Editing Talk:Super Mario Sunshine

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==Fruit==
If you throw fruit at an enemy, don't they die? I haven 't played in a while, so I don't remember. {{User:Max2/sig}}

Nope. The fruit just bounces off. {{User:Phoenix Rider/sig}}

OK. I just couldn't remember.
{{unsigned|Max2}}

==Article Improvamabilitation==
There are two things we should do to improve this article:
:1. Find the final box art - the picture we have has a rating of "RP".
:2. Use that template that we did in ''Super Mario 64'''s article that explained what had to be done in each Episode.
:Sound good? [[User:Dodoman|Dunadunadunadunadunadunadunaduna DODOMAN!]]
::Pretty good!  The one problem is that the box art we have was the last electronically released by Nintendo!  But, with some fine tuning (read: Microsoft Paint) we can make it more accurately reflect the final box art.  Oh, and we should take out the command form from the glitches section as well.  {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:14, 14 August 2007 (EDT)
:::That sounds good too. The only thing I mean by "final" box art is one with the E rating from ESRB. I'll get that Episodes template and fix the Glitch paragraph... (but not necessarily immediately :P) --[[User:Dodoman|Dodorino]]
::::Dodoman!  The glitches section looks wonderful!  Thanks for doing it! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 19:26, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

== If Ya Don't Mind ==
I found a glitch in Gelato Beach, and just about to add it. [[User:Minimariolover10|Minimariolover10]]

== Notable Acts ==

Someone add a new quote for this and a Mario's Notable act section in this? IG Mario's notable act in the final stage is battling Bowser.([[User:Super F22 Pilot|Super F22 Pilot]] 04:13, 22 November 2007 (EST))

== Mini-Game Shines ==

I got all eight of the shines from every village, defeated Corona Mountain, got over 200 blue coins, both of the yellow birds, and a couple of mini-games, but I only came up with 119 shines.  Can anyone tell me what I might be missing?  If you have any ideas I'd appreciate it if you could leave them on my talk page. {{User:Glitchman/sig}}
:You're probably missing something in Delfino Plaza.  Done both of the crate guy mini-games?  Been thrown by that guy into the tower with the shine?  Cleaned the bells?  Gotten Yoshi over to that island with the lost dude (who is back on Delfino Plaza after the flood)? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:22, 10 January 2008 (EST)
[Yoshitheawesome] Maybe yur missing the speed nozzle raceway as i call it. it's in that weird door thing behind the guards.

==[[Noki Bay]]==
Have you ever noticed that it's a mystery why the uncorking of the waterfall actualy stops some of [[Eely Mouth]]'s (and partialy [[Gooper Blooper]]'s pollution)?[[User:Petey]]

It is because of the fresh flowing water.-- More news from Shadow Yoshi.
==Trivia==

Some of the trivia on this page isn't really needed, such as "This game has the same abbreviation as [[Super Mario Strikers]]" (As I don't think that Nintendo has ever actually called either of the games that) And the mentioning of the debut of Toadsworth and Bowser Jr. isn't really needed, is it? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:It's here as well? I already removed the info from Super Mario Strikers. About the debuts I'm not really sure, better wait for other people's opinions. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:16, 23 January 2008 (EST)

== ZOMG Trivia ==


I'm not gonna delete that new fact in teh Trivia section, that one about the game having a message about pollution...because it ''kind of'' has a point, but at the same time, I don't think it's necessary or Trivia-like or accurate.


Oh, and how does this game break the fourth wall exactly? Excuse me if I've missed something obvious...but I need to be reminded if I've forgotten.


{{User:Dom/sig}}

:After Bowser is defated, a Pianta in Delfino Plaza says: "The game is already finished ?!" (I'm not sure of the traduction, I have the French version.)
[[User:Koopalmier|KOOPALMIER, TEH BEST(or not)]]
::Yes, it is the same in the American Engish version... so since two versions do it, I bet the Japanese version did it as well.  (P.S. Do you mean translation?) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Sorry, I'm French, and I'm not very good with English language.
[[User:Koopalmier|KOOPALMIER, TEH BEST(or not)]]
::::You shouldn't be sorry - your English is great!  You're doing much, much better than I do with other languages (I actually assumed that you were a native English speaker who had moved to France or a French-speaking part of Canada), so no one's going to judge! (Especially because we need more European users!) {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 10:18, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Test level??? ==

Can someone PLEASE tell me if they have got to the test level because I dont believe it is real. HOW do you do an action replay and HOW do you get to the 'giant blob with shoes'? {{unsigned|Shadow Yoshi}}
:Sounds like forum talk. Please don't put this on article talk pages. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 06:58, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

What does that mean? I'm talking about this bit in the trivia, 'A Test Level is only accessible by use of an Action replay. This was a debugging level that the developers forgot to take out of the game. It is scattered in blocks with numbers, and there is also a giant blob-like creature with legs.'-- More news from Shadow Yoshi.

