to point out that the proposal currently shown on the main page was archived yesterday. {{User:Pikax/sig}} 12:33, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

== HELP ==

Does anyone know how to solve this problem ; when I get into some users talk pages I end up being given a notice that says internet finds a problem. Does anyone have this prbolem ?{{User:Fg/sig}}

:Some browsers have trouble supporting talk pages...especially large ones. There could also be some coding problems on the talk pages. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 17:59, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

== SMB3 Background scenes ==

Can I upload all the levels including airships, fortress, etc. in here from super mario bros. 3? As I have the sprites for these backgrounds. Anyone agree?{{User:Fg/sig}}

Here's the vote:<br>

You should make this an actual [[Mariowiki:Proposals|Proposal]]. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 19:28, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:This currently follows Wiki policy as seen with the Super Mario Bros. pages for worlds 1-8, so you don't even need to ask.  Maps help articles look good and also made nice reference for other articles!  But, Walkazo is right: making a concrete proposal would ensure that no one will erase your hard work. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 22:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

As long as everybody agrees I will start uploading smb3 pics. {{User:Fg/sig}}

== Uploading Images ==

I have a question: Whenever I upload an image can I put this - symbol in the filename? Despite the rules says please do not use & nor + cause it can corrupted images.{{User:Fg/sig}}

:Minus symbols are allowed, only plus and & create problems. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:27, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

== Too much focus on SSB? ==

There have been many complaints concerning the SSB articles on the wiki. They cover quite a lot, while not being truly Mario-related. When looking at a page like [[Captain Falcon]], I see no real reason for it to exist.

*Character pages have

:::::Garlic Man: When we would merge the special move pages to the characters (have Falcon Punch in Captain Falcon's article), then they would actually provide information that's not somewhere else. We wouldn't need to delete them in that case. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:28, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

:You're going to want to take that up with the other users (I think Cobold is the one you want to see), but I think that the SSB Wikia is the most prominent but some users have problems with it.  My understanding is that we are an alternative where readers can be assured that manipulative glitches, famous SSB players, and fan content will not interfere with the central, official sources. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:13, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::Before I say if I'm for or against this whole idea, I want to ask: Isn't any other '''main''' character article the same in this case? Take [[Mario]] for example: It gives descriptions of his roles in every game he's been in, (which is already in the games' articles); it explains his different moves and abilities, (which can be found [[Abilities|here]] and on the games' articles that allow him said abilities); it gives a list of quotes, (which each game now has a "list of quotes" page); it gives a gallery of artwork from each game he's been in, (which can be placed in the games' articles if it hasn't already); it explains his relations with other main characters, (which is already depicted in the storyline of each game he has had a role with said person(s) in); it has a list of his ''SSB'' series trophies, (which can be found on the "list of trophies" page for the according ''SSB'' game); once all of that has been removed, you are left with a menial trivia section which most likely has each point mentioned elsewhere in game articles, (i.e. his ''Strikers'' outfit number). But, I could be misinterpreting something here that would completely change my mind. All in all, for now I support the safekeeping of the ''SSB'' character articles. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 03:29, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

== Captain Rainbow ==

I would like to know your opinions about the references to ''Mario''-unrelated characters in the [[Captain Rainbow]] article. Please [[Talk:Captain Rainbow#Story Section|go here]], thanks. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 07:05, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Article or Cameo.... ==

I was listing all the mario games I have on my user page when I realized I forgot '''Tetris''' for the Gameboy. In 2 player mode, player 1 is Mario and Player 2 is Luigi. However when I went to link the page, there is no article created for the origional tetris, only later versions ([[Tetris DS]] etc....). Anyways I was wondering if this appearence should be made as a cameo or the whole game as an article (as tetris DS has its own article).

==Automatic Translator==

I've been thinking very hard on this idea, but I don't know if it could work. Is it possible for the MarioWiki to have an auto-translator? For instance: if one of our users lived in France, our articles appear in English to them. If he/she spoke very little English, it could be hard for him/her to edit the article in English. I find this unfair to any user who has trouble speaking English. Here's my idea: is it possible for that French user to see the article entirely in French? Then, he/she could edit the article in French. Now, at the same time, for someone who speaks English, that same article would appear in English, and any edits that Frenchman made would also appear in English. The same would apply for a person who lives in Japan, Spain, Russia, Iran, etcetera.

