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==[[Special:Diff/4028510]]==
There isn't currently a discussion for moving Monchee to a new name, [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Do not rename articles until the relevant media has released|and there won't be in the near future]]--but I have created a section concerning the legitimacy of the "monkey" thing. I'm actually curious to hear your feelings on the points I made. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:42, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
:I know, I was referencing that very proposal in my summary. February 16 isn't ''too'' far away (unlike ''The Thousand-Year Door'', we have a date for ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong''), and honestly, I think it's a little fruitless to argue for or against it in particular until then. Considering the same development team seems to be in charge of the remake, I'm really not expecting many radical changes English-namewise, and I personally interpret this is as one-off by a promoter who didn't phone in and coordinate with the developers. Confusing "source wars"(?) comment aside, I don't think IP was too off base. But, maybe you're right, and this could very well be a sign of things to come. We'll have to see. We can afford to let it sit still for a while. Maybe there's a broader discussion to be had about the proper identification of generic descriptors for wiki use, but that's more complex as it's often been case-by-case. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:34, October 27, 2023 (EDT)
::I'd like to clarify that I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect new material to embrace the old "Monchee" name or even go the other route and make some changes. It's why that proposal exists. Though, I believe some manner of accuracy to the "current story", as Miyamoto would put it, is still paramount, and I don't think the way I presented that status quo is disruptive. Indeed there should be a broader discussion on the topic. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:54, October 27, 2023 (EDT)

== Super Mario RPG artworks ==

I don't think Mario, Peach and Bowser should use their Super Mario RPG artworks in the infoboxes at all because their designs do differ a bit from usual, like Mario's face and Peach's shorter height. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 15:17, November 10, 2023 (EST)
:Fair enough. Funny because the originals were what the 2D art was imagined to look like in 3D, but now that the art design has evolved, it's the remake that looks more stylized, when it's really just mostly keeping in spirit with the original. I think Peach's height is a minor illusion in that her modern dress design makes her look stockier, and Bowser doesn't look too far off (mainly slightly making his horns bigger and spikes smaller). But I can agree that the characters not using ''Super Mario RPG'' top images probably don't need to be changed to the remade versions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:16, November 11, 2023 (EST)

== Super Mario RPG ==

Hey! I left a message [https://www.mariowiki.com/Talk:List_of_Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars_pre-release_and_unused_content#Help_finding_a_scan_source_with_to-dos here] about something to do with all the screenshots you found. I wanted to notify you here so you could get around to documenting everything as soon as possible. Would you take a look at what I suggested? Thanks! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 14:15, November 21, 2023 (EST)

