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#{{User|Hewer}} After reading LinkTheLefty's comment, I can get behind the rename idea a bit better now, so I'll vote for this as my second choice. | #{{User|Hewer}} After reading LinkTheLefty's comment, I can get behind the rename idea a bit better now, so I'll vote for this as my second choice. | ||
#{{User|MegaBowser64}} Cool deal, all good in the neighborhood .(~ ̄▽ ̄)~ Per all, and I like how the name sounds. | #{{User|MegaBowser64}} Cool deal, all good in the neighborhood .(~ ̄▽ ̄)~ Per all, and I like how the name sounds. | ||
<s>#{{User|Pseudo}} Per proposal.</s> After seeing Koopa con Carne's vote, I'm inclined to agree that the "clan" terminology works better to refer to the Koopa Troop specifically, and that Koopas as a whole ought to remain as "Koopa (species)" because not all of them are affiliated with Bowser. | <s>#{{User|Pseudo}} Per proposal.</s> After seeing Koopa con Carne's vote, I'm inclined to agree that the "clan" terminology works better to refer to the Koopa Troop specifically, and that Koopas as a whole ought to remain as "Koopa (species)" because not all of them are affiliated with Bowser. | ||
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#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} See [[Talk:Koopa Troop#Turtle Tribe in relation to Koopa Troop|old discussions]] on the matter: the Koopa clan / Turtle Tribe is officially a separate entity from the Koopa Troop (Bowser's army), and the closest analog to the clan is the "species" article; splitting off the members who are not part of the Koopa Troop would be like splitting hostile and friendly Goombas, or Boos and Shy Guys by faction. | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} See [[Talk:Koopa Troop#Turtle Tribe in relation to Koopa Troop|old discussions]] on the matter: the Koopa clan / Turtle Tribe is officially a separate entity from the Koopa Troop (Bowser's army), and the closest analog to the clan is the "species" article; splitting off the members who are not part of the Koopa Troop would be like splitting hostile and friendly Goombas, or Boos and Shy Guys by faction. | ||
#{{User|SmokedChili}} I can get behind the rename, but the evidence for splitting Bowser and those related to him is shaky. There's nothing definitive about クッパ7人衆 meaning the Koopalings being of the "Kuppa" race, and like with クッパ軍団 / Koopa Troop it's supposed to be a link to the character 魔王クッパ, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGmkVm6JL0A&t=5m46s and these terms may have クッパ dropped out]. As for the 1994 Daijiten, Daizukan etc., not only is their data on 王族 Ouzoku (which should be called "Royalty") both outdated and imcompaticle due to the Koopalings retcon and Bowser Jr.'s presence himself, but that name is never seen in the games or manuals, implying whoever wrote these books invented it themselves like they did [[Bull's-Eye Bill#Names in other languages|往復キラー for Missile Bill]]. | #{{User|SmokedChili}} I can get behind the rename, but the evidence for splitting Bowser and those related to him is shaky. There's nothing definitive about クッパ7人衆 meaning the Koopalings being of the "Kuppa" race, and like with クッパ軍団 / Koopa Troop it's supposed to be a link to the character 魔王クッパ, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGmkVm6JL0A&t=5m46s and these terms may have クッパ dropped out]. As for the 1994 Daijiten, Daizukan etc., not only is their data on 王族 Ouzoku (which should be called "Royalty") both outdated and imcompaticle due to the Koopalings retcon and Bowser Jr.'s presence himself, but that name is never seen in the games or manuals, implying whoever wrote these books invented it themselves like they did [[Bull's-Eye Bill#Names in other languages|往復キラー for Missile Bill]]. | ||
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:This may be a stupid question, but is there an example of the "Koopa clan" name being unambiguously used to refer to the turtle tribe? For example, by replacing the Kame-zoku name in translation. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:57, August 7, 2023 (EDT) | :This may be a stupid question, but is there an example of the "Koopa clan" name being unambiguously used to refer to the turtle tribe? For example, by replacing the Kame-zoku name in translation. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 16:57, August 7, 2023 (EDT) | ||
::You can see it right from the same game, for example, as it shows up in at least Lakitu's tattle in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Dhp6uod5I&t=451s Japanese] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqYAfXoeWw&t=47s English] versions, and those enemies are unaffiliated with Bowser there. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:07, August 12, 2023 (EDT) | ::You can see it right from the same game, for example, as it shows up in at least Lakitu's tattle in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Dhp6uod5I&t=451s Japanese] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqYAfXoeWw&t=47s English] versions, and those enemies are unaffiliated with Bowser there. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:07, August 12, 2023 (EDT) | ||
==Split== | ==Split== |