== Things to add ==

Could we mabey add some audio. My bro wants the music for when you verse Wiggler Ahoy and I want the one from the red coin level in noki bay.-- More news from Shadow Yoshi.

==We could do a lot of things...==
This is a featured, but we could still spruce it up.
{{User|Lolcats124}}
:And how? If you have any ideas, be bold and edit the article. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 07:57, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

== Okay, I want answers... ==

Someone was messing with this article's gallery and attempted to repostion pictures in the wrong sections (not to mention changing some sub-headers around -- group pictures are NOT screenshots). Can anyone who was responsible for this explain themselves, please? --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 02:49, 13 November 2009 (EST)

:I was only trying to fix the gallery because people were complaining about trivia and screenshots being in artwork...AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP! I LOVED this game and I don't want it to be unfeautured. People shouldn't just sit around saying "unfeauture this article blahdeblahdeblah".-_- --{{User:Gamefreak75/Sig}}

== Trivia ==

The thing about the talking.. can I have a video to it or something? It really bugs me for some reason
{{unsigned|TimTamChimchar}}

== Beta Elements ==
A picture on the beta element page shows Mario with a Green Yoshi in the Pianta Village right?
It showed the Fruit tank empty, meaning that the Yoshi was turning Green, the only thing wrong was that it was at the daytime.
AltoConcerto: Drifting Virtuoso. 22:27, November, 7, 2010

==Trivia==
Super Mario Sunshine isn't the only game to have extensice character voice acting. What about [[Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour]] when you taunt another player in multiplayer?

[[User:Tails777|Tails777]]

: Those are mainly one-liners; which don't really count. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 20:23, 28 December 2010 (EST)

::I'm pretty sure it still counts. It's still character voice acting no matter how long the lines are. {{User:Tails777/sig}}

== A few things ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3t5wxcTToI&feature=related
In this video of the Jap version the Nintendo logo is blue. I don't know about your game, but it's red in mine.
This video also seems to disprove that thing about Mario and Toadsworth talking to each other. That might just be my speakers though so in that case, sorry.--[[User:TimTamChimchar|TimTamChimchar]] 01:55, 29 January 2011 (EST)
Well, yes, but that's not part of the main series, so it doesn't really count. [[User:TheDisneyGamer|TheDisneyGamer]] ([[User talk:TheDisneyGamer|talk]]) 15:34, 21 October 2015 (EDT)

== False trivia ==

trivia says "It is the only 3D Mario game that does not have Goombas as enemies.", what about luigi's mansion? [[User:Luigi time!|I&#39;m my bro&#39;s bro.]]

== Those Raccoons ==

Is there any official name for the raccoon people you give the Blue Coins to? [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD.png‎‎|30px]] [[User:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F96300>Yoshi</span>]][[User talk:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F00>waker</span>]] [[File:PMCS Orange Yoshi.png|30px]] 10:14, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
:None AKAIK. [[Tanooki|our article]] on them use a conjectural name. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 10:17, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, I was just trying to find the article. Thanks! [[File:Red_Yoshi_TTYD.png‎‎|30px]] [[User:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F96300>Yoshi</span>]][[User talk:Yoshiwaker|<span style=color:#F00>waker</span>]] [[File:PMCS Orange Yoshi.png|30px]] 11:17, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

==MENTION==


Should I mention that this happened sometime after the events of Mario 64?{{User:KoopaMan/sig}}

== Yoshi? ==

What are the controls for Yoshi? - [[User:Red-CyanToad|Red-CyanToad]]

:That kind of talk is more appropriate for the [http://www.marioboards.com forums] than this article's talk page, unless the question is asked with the intent of improving the given article. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}

== Trivia ==

sonic's invincibility theme have the same music of [[Delfino Plaza]]. I think it's remixed.<br>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvZTzOiQes <br>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw3eDb2RhyQ <br>
and, dolphin in italian is delfino. i think it's not coincidence, because the island is dolphin-shaped.<br>
{{User:ShellMario/Sig}}

:Yeah, no, I'm more than sure it's coincidence. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 14:47, 25 January 2012 (EST)

== Test level: Action Replay Only? Really? ==

its gotta be possible to go to the test level without an AR. what about an emulator and whatnot? [[User:Pointy Stick Of Doom +99|Pointy Stick Of Doom +99]] ([[User talk:Pointy Stick Of Doom +99|talk]]) 22:31, 11 October 2012 (EDT)