Update: I just let the people on The Cutting Room Floor know about what you found (the message I left is [https://tcrf.net/Prerelease_talk:Super_Mario_RPG:_Legend_of_the_Seven_Stars here,] if you're interested in what I said). so they may document some of your finds. If they do, you could use what they put into the Mario RPG prerelease page on their website into the same page on this website. I did this so that we could add stuff even more quickly. Thank you for finding all of this; it's really cool. I hope I helped a little bit! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 14:30, November 21, 2023 (EST)
:Thank you. I do have a TCRF handle, though I haven't been very active in a while. I knew for some time that there is a lot more undocumented stuff in ''Super Mario RPG'' than people know in the public sphere, so it's always humbling to see there's even more I didn't know about. You can see recent edits to the main game page for starters if that interests you. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:00, November 23, 2023 (EST)
::Okay, I will. I'd like to help you add what you found to the page on this wiki, so I'll see what I can do about that soon. I might also help add some of your finds to the Super Mario RPG page on TCRF, as you found a '''''lot''''' of things that they have not covered. There's a lot to sort through, but I'll try to work out how to do everything. Thank you! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 13:52, November 23, 2023 (EST)
:::I just wanted to ask, but do you have an account on TCRF? If so, could you tell me your username? I'm only asking because it would potentially help me when I'm trying to add your finds onto TCRF, and I'd be able to contact you there as well if I have any questions. I will not use your username to damage your account or impersonate you in any way (that is, if you tell me your username in the first place). If you don't want to tell me your username for any reason, that's okay. I don't want to invade your privacy. If you wish to contact me on TCRF, my username is FanOfRosalina2007 (the same as it is here). Thank you so, so much! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 16:44, November 23, 2023 (EST)
::::Ah, I'll unfortunately be a little too busy for the rest of the year to be uploading images, but if you have any questions about them, I can take them. Like I said in the pre-release talk page, I think it may be easier to start by uploading the English-language material (something I meant to do a while back), and then the Japanese material could be dissected next. A lot of that stuff is in better quality or clearer than the things out there now. As for my username, it used to be LinkTheLefty there too. LinkTheLefty is a silly response at Link being right-handed in the Wii version of ''Twilight Princess''. I've been LinkTheLefty here at the wiki for long enough that it might feel strange to change it now. Maybe I should've gone for a Mario-themed one, like Nitpicker? Well, if you do a user talk search on TCRF, it's not hard to figure out my username there. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:04, November 23, 2023 (EST)
:::::Okay, I'll start in on that. Also, I looked you up on TCRF, and it said that an admin (specifically Rachel Mae) had renamed you to AutumnMouse. Is this accurate? And do you know anyone who could help me with starting to document the images and maybe assisting me in general? I'm very new to coding and uploading images and other external things in general (I actually have no experience whatsoever). I'm also pretty young, so I can't access some sites easily. I'll do what I can, but I might need other users to help me with actually uploading things. I will ask you if I happen to need any help. Thanks! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 22:38, November 23, 2023 (EST)
::::::Sure, I believe I go by Autumn there, but call me LinkTheLefty or LTL here. I'm not too active at other wikis including TCRF right now, so it's better to contact me here. I didn't even recognize Rachel (aka Rusty) until I looked it up just now. As for who can help around here, I would point to {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}}, whose judgment I trust about 99% of the time <small>(dat 1% tho - nah I kid)</small>, or {{User|RHG1951}}, who uploaded the initial batch of those pre-release images from a third-party magazine back in 2021. As for who can help at TCRF? [[tcrf:User:Mantis|Mantis]] ([[tcrf:User talk:Mantis|talk]]) started [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars/Prerelease Screenshots|this page]], so maybe you can start there; for translation, [[tcrf:User:GlitterBerri|GlitterBerri]] ([[tcrf:User talk:GlitterBerri|talk]]) is experienced. Since I'm familiar with the Japanese version of ''Super Mario RPG'' more than...well, most, I can definitely lend a help with that. Or if you can wait, I can probably get started on this myself sometime in early 2024, though it would be neat to get this out while the remake's hot. If you'd like to get started on this sooner than later, do let me know if anyone at TCRF wants to get in touch in me. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:30, November 24, 2023 (EST)
:::::::Okay, thanks for the help. I can wait until 2024, especially because it would give me time to learn how to upload images and other things, so I could contribute more to this project. Meanwhile, I will try to contact the people you mentioned and see if they could help. There's actually only two or three screenshots on the Super Mario RPG prerelease page on TCRF, and I think once we're done putting information on this wiki, I could transfer some of it to TCRF. I do think we should  get this out sooner than later, but only time will tell. I'll get started on contacting people today. Thanks so much! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 13:34, November 24, 2023 (EST)
:Update: I've contacted all of the people you mentioned, but I'm still waiting for three of them to respond. Again, thanks for the help! -- {{User:FanOfRosalina2007/sig}} 19:05, November 26, 2023 (EST)

