Editing Talk:Super Mario 3D World

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== Something missing ==

Where's the koopa shell in Supporting Items?{{unsigned|161.97.140.17}}
:It was in the standard Items segment, but it makes more sense for it to be in Supporting Items, doesn't it? I have moved it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:39, 21 February 2017 (EST)

I can't edit the article page for some reason?

== Spelling error ==

You spelt Touchstone as Thouchstone
It bugs me.
Fix it please {{unsigned|109.151.73.161}}
:Fixed. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 14:36, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

== disvantage is not a word ==

maybe try dis'''ad'''vantage? [[Special:Contributions/73.147.234.34|73.147.234.34]] 22:30, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

:You're right. I'll fix it. Thanks.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 22:32, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

== Special Worlds named after Mario Kart Nitro Cups? ==

I just found out that the names of each special world in this game (Mushroom, Flower, Star, Crown) correspond to the Mario Kart Nitro Cups. Should I add this to the trivia section, or is this just a coincidence? {{User:CenturyOfLuigi/sig}} 15:46, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
:Not necessarily the case. The usage of Mushroom, Flower, Star, and Crown isn't specific to the Mario Kart series (used in many other Mario Sports games as well). While it does originate from the Mario Kart series, using these items to symbolize ranks is a too common use for it to be specific to Mario Kart any more. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 15:54, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

== Decide what to do with the tables ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|1-0-3-8-1-0|Use long tables}}
This has been discussed on [[MarioWiki:Featured articles/Unfeature/N1/Super Mario 3D World]], but it seems that there isn't a good agreement on what should be done with the tables.

'''Enemies and Obstacles''': I think that the enemies and obstacles [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_3D_World&oldid=2368071#Enemies_and_obstacles should be written with galleries] instead of tables. This makes it much smaller and easier to read, and it works properly on mobile (although it may be long on phones). The problem with this though is that it removes the descriptions. In my opinion, the descriptions are not necessary for the enemies because a user who wants to learn more about the enemy can just go to the enemy's article. It seems pointless to have large amounts of info on this page when it is covered in each enemy's article, and people are probably looking to see at a glance what enemies are in the game, not scroll through a long list with detailed descriptions of each of them.

'''Items''': However, I do think it is a good idea to have very short (1-2 sentence) descriptions of the items, but is it worth keeping the bad table? Is there a better way to do it?

Per Alex95 below, we could also do standard long tables like the [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_3D_World&oldid=2216625 original ones]. These are mobile-compatible and provide the descriptions, but are extremely long.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Supermariofan67}}<br>
'''Deadline''': January 19, 2018 23:59 GMT

===Change Enemies/Obstacles to galleries===
#{{User|Supermariofan67}} Per proposal - this is my preferred option

===Change Items table to galleries===

===Change both to galleries===
#{{User|Alex95}} - This could work. This would be my preferred choice.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per Alex95.
#{{User|Astro-Lanceur}}Per Alex95.

===Long tables like the original ones===
#{{User|Alex95}} - View comment.
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} Per Alex95. ''This is my preferred choice.''
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Always was my preferred choice.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|YoshiFlutterJump}} Per all.
#{{User|Lcrossmk8}} This sounds like the best choice out of everything.
#{{User|BBQ Turtle}} I thought that's what it still had, per all.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Preferred choice, per all.

===Something else===
#{{User|Super Radio}} Split article. See my comment below.

===Do nothing===

===Comments===
One thing I suggested on the unfeature page was a standard table. Nothing complex like we have now, just a simple chart:
{| class="wikitable" text-align="center"
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!Enemy
!First Appearance
!Summary 
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|[[File:Goomba_Artwork_-_Super_Mario_3D_World.png|100px]]<br>[[Goomba]]
|[[Super Bell Hill]]
|A common enemy that charges at the player on sight. Can be defeated with any attack.
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(Can be adjusted cause I suck at table coding) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:47, 4 January 2018 (EST)
:This is very similar to what we [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Super_Mario_3D_World&oldid=2216625 used to have] on the article. This would normally be the best option for games without as many enemies, but it made this page extremely long, which is why it was changed to what we have now. When the page is extremely long and not very dense, it makes it very difficult for readers to find information quickly and see it easily. There is also enough inconsistency in the images that reducing the size would make many of them too small. I think it could be a good option for mobile, but it would make desktop viewing very bad. --{{User:Supermariofan67/sig}} 23:27, 4 January 2018 (EST)
::Yeah, length is the main issue with this type of charge, but it's better than being too wide. The page would be rather long so '''be sure to consider that, voters!''' {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:52, 5 January 2018 (EST)
How about we just move the enemy section into its own page, then make the table vertical. (Although TBH, the current tables are completely compatible with my phone, but this would solve problems for all.) [[MarioWiki:Article size]] clearly dictates that if an article is too long, it should be split. Besides, a standard for featured articles is to be well-detailed, which most certainly applies to subjects such as enemies. If we were to remove the descriptions completely, we should do so for [[Donkey Kong Country|many]] [[Yoshi's Island DS|other]] [[Donkey Kong 64|featured]] [[Super Mario Bros. 2|articles]] for consistency. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 17:25, 5 January 2018 (EST)
:I don't think the table would be long enough to necessitate that. The subpages would be tiny. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 17:30, 5 January 2018 (EST)
::Well, we're talking about a long table here. Turning the tables into a simple, vertical chart would help lenghten the page. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 17:33, 5 January 2018 (EST)