== Animal Crossing ==
 
There is a reference to this in Animal Crossing: New Leaf. While talking to Gulliver, he mentions Ricco Harbor, although I do realise all the current references are from Mario games, so sorry if I misunderstood that.--[[Special:Contributions/96.44.90.196|96.44.90.196]] 20:12, 17 April 2014 (EDT)

== Sun sprite ==

I remember at one point there was a sprite of the sun on this page. It's not there anymore. What happened to it? Did using the image break a rule or something? And no, I do not mean an image of a [[Shine Sprite]]. I mean a sprite of the actual sun from this game. --[[User:J-Yoshi64|J-Yoshi64]] ([[User talk:J-Yoshi64|talk]]) 14:22, 4 July 2014 (EDT)

== Launch title ==

"It was the first main Mario series title not to be a launch title for its respective console." What about SMB3? [[Special:Contributions/71.226.144.42|71.226.144.42]] 17:07, 16 May 2015 (EDT)

== Should TCRF be credited for the regional differences somehow? ==

Seeing as they credit MarioWiki for things... --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 09:34, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:can you establish a reasonable case for the current section being based on TCRF's? I checked [https://tcrf.net/Super_Mario_Sunshine/Regional_Differences TCRF's Sunshine pages for regional differences] and the writing and formatting is different enough to pass off as original content. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 13:11, 19 December 2015 (EST)
::Oh, I meant the "discovery", not the actual text. --[[User:Hiccup|Hiccup]] ([[User talk:Hiccup|talk]]) 14:25, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Pre-rendered cutsence ==

Can you add that this is the only main Mario game so far to have pre-rendered cutsences?{{unsigned|69.127.38.51}}
:The cutscenes are not pre-rendered though, they're live rendered. Unless you count possibly the little TV screen with the Piantas advertising as possible, but that's not really a cutscene. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 16:21, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
How'd you know they're live rendered?{{unsigned|69.127.38.51}}
:The best way to tell is to play through an emulator and notice how the screenshot gets affected if you try adjusting the resolution. If you increase the resolution higher than intended aspect display, the models remain crisp if it's live-rendered. If it's pre-rendered, the screenshot would look bloated as if you took an image and resized it. After all, pre-rendered scenes are just a bunch of moving images (like in a movie) while live-rendering loads models, textures, animations, and so on. Do you understand the differences? Additionally, Dolphin Emulator provides a free-look (a hack that allows you to adjust the camera and explore the 3D environment), and it wouldn't be possible to view a scene with free-look if it's prerendered, because it's technically only a 2d image in-game. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:41, 4 August 2018 (EDT)
Wow! Saying they're pre-rendered cutsences is just a popular belief. But, why do many people believe they're pre-rendered cutsences?
{{unsigned|69.127.38.51}}

I think it's because this game doesn't run at 60 frames.
{{unsigned|‎47.16.185.66}}
:Now I'm wondering how the cutscenes were replaced with random FMVs in the Games Repainted hack of it, if the originals were live rendered scene setups and not videos themselves.... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:25, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
::If they could replace the cutscenes with FMV then that makes it prerenderd (unless it's a video edit). Unless the cutscenes run at 60 fps and the game never runs smoother than 30 fps, then frame rate is irrelevant. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 01:19, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

== A message about characters and enemies ==

The enemies are technically characters, so enemies should be a subsection of characters.{{unsigned|174.66.205.68}}
:I disagree, it's better if enemies are completely seperated from playable characters and NPCs. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}

== Promotional Preview CD ==

Check out this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ICuET4QLQ and add it accordingly because I don't know how. Also, I have a list of most of the mario games with physical demo versions and I have a list of the gamecube demo discs with mario on them. Do you want them? [[User:Bobster|Bobster]] ([[User talk:Bobster|talk]]) 08:23, March 28, 2021 (EDT)Bobster

== Revisiting Delfino Airstrip ==

In the Courses section it says the following:

"Delfino Airstrip is the setting of the game's prologue and is available to visit via ferry after completing the "Father and Son Shine!" episode."

This is false, completing the "Father and Son Shine!" episode is not actually required to unlock the ferry to the Airstrip. All you have to do is enter and exit Corona Mountain, if you exit the level (and presumably also if you get a Game Over and get sent back to Delfino Plaza, but I haven't tested that) Delfino Plaza is no longer flooded and the ferry appears. Could someone please correct this? The page is locked and I don't have permission to edit it. [[User:Bolt Strike|Bolt Strike]]

== Very minor change request ==

In the section where it talks about the 100% ending screen (at the very end of "Story" section), it says that the postcard depicts the characters in Hotel Delfino. While this is technically true, the photo actually appears to be taken in Casino Delfino. I think the article should be changed to specify that the photo was taken in Casino Delfino, rather than Hotel Delfino. Unfortunately, I do not have the permissions to edit this article for whatever reason, so anyone who does have these permissions shall change the article. - Some random guy who doesn't have an account [[Special:Contributions/97.112.18.223|97.112.18.223]]