== About the Eye Beamer/Torpedo Launcher situation ==

So... About those two... I saw your edit on the Torpedo Launcher about an alternative to implement the "Encyclopedia" template, and i saw you mentioned that a proposal would be necessary for this. Even before seeing your edit summary, i was considering a proposal too. At first, i thought a proposal on its talk page would work, but then i remembered Eye Beamer, so i figured it might need to be a general policy proposal directly made on [[MarioWiki:Proposals]]. Were you referring to a general policy proposal, in your edit summary? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:30, December 5, 2023 (EST)
:Well, there's a few things I wanted to touch on regarding the new template. The first thing was already addressed [[Talk:Marimba Block|here]], and it's looking fairly smooth, so I don't think a proposal is needed. The second thing I wanted to get to was getting a firmer guideline on what to use when internal and foreign names overlap, like, as a former example, Banekiti. My take is, "hey, if internal data is our official source for transliterations, we might as use them," but with a second template in the picture and the name isn't English, it raises the question of which template is appropriate (partially why I resisted the template for a while). Third thing I wanted to discuss was a continuation of Doc's proposed templates [[MarioWiki talk:Naming#Comments 3|here]]. A limitation of the template is that it's not worded to include things like the ''Wario Land 4'' source assets, which came from an outside source (pre-compiled rather then post-compiled game data). If the scope were expanded to include other development sources, it would cover those things adequately. These might be possible with discussion if they're not contentious. Now, in regards to Eye Beamer/Launch Pads... Those would still have to be templated under the encyclopedia banner (unless we use "torpedo tube" from the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Prima guide, but that looks off when those ones are different from usual and it doesn't account for the red version). But if you wanted to swap naming tiers so that Encyclopedia material had more priority over internal/development stuff, that would definitely have to require a new proposal altogether since Encyclopedia's partial-unbanning was explicitly the lowest tier at the time and website filenames were deemed even below that (though I don't think it happens in practice). I'm a little more open to it now, but I'd still want Comet Tico to be marked as an exception since that's flat-out citogenesis. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:42, December 5, 2023 (EST)

== Luigi's Mansion 2 guide ==

Hello, sorry if this is a weird question, but I was going to add a name ("Mummy Lnorma") to a page ([[Mummy]]) from a preview of [https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%AB%E3%82%A4%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B32-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A%E3%82%AD%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%89%E3%83%96%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF-%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%9F%E9%80%9A%E3%81%AE%E6%94%BB%E7%95%A5%E6%9C%AC-%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%83%9F%E9%80%9A%E7%B7%A8%E9%9B%86%E9%83%A8/dp/4047289361 this guide], and I thought I's ask if that guide's usable for that kind of thing. I found it mentioned [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/aggj/guidebook/index.html here], in case that helps. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 10:47, January 2, 2024 (EST)
:No, that's a fair question. I think it's ''probably'' safe to assume that this Enterbrain guide is licensed if it's directly mentioned on Nintendo's webpage. However, [[MarioWiki:Naming#English and non-English sources|per here]], the Shogakukan guide does take precedence. Shogakukan no longer seems to be making official guides as of late, though - it seems that Kadokawa took over that duty. I'm unfamiliar with these guides and their credits, but Mister Wu might know more. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:20, January 2, 2024 (EST)
::Alright, thank you! [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 11:39, January 3, 2024 (EST)

==RE:On "half translated" names==
This is really stupid... What is the point of having such a rule when every article can now have a names section for foreign languages? Regardless of the origin of these words, the names and titles are still in Japanese. I think it would be more faithful and accurate to keep the romanization of these Japanese names intact. --[[User:Conradd|Conradd]] ([[User talk:Conradd|talk]]) 15:54, January 3, 2024 (EST)

== [[Running of the Bulb]] Big Boo ==

Do you know if ''Mario Party'' (the original) has any Japanese guides? I'm trying to figure out what the giant creepy Boo there is called, and [https://youtu.be/9juh3ubHQPk the in-game instructions] don't mention it. I found ガスボステレサ ("Gas Boss Teresa") on [https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B5%28%E3%83%9E%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%29 pixiv encyclopedia], but of course that's not an official source. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:07, January 7, 2024 (EST)
:Not so well-versed with ''Mario Party'', but offhand there's always the case of the [[Piranha's Pursuit|Jurassic Packun]], which SSBU ended up calling "Packun" in the Japanese script and excising everywhere else. I suppose also whether the eating Cheep Cheeps are referred to as such or as Big Cheep Cheeps (or even Cheep Chomps). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:54, January 8, 2024 (EST)
:The Tug-o-War gigantic Piranha and the Mushroom Bankers as well. And if the piratical Shy Guy from Shy Guy Says has a specific name. And for that matter, if the Pedal Power Boo is meant to be anything but a normal Boo, it is ''kinda'' large-ish. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:12, January 8, 2024 (EST)
::I'll ask Wu. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:49, January 25, 2024 (EST)
::Excelente! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:53, April 23, 2024 (EDT)

