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 ::So would I. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 22:49, 28 February 2018 (EST)
 :FA's are the best articles the wiki has to offer. Sure they're picked by the community, but the final list of articles for people to peruse are just wiki articles, and wiki articles are navigation. Proposals are 100% community input on changes to make. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:28, 1 March 2018 (EST)
+===Make an exception for the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series in our coverage policy===
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|8-0|Make an exception}}
+This proposal stems largely from [https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39608.0 a discussion thread] started by Blocky, and it's recommended to read that first.
+If we wanted to change our current coverage of the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' series, our current [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage policy]] offers two logical options: the series is either a guest appearance or a crossover. Calling it a guest appearance is not that good: there are a notable amount of characters, locations, items, and other elements pulled directly from the ''Mario'' franchise, and it figures heavily into the ''Smash'' series' promotion, so it doesn't seem particularly right to say that the ''Mario'' content is on the same level as ''[[Captain Rainbow]]'' or ''[[SSX on Tour]]''. At the same time, however, calling it a crossover (which is the option that the wiki currently uses) isn't satisfying either: as much as the ''Mario'' content factors into the series, it doesn't take up a majority in the slightest, so it's disingenuous to treat it as if its content is equal in stature to ''[[Mario & Sonic (series)|Mario & Sonic]]'' or ''[[Fortune Street]]''. Keep in mind that, as a crossover, ''every'' single subject within the series should get an individual page, and there's a certain point where covering every single special move and Smash Run enemy feels like it oversteps a boundary (which is to say nothing of [[smashwiki:the SmashWiki]] that already covers these subjects better than we ever could). The wiki already ''has'' made judgements about what content shouldn't be given individual pages, mainly with various stage elements, but that completely contradicts our existing policy.
+If neither option available to us is acceptable, then what should we do? Simple: make a third option.
+This proposal aims to add an exception to our coverage policy, essentially saying that the ''Smash'' series is neither a crossover nor a guest appearance, but something unique unto itself. If it is excluded from the other sections, then it would be entirely possible to come up with systematic changes that wouldn't involve broadly changing how every series is covered. Note that this proposal doesn't say ''what'' will change; it merely leaves the door open for changes in the first place. Discussions and proposals about the particulars can take place afterwards.
+A draft of the proposed section can be found [[User:Time Turner/unfinished#MarioWiki:Coverage draft|at this link]].
+'''Proposer''': {{User|Time Turner}} (with input from {{User|Superchao}})<br>
+'''Deadline''': March 9, 2018, 23:59 GMT
+====Support====
+#{{User|Time Turner}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Superchao}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per proposal.  I was actually more than ready to tag [[Ghost (Find Mii)|these]] [[Trophy (Super Smash Bros. series)|pages]] for deletion anyway.
+#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} Per proposal.
+#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Sounds good. If someone wants to find out more information about anything in the SSB series, they go to either the Smash Wiki or another Wiki which deals with the character they are looking for. Per proposal.
+#{{User|Camwood777}} - Per proposal... I can't say anything else here, it's all been said, weh.
+====Oppose====
+====Comments====
+Per what I said in the thread. I see no issue with how we are presently doing things, but I'm also open to a change. Due to that, I can neither support nor oppose, but I'll agree with whatever option goes through<small><small><small>I kinda have to anyway</small></small></small> :) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:43, 23 February 2018 (EST)
+:I find we cover a lot of non-Mario things than Mario things when covering the [[Super Smash Bros. (series)|''Super Smash Bros.'' series]], since Time Turner says that Mario content doesn't even come close to the majority of Smash's total content. I am neutral, just like Alex95, but because I don't know what this proposal will imply in the future. My hope is less non-Mario content gets covered on {{SITENAME}} as SmashWiki offers the best coverage and is the most cited source. We should just merely link to SmashWiki for non-Mario things but use {{tem|NIWA}} for Mario game fighters/items/stages/etc., but I realize a lot of people are not on-board with that idea so easily. Don't think of my thoughts as negative. We should take pride in our ability to specialize in the Mario franchise instead of overreaching into other series that those articles end up mostly getting neglected for longer periods of time. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:01, 24 February 2018 (EST)
+::I do agree that our coverage of Smash is probably more comprehensive that necessary, but I don't think that there is really anything ''wrong'' with it. Nevertheless, I do see what Time Turner is saying. I would support this, but choose not to until I have some idea of exactly ''what'' we are changing. It's not enough for me to decide whether or not to make a change; I need to agree with whatever change is specifically proposed.
+::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 14:09, 25 February 2018 (EST)
+:::To be clear, no specific change is being proposed at the moment. This proposal's goal is to allow those future changes, whatever they may be, to occur in the first place. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:10, 25 February 2018 (EST)
+Sort of a nebulous proposal. Can't pass this and then make major changes because there's no detail of changes to be made here (other than make Smash its own thing, but we don't know what that really means yet). So then you'd need a new proposal of the changes you'd like to make, but you could have just made that proposal without this one. Anyway, it's a start! --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:33, 25 February 2018 (EST)
+:I definitely intend this to be a start. I have thoughts on what should and shouldn't stay, but so does everyone else, and charging forward with "a, b, and d should all be deleted, but not c and e" would be more trouble than its worth (and that'd contradict our coverage policy in the first place, hence this proposal). {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 14:46, 25 February 2018 (EST)
+::Steve's comment is exactly why I'm not voting in this proposal. I've already DM'ed Time Turner how I felt about this and his comment is pretty much my reasons for concern. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:12, 28 February 2018 (EST)
+:::Exact same reason why I'm neutral myself. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 15:18, 1 March 2018 (EST)