:Made the change. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 12:03, April 9, 2023 (EDT)

== A bit much?? ==

This page is '''gigantic''', and I think there's one major reason for this: Why is the "Obstacles" and "Objects" section so massively bloated? Do we really need entries for such small inconsequential things like "Hot Water", "Closet", "Fruit Tree", "Jar"???, "Window"???, "Blue and yellow blocks", "Boat", "Flipping Platforms", "Float", "Green Block", "Multicolored Block", "Orange Block", "Red Triangle", "Spinning Block", "Spinning Gear", "Star" (The wooden platform), "Vanishing Block", "Yellow Peg", "Hook", "Portrait", or "Spray Point"? Each, of course, with a large image that bloats the page. There's probably even more than those I listed that could go. We're not trying to list and document every single unique polygonal element in the game here, are we? It's a bit excessive, don't you think? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 21:48, January 21, 2024 (EST)
:Yes, we are, and no, it's not. Everything that counts as a distinct interactive object distinct from the stage geometry (and some that are part of it) deserve to be covered. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:09, January 21, 2024 (EST)
::@Shadow2 I agree with Doc - if something has a discrete gameplay function, than it should be included here (especially - but not exclusively - if they are acknowledged in the "items & objects" section of the Shogakukan Mario encyclopedia, of which many of these allegedly superfluous objects are). I also don't think this article is particularly big. By contrast, ''Super Mario Sunshine'' (149,542 bytes) is only about half the size of the ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' (310,969 bytes) article. I would even say more can be contributed to the Sunshine article in the future (not in listing individual objects - that seems pretty thorough. More so in discussing the nature of the game itself, similar to SMG). - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:54, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we should document every single thing a thing does, but at least we should have sections for more concretely named things like [[Manhole]] or [[Wall painting]]; even something like flower, nail, and balloon probably. But something like a window or pianta-shaped tree, though? Nah. I mean, don't tell me every railing post cap, every newel, every streetlamp or other hat-mountable objects you find in Odyssey needs its own section because Mario can throw a hat on it to get a coin. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:15, January 22, 2024 (EST)
::::Shared functions can share a section. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:::Honestly, Super Mario Galaxy's page suffers the same problem, in my opinion. Crushing Pillar, Electric Ball, "Rotating Green Platform". Maybe there should be some policy in place to determine where to draw the line, because at what point do you stop? I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I could scrounge through these games to find some sort of tiny "objects" in these games that have distinct features, but really don't need to be talked about. You mention a "discrete gameplay function". Well, what if something gives Mario a single coin when it's sprayed? Doesn't that count as a function. So, would we include every single solitary object, wall, and building that gives Mario a coin? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 21:09, February 1, 2024 (EST)
::::I do think there is a difference between something that is just part of the terrain (which I do not think should be included) and a discrete object (which I generally do think should be included), but it is not always clear where one should draw that line. Generally, at minimum, I personally try to include what is listed under the "Items & Objects" sections for the games in the [https://archive.org/details/30-th-anniversary-encyclopedia-super-mario-bros.-1985-2015 Shogakukan encyclopedia]. While not all encompassing, Nintendo was directly involved with the production of the text here, and it is best, most accessible primary literature that directly highlight what are true obstacles, items, and objects in most modern Mario games. (It also provides a place for English-speakers to engage with the same material, as the English-localization of the encyclopedia has many errors.) Anything beyond that is usually added by other users, and I do not always agree with those decisions. (Is it really necessary to have water tide and lava tide? It's just freezing water and lava that is moving. Similarly, there are entries in the Sunshine article that might be better understood as an element of the terrain.) However, I do not feel it is appropriate for me alone to tell other users what should or should not be included. Working on articles here is collaborative, and these are often edge-cases. Maybe a wider policy discussion would be helpful.

::::I will say that, if it is something that would be included in the article of a 2D game without pause, I don't see why it shouldn't be in the article for the 3D games. (e.g. the [[sand tide]] is included in the ''[[Super Mario World]]'' article. Why would we omit the crushing pillar from ''Super Mario Galaxy'' if it does the same thing?) - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 22:19, February 1, 2024 (EST)
:::::I have created a spreadsheet for objects as listed in the encyclopedia and a talk post about it [[Category talk:Objects#Directory for objects, items, and obstacles in the Super Mario Encyclopedia|here]]. I thought it would be helpful in contextualizing what counts as an object, what is general terrain, etc. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:25, February 16, 2024 (EST)