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:::::Looks heated a bit. Proceed with the discussion but let's keep cool and assume good faith, okey dokey? Not directed at either Shadow or Hewer, just making a general statement. {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:20, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | :::::Looks heated a bit. Proceed with the discussion but let's keep cool and assume good faith, okey dokey? Not directed at either Shadow or Hewer, just making a general statement. {{User:Mario/sig}} 23:20, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::::What are you talking about? I ended my last comment by telling you the information there is here: what the icons look like, and what characters are shown on the icons for each course. Perhaps not very exciting, but valid, relevant information nonetheless. If your argument is that there is no information, then it's simply a wrong argument. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:42, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::::What are you talking about? I ended my last comment by telling you the information there is here: what the icons look like, and what characters are shown on the icons for each course. Perhaps not very exciting, but valid, relevant information nonetheless. If your argument is that there is no information, then it's simply a wrong argument. {{User:Hewer/sig}} 02:42, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::::::"This image has Mario", "This image has Luigi" is not information, those are descriptors. I have asked at least four or five times across this proposal for someone to explain to me ''what'' these images mean, and ''why'' they have different characters on them. Nobody has answered this question. Does nobody actually know? Or, even worse, is there no actual meaning behind the images at all? That is the "information" I am talking about. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 00:58, May 14, 2024 (EDT) | |||
:The Mushroom Gorge icons are relevant to the Mushroom Gorge article because they are Mushroom Gorge icons. 🧐 {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 05:37, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | :The Mushroom Gorge icons are relevant to the Mushroom Gorge article because they are Mushroom Gorge icons. 🧐 {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 05:37, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:: In the past we've removed uploads for being excessive, character information for being esoteric or off-puttingly detailled, trivia sections for posting blunt statement of facts that are overly specific or don't have any greater point. [[Mariowiki:Good Writing#Fan Worship|Our own good writing guidelines page]] warn about going overboad on details and while it's specifically about page writing, the same philosophy could be extended to uploads and when "comprehensive" becomes ''too much''. I'm not saying not necessarily that's the case for these icons here (though I would likely vote in favour if the ammendments Sophie suggested above were made) but we've in fact cut information before for being uninteresting/useless/irrelevant. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 12:18, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | :: In the past we've removed uploads for being excessive, character information for being esoteric or off-puttingly detailled, trivia sections for posting blunt statement of facts that are overly specific or don't have any greater point. [[Mariowiki:Good Writing#Fan Worship|Our own good writing guidelines page]] warn about going overboad on details and while it's specifically about page writing, the same philosophy could be extended to uploads and when "comprehensive" becomes ''too much''. I'm not saying not necessarily that's the case for these icons here (though I would likely vote in favour if the ammendments Sophie suggested above were made) but we've in fact cut information before for being uninteresting/useless/irrelevant. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 12:18, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
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::I feel as though people are considering this a video game history archive, which is not this site's purpose. If people are concerned about preserving these course icons now that the game is shut down, it doesn't need to be here on this site. ({{@|Arend}}) [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 22:21, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | ::I feel as though people are considering this a video game history archive, which is not this site's purpose. If people are concerned about preserving these course icons now that the game is shut down, it doesn't need to be here on this site. ({{@|Arend}}) [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 22:21, May 12, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::The wiki does, in fact, double as an archive and this proposal is contrary to that. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 01:09, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::The wiki does, in fact, double as an archive and this proposal is contrary to that. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 01:09, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::::Please inform me where my proposal says we will be deleting images off of the wiki entirely. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 00:58, May 14, 2024 (EDT) | |||
::::This proposal is about either removing these from the galleries of the course articles or simply splitting the galleries off so they don't bloat the track articles--not deleting the images outright (since those will still be on the articles for the corresponding tours as-is). The only thing that'd be "deleted" (by some definition of the word) are the various gallery entries in the most extreme scenario. Call this "pedantic" if you so desire. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 02:19, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ::::This proposal is about either removing these from the galleries of the course articles or simply splitting the galleries off so they don't bloat the track articles--not deleting the images outright (since those will still be on the articles for the corresponding tours as-is). The only thing that'd be "deleted" (by some definition of the word) are the various gallery entries in the most extreme scenario. Call this "pedantic" if you so desire. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 02:19, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::::I have no reason to call you pedantic. Don't know why people got so offended by my use of that word. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 02:45, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::::I have no reason to call you pedantic. Don't know why people got so offended by my use of that word. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 02:45, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
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:::I honestly think that the article is fine, it just needs its gallery split due to the amount of images. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 10:53, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::I honestly think that the article is fine, it just needs its gallery split due to the amount of images. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 10:53, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:::I don't think it's terribly useful to show the subject from so many different angles and in so many settings, so the Kanaami Road page could use some trimming. But my point in support of these icons' usefulness isn't that they're different enough from each other to show new information individually, it's that they deserve to be grouped somewhere specific rather than just scattered across tour pages, and since they're designated to specific courses (e.g. in-game, the Mario Circuit icon is coupled with the "Mario Circuit" label on the course selection), the most readily available place for that purpose are course pages. I just don't see the harm in doing so and I think the situation is way overblown especially seeing as these icons, even collectively, occupy an almost insignificant amount of space on the server. If loading times become an issue and one gets extremely impatient waiting 5 seconds for the New York Minute page to load, just split the whole gallery into its own page like it's been done with hundreds of articles. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 11:25, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | :::I don't think it's terribly useful to show the subject from so many different angles and in so many settings, so the Kanaami Road page could use some trimming. But my point in support of these icons' usefulness isn't that they're different enough from each other to show new information individually, it's that they deserve to be grouped somewhere specific rather than just scattered across tour pages, and since they're designated to specific courses (e.g. in-game, the Mario Circuit icon is coupled with the "Mario Circuit" label on the course selection), the most readily available place for that purpose are course pages. I just don't see the harm in doing so and I think the situation is way overblown especially seeing as these icons, even collectively, occupy an almost insignificant amount of space on the server. If loading times become an issue and one gets extremely impatient waiting 5 seconds for the New York Minute page to load, just split the whole gallery into its own page like it's been done with hundreds of articles. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 11:25, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
::::"they're different enough from each other to show new information individually". What information do they provide? As a casual reader, I look at these and do not understand what these images are, and why Mario is on one while Luigi is on another. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 00:58, May 14, 2024 (EDT) | |||
::::Worth noting that [[:Category:Mario Kart Tour track icons]] has all of these grouped and organized alphabetically by course, so it would still be somewhere on-site if someone really wants to see that, at least. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:49, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ::::Worth noting that [[:Category:Mario Kart Tour track icons]] has all of these grouped and organized alphabetically by course, so it would still be somewhere on-site if someone really wants to see that, at least. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:49, May 13, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:{{@|Koopa con Carne}} I say this respectfully and in good faith, and I am not signaling you out, as it seems that a few active users share the same sentiment. However, the "spirit" behind that comment bothers me. If readability does not matter, what is the point of having a wiki? What is our purpose? Who is this for? | :{{@|Koopa con Carne}} I say this respectfully and in good faith, and I am not signaling you out, as it seems that a few active users share the same sentiment. However, the "spirit" behind that comment bothers me. If readability does not matter, what is the point of having a wiki? What is our purpose? Who is this for? | ||