== Feature ==

Why is this article not featured yet? {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}}

Taken care of now, looks like. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 16:36, March 13, 2020 (EDT)

== The Level list ==

It doesn't look good because of the amount of empty space (IMO). Here's my take using W1 as an example:
{| class="wikitable" border="1" style="text-align:center; width:100%; margin-bottom:5px; border-collapse:collapse; font-family:Arial;" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1"
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!width="10%" style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 5px; background: gold;" | World
!width="90%" colspan="5" style="border: 1px solid black; padding: 5px; background: #fff3b2;" | Levels
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| rowspan="2" | [[World 1 (Super Mario 3D World)|World 1]] || 1-1 [[Super Bell Hill]]<br>[[File:SM3DW Super Bell Hill Map Icon.jpg|120px]] || 1-2 [[Koopa Troopa Cave]]<br>[[File:Koopa Troopa Cave Icon.jpg|120px]] || 1-A [[Chargin' Chuck Blockade]]<br>[[File:SM3DW Chargin' Chuck Blockade A Icon.jpg|120px]] || 1-3 [[Mount Beanpole]]<br>[[File:SM3DW Mount Beanpole Icon.png|120px]] || 1-4 [[Plessie's Plunging Falls]]<br>[[File:Plessie's Plugin Falls Icon.jpeg|120px]]
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|| 1-5 [[Switch Scramble Circus]]<br>[[File:Switch Scrable Circus Icon.jpeg|120px]] || 1-Castle [[Bowser's Highway Showdown]]<sub>10</sub><br>[[File:SM3DW Bowsers Highway Showdown icon.jpg|120px]] || 1-Captain Toad [[Captain Toad Goes Forth]]<br>[[File:SM3DW Captain Toad Goes Forth Icon.png|120px]] || colspan="2" |
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{{User:CustomArio/sig}} 04:29, January 24, 2021 (EST)

: Yeah, looking at this proposed table layout, I think this would be way better for the article itself; that said, I'll wait until some others put in their two cents about the matter. --M. C. - [[User:MeritC|Profile]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 16:05, January 24, 2021 (EST)
::There's no additional information other than the level numbering and the level name in the current table, so the proposed layout would work better in my opinion. I'd add a newline after the level numbering to separate it better, but other than that I agree with the proposed layout.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 17:43, January 24, 2021 (EST)

== Controls of the Nintendo Switch port ==

The Nintendo Switch port, [[Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury]], will get its first month since release the following week's Friday (March 12th). I'm asking: can we add the controls of the Switch port in this page or they need to be on the port's page? This should include both gameplay with 2 Joy-Cons/Pro Controller '''and''' gameplay with a single, horizontal Joy-Con.

--[[User:LEGOGames1000|LEGOGames1000]] ([[User talk:LEGOGames1000|talk]]) 10:29, March 5, 2021 (EST)LEGOGames1000
:That would belong on the Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury page. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 10:54, March 5, 2021 (EST)

== Possible addition to trivia? ==

I just noticed the letter colors in the logo correspond to the 4 main playable characters
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:Seems obvious enough to not be stated. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 06:31, January 5, 2023 (EST)
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 :It was in the standard Items segment, but it makes more sense for it to be in Supporting Items, doesn't it? I have moved it. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 13:39, 21 February 2017 (EST)
-I can't edit the article page for some reason?{{unsigned|CamBossDog}}
+I can't edit the article page for some reason?
-:Page is protected to autoconfirmed levels. It could probably be dropped at this point, so long as no one tries to put in false Switch port information.
-:...Actually, it should probably stay protected for that reason. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:02, June 13, 2020 (EDT)
 == Spelling error ==