Talk:Fireball (Donkey Kong)

What is the source of this name? In an old NES manual, these enemies are called "Fireballs." -- Son of Suns (talk)

I also think this name is questionable. It comes from the English version of the DOJO: [1]. But the Japanese version calls it "Ojamamushi" (おじゃまむし), so "trouble bug", which is not even capitalized, is a literal translation of the Japanese name and was never used anywhere else. In the manual of Donkey Kong '94 for Game Boy, it is called "Fire", the former name of this article, in a gallery of a few enemies, so at least "Fire" is official for sure. --Grandy02 11:40, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Move back to Fireball

I admit that I originally initiated to move this article from Fireball (Donkey Kong) to the current Fire. But that was before I knew that the Foxfires have a different name. The name "Fire" comes from the Game Boy Donkey Kong manual, but it is written under a picture of Foxfire. As it isn't clear whether "Fire" only refers to Foxfire or is a collective term for both fire enemies, Fire should be moved back to "Fireball (Donkey Kong)" and everything stays as it was before. --Grandy02 11:59, 22 January 2010 (EST)

I've been researching this for a while too. Here is what I came up with from examining various game manuals:

• Head only enemy (trouble bug)
  • Atari 8-bit: Firefox (in-game sprite looks more like below)
  • Commodore 64 (Atarisoft version): Fireball

• creature with tail (100m)
  • Atari 2600: Fireball
  • NES: Fireball
  • Gameboy: Fire

The name Foxfire is found only in a very old unofficial strategy guide. There is one more manual that needs to be examined, that is the Donkey Kong Original Edition's manual. Any European who bought a 25th Anniversary red Wii should have a yellow manual for it. Since it is the latest, it should be the most official but I can't find any scans for it. Please scan it and show us if you have it.--Platform 07:29, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I've inspected the DKOE "instruction manual" but there was nothing helpful. I don't know if official guidebooks for DK '94 or Mario vs. DK exist. I know Mario vs. DK books exist in Japanese, but that's somewhat less important. I am going to swap the data between Fire and Firefox pages using the official materials we have.--Platform 08:06, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

All mysteries explained

Alright, I've finally realized that Fire=Firefox. These two are the same enemy. They start out small in the first three levels until the climatic confrontation in 100m. This is why all instruction manuals only depict one or the other but not both. It also explains why they only have one name in Japanese. Since Fire is the last official name given by Nintendo of America, these two pages should be merged into Fire.--Platform 02:16, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

DKWiki

calls the 100m fireballs Trouble Bugs. I am only a DKWiki reader. I only use MarioWiki. Unshy Guy (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2013 (EST)

Weird. Still, I'd like to know the source of the name. Oh, according to the above comments, Trouble Bug is a literal translation that is not used anywhere else. In official games regarding Donkey Kong, they call this simply "fire". It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:42, 15 November 2013 (EST)

Drum Fire, Trouble Bug, and Fire

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While I know it isn't the most accurate source regarding differences, it is worth noting that they are all listed as separate enemies [[2]] [[3]] [[4]] in the Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Encyclopedia. And unlike those other examples, these are all within one game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2017 (CT)

Bump. The 100m enemies, which are clearly different, were merged with the other type for an extremely bizarre and speculative reason (see two sections above). Given these two, at the very least, are separate enemies, with separate Japanese names, separate appearances, and separate behaviors, all from the same game to boot, these should definitely be split. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 17:47, 30 January 2018 (EST)

From what I gather, the book seems to accidentally list together the arcade enemies (note it's labeled "Trouble Bug (Fire)"), while keeping the Game Boy enemies as "Drum Fire" and "Fire" separately. "Fire" refers to the tailed one on 100m (confirmed by the Game Boy manual), whereas "Fireball" (from the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series) now refers to the common round one. I suggest splitting "Fireball (Donkey Kong)" and "Fire", although various ports give Fireball's name to Fire. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:00, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

As a side note on that, I find it odd they remade the art for the normal one for the Arcade section, given their sprites were the only ones that hadn't been altered in some way. Maybe they're separate concept arts from separate game-specific Shogakukan? Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:14, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

"First generic enemies in a Mario game"

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I don't see why this needs to be in the opening paragraph. If not removed altogether, it should at least be relegated to another section. TheDarkStar 15:03, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

Donkey Kong

Should it be split? -- FanOfYoshi 07:59, December 25, 2019 (EST)