== NSMB file names ==

I remember a while back you finding the file names for Snailicorn and Spike Bass and finding connections to prior enemies in them. Do you know if there's any such interesting feature for Broozer's file name? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:03, January 17, 2024 (EST)

== Wonder Hoppin ≠ Wonder Hoppycat ==

Hello. Looking at some of your recent edits, I think you are confusing two different enemies from SMBW:

[[File:Red Hoppycat model SMBW.png|100px]][[File:WonderEffectHoppycat.jpg|100px]]

*The "Wonder Hoppin" (official Japanese name, left image), a.k.a the Expert, which is an orange Hoppycat that can jump very high. When defeated, it drops a Wonder Flower which turns the player into a Hoppycat.
*"Wonder Hoppycats" (conjectural name, right image) are giant Hoppycats that appear during a Wonder Effect. The Nintendo DREAM SMBW guidebook states that this enemy does not have an official name, and nicknames it "Kyodai na Hoppin" (Giant Hoppycat).

I know that this is very confusing because they basically have the same name, but they are two distinct enemies. Admittedly, we need to find a way to clear up the confusion. {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 10:35, January 26, 2024 (EST)

==Gnawty==

Do you think that for the Gnawty's section in Donkey Kong 64, we should change it to say only the manual calls them by that name while everything else generically calls them Beavers? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:16, February 5, 2024 (EST)

== Belome's clones ==

Hi! So a few days ago I spilt the clones from [[Belome]]'s second fight in the Temple into their own separate pages, and I was wondering if I could ask for your help in adding more info about them? [[User:Annalisa10|Annalisa10]] ([[User talk:Annalisa10|talk]]) 09:49, February 7, 2024 (EST)

== TCRF-related. ==

Hey, so I asked {{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} a question, and I was told to ask you, so that's what I'm doing. What if something unused in a game gets re-used in a hack/mod of said game? Should that be mentioned, or not? {{User|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)}} 11:24, February 21, 2024 (CST)

== Mario Megasite ==

Hey so I've been strongly looking into the lost Nintendo Europe Mario Megasite recently, and I found your 2013 post in Princess Peach's talk page mentioning an archive that you were able to access then. It has since been excluded from the Wayback Machine, so everything from it is lost now. I was just wondering if you by any chance saved any screenshots of it or preserved it in any fashion, because I'm very interested in it and I'm sure it has plenty of stuff that the wiki would benefit from having. --{{User:Fawfulthegreat64/sig}} 22:57, February 22, 2024 (EST)
:Actually, it's not just the one webpage that has bean excluded; the Wayback Machine blocks any attempt at archiving web pages with the "nintendo.co.uk" (or any Nintendo of Europe) domain. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 04:46, February 23, 2024 (EST)
:Yeah, it's unfortunate. I brought it up from memory [[Talk:Mario/Archive 2#Favorite Food Tidbit|here]] and [[User talk:Mister Wu/Archive 1#Boom-Boom|here]], but it was before I realized archiving needed to be taken more seriously. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:40, March 19, 2024 (EDT)

== The ''Dream Team'' Magikoopa team ==

I'm curious as to the Japanese counterpart to the line that the Swallow brought up [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Magikoopa&diff=4152695&oldid=4152693 here] with the Magikoopa team during the giant Bowser battle, as the speaker is implied to be the Kamek that has been fought multiple times not long before then - during which he created copies of himself. Does the wording indicate they are standard henchmen, or split selves, or a nonspecific term that could be understood as either (as is the case with [[Koopa Kid]] in Japanese)? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:38, March 8, 2024 (EST)

== Internal localized names for Downpour Cloud ==

Hello! According to [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_Bros._Wonder&diff=4112692&oldid=4111466 one of your edits], the [[Downpour Cloud]] is localized as such in the internal files. I wanted to know if it had internal localized names in other languages (i.e., besides Japanese and English). {{User:Jdtendo/sig}} 07:57, March 11, 2024 (EDT)