Wow, that was embarassing. :/ {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:47, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

:Hmm, I see all of your points. It was just a concept; that's why I wanted opinions. I was toying around with some coding the other day, and thought I could make it work, but I got stuck. :| {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 23:18, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

== Different Timelines ==

For those of you who haven't noticed, since no one protested it, I've gone ahead and updated the MarioWiki:Chronology page with the claim that the film occurs in a different timeline - which we know because the narrator establishes it as a what-if scenario.  Because of this, I was wondering if we should separate character articles by timeline a la the Sonic characters on Wikipedia.  This would also mean that Super Smash Bros. appearances would be separated, but perhaps we should wait on that and just see how the movie thing would go. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:20, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

:I don't think Super Smash Bros. appearances should be separated considering there's little to tell. No sports game fits into the time line anyway. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

== Release date formatting ==

Currently, the Wiki has many different ways of formatting release date lists.

E.g:

:I noticed the same problem with Wikipedia recently; sometimes they use flags, sometimes letters, and whatnot. The thing about flags, though, is when we say "North America", that(as you said), is not exclusively the US, so we can't just put the American Flag. I always thought it was: "JP", "US", "EU", and "Aus". But there's no real official thing, so, I'm not sure if any are "correct". {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} As for China, SK, etc. I'm not sure. Maybe then we'll have to put everything else as well. (kinda useless)

:::I think the reason for using the South Korean and Chinese release dates is that the games get localized for these regions. Other regions such as Latin America and South Africa just get the American or European version, as far as I know. In total, there would be six regions we cover, which all get their own version of a game (or at least five of them, are there significant differences in Australian versions?). That's okay in my opinion. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 04:10, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

::::For flags it should go okay to simply use the USA flag because of lack of alternatives. We should only change it when we keep the letters. We could use the USA flag, the Japanese flag, the Flag of Europe and the Flag of Australia for most of our stuff. I think this is also too trivial for a proposal. Anybody opposing? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:24, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

== Attention Sysops ==

We are currently having a discussion about the fate of the Canonicity policy. More than likely, you have already received the notice e-mail and know about the discussion. However, if you, for some ungodly reason, are a Sysops without a forum account, make one and PM Steve about gaining access to the Sysops board. We will hear no complaints about it not being fair that you couldn't participate in the discussion simple because you were to lazy to register.

:Wait, there is? <s>I'm not a sysop don't kill meeeee</s> I thought it was a discussion about removing certain sections from Character articles. Anyway, I guess non-sysops can't read it, so... our opinions cannot be heard. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} Yeah, yeah, I know. It's not a democracy, as sysops have told me countless many times...

:::Staff? What are we, a non-profit organization? :P Anyway, can we at least know what the discussion is about? {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

::::Read above, lol. Canon. [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]], in particular, we're reviewing. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 01:09, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

:::::Yes, I know ''that'' :P. Like, what about the "policy's fate"? Is something going to change? {{USer:Garlic Man/sig}}

==Un-Featuring Articles==

== Wait... I'm trying to clear this up in my mind... ==

Okay, so I have just done the honors of merging [[Mario_Super_Sluggers#The_.22Challenge_Mode_Cutscenes.22|this]] into the main article for ''Mario Super Sluggers'' (as the majority requested from a proposal). Still, am I led to conclude that the main target is to be sure that ALL info is on <i>one</i> article, unless it <i>really</i> needs to be branched off? Because I have a feeling that's the mission for a majority of articles here on the SMW. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! 12:48, 29 August 2008 (EDT) [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]]

:Something that I didn't get a chance to voice on the proposal is that it would be a good idea for the longer articles to use main article sections to link to much more detailed articles.  Imagine how much more manageable the game articles would be if we had articles like: "Super Mario Sluggers storyline." {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:04, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

==Adds==

Can we remove the adds? they're annyoing the **** out of me! [[User:Superjustin|Superjustin]] 15:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:Get FireFox and the Adblock Plus extension. There won't be any other way to browse the wiki without ads. The ads give Steve money, and Steve needs money to pay for the wiki's servers. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:04, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:FIVE MILLION!??! Wow! I had no clue the MP was viewed that much... but, any sites would link to the main page. Bah; its still unexpected. Anyways, CONGRATS! --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 21:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

::I've been seeing our links more and more lately!  I even had to remove advertising for this site from the Animal Crossing Wiki I admin at... ha, ha, ha, ha!  LOVE IT! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 23:03, 3 September 2008 (EDT)