== DK Jr. Coleco Adam manual ==

I've added a link to it on the talk page of drop. Here's a [https://smallpdf.com/result#r=2771493724443740552c6f521ac3a29a&t=share-document direct link].--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 05:14, March 13, 2024 (EDT)
:Here's a link to the [https://smallpdf.com/result#r=afb9c6dc54f5e2be5962928c354198a6&t=share-document original DK's Adam manual] in case you're interested too. The Adam manuals were the hardest to find.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 05:20, March 13, 2024 (EDT)

== Missed me move==

Hello so I was wondering if I could ask you to add the rest of the Other Language names for the [[Missed me!]] move from Super Mario RPG if possible?
:Yes, I'll do that sometime soon. I should be able to make sure all or most the ''Super Mario RPG'' remake names are accounted for. I think it's very interesting because you see that each language seems to look at Japanese and English versions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:40, March 19, 2024 (EDT)

== Zelda II artwork JACKPOT ==

So Mysterii showed in the Triforce Wiki discord server an old Japanese guidebook magazine that has ''tons'' of artwork missing from A&A's coverage of TAoL - recolors, Great Palace enemies (but not bosses, unfortunately), and lots of misc. actions for Link that aren't even in the FDS manual. And it's clearly by the same artist. This also shows the yellow Daira artwork predates the western release, and the Carock art was originally red like the sprite. (And in my luck, the last page is an ad for ''Golf: Japan Course'' - ie the game I'm currently ripping from). Anyways, [https://archive.org/details/zines_zelda_famimaga_1987_aol_guide_600dpi/mode/2up here]'s a link. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:51, March 22, 2024 (EDT)
:Oh dang, that's really cool! Tokuma Shoten also made pre-Shogakukan and pre-Nintendo Power guides, so they seem pretty reliable as a source at that time. I also like the magazine's defense/parry art. The illustrations seem to confirm that Reflex is intentional. I'll also take it as confirmation on what happens when the curtain closes (someone tell [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkhSG4HL8nc&t=191s Boundary Break]). Still doesn't seem to have info on that "Sage" though, despite giving him a text bubble. I know this is paltry in comparison, but the other day, I happened upon an alternate name for the Magic Jar [https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1988-2004/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20007%20%28July-August%201989%29/page/n59/mode/2up here]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:37, March 23, 2024 (EDT)

== Software Toolworks games ==

You don't have to do it all by yourself. Just saying. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:26, March 29, 2024 (EDT)

== archive ==

The reason I replaced with a newer archive is because if you look in the references section of the [[Koopa Shell]] article, it displays an "error: invalid time", which is odd since it doesn't do it for all timestamps. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 14:12, March 31, 2024 (EDT)

== Toads and Mushrooms ==

To be fair, there's been a wrench as far back as ''Super Show'', considering [[George Washingtoad]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:40, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
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	To be fair, there's been a wrench as far back as ''Super Show'', considering [[George Washingtoad]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick\|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick\|talk]]) 13:40, April 20, 2024 (EDT)		To be fair, there's been a wrench as far back as ''Super Show'', considering [[George Washingtoad]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick\|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick\|talk]]) 13:40, April 20, 2024 (EDT)
	:I always took that as like [[Toadofsky]] - probably also intended as a play on toadstool rather than Toad - but "Toad as species" [https://archive.org/details/super-mario-all-stars-nintendo-players-guide/page/64/mode/2up are] [https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1988-2004/Nintendo%20Power%20Issue%20056%20%28January%201994%29/page/n57/mode/2up in] [https://archive.org/details/Nintendo_Players_Guide_SNES_Super_Mario_RPG_1996/page/n21/mode/2up some] [https://archive.org/details/Nintendo_Players_Guide_SNES_Super_Mario_RPG_1996/page/n97/mode/2up early] [https://archive.org/details/nms47/page/n93/mode/2up sources], plus the German translation in ''Super Mario RPG'' remake does have instances of Toad as species. ''Paper Mario'' still marked a definitive point where Mushroom People was phased out, but the switch to Toad wasn't as sudden as I thought, so I've decided that it would be more confusing than not to be stubborn about conjectural naming here. [[User:LinkTheLefty\|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty\|talk]]) 15:15, April 22, 2024 (EDT)