Editing Talk:Chuckya

== Mario Chucker? ==

I had a really really old guide for Mario 64, and in the enemies section the Chuckya was called the Mario Chucker. I was wondering if this could be included in the article.

Thanks, [[User:Quate|Quate]] 21:46, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

:It probably could be (and "Mario Chucker" could certainly redirected to this article), but what company made this guide? Guides made by companies aside from Nintendo itself are not considered official. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}

:: Brady games, I believe. It's title was the 'Unofficial Super Mario 64 GuideBook' with big yellow mario eyes on it. I suppose you're right, it is unofficial. [[User:Quate|Quate]] 21:51, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

:::OK. No offense, but that sounds a little too unofficial to be mentioned in the article to me, but you can still redirect Mario Chucker to here. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}

This guy is in the Super Mario 64 and DS template as a boss. He's definitely not. Is he? I think we should put him in another section of this template. ---[[User:Pseudo-dino|SuperGoom to the Rescue!]]

== WUT DU--!!!! ==



HEY!!!1 O'Chunks's throw attack IS simalar to Chuckya's! PUT IT BACK!!!!!!!{{User:KoopaMan/sig}}
:No they were not based of each other and unless you can find a source that says they were it will not go in there {{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
::But listen: O'Chunks throws Mario aroun sometimes in the same way Mario swung Bowser in 64. SO DOES CHUCKYA!!!!!!!{{User:KoopaMan/sig}}
:::Wait, what? {{User:Mariomario64/Sig}} 09:21, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
::::The only reason they are similar is because they are throw attacks. Even though it is, to an extent, true, it is '''not''' notable enough to put in the article. [[User:ThirdMarioBro|ThirdMarioBro:]] [[User talk:ThirdMarioBro|<span style="color:red">Mario,</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/ThirdMarioBro|<span style="color:green">Luigi,</span>]] <span style="color:blue">and me!</span> 09:27, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::U said it TMB! The only difference is: In the case of O'Chunks, the player will bounce around as if it were a game of Pong. {{User:KoopaMan/sig}}

== Bob-omb ==

Since when is Chuckya a Bob-omb? [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 05:56, 27 March 2017 (EDT)
:Chuckya's Japanese name is "Horuhei", which is a portmanteau of "hōru" (throw) and "Bomuhei" (Bob-omb). It's appearance, attack, and method of defeat are also similar to [[King Bob-omb]]'s. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:03, 27 March 2017 (EDT)
::Ah. [[User:Shadow2|Shadow2]] ([[User talk:Shadow2|talk]]) 21:13, 27 March 2017 (EDT)

== New Name ==
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I put a move template on this page because Chuck-Ya is the new name, after all. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 11:27, September 24, 2023 (EDT)
:Are you sure about the move? Mario Portal uses the original "Chuckya". Is "Chuck-Ya" used outside that "Nintendo DS Pocket Guide"? [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 14:37, December 26, 2023 (EST)
:: No, but it was the new name, and I'm pretty certain that "Chuckya" is directly taken from Nintendo's strategy guide. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:54, December 27, 2023 (EST)
:::FYI, the Player's Guide is a higher-priority source, and in addition to being the more common version, it should be the title. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:23, December 27, 2023 (EST)
::::The DS Pocket Guide was a Prima guide released in 2010 and therefore would be the [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|same level of officiality]] as the Player's Guide. But I still agree "Chuckya" should be the name especially with it being used in the Mario Portal. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 20:48, December 27, 2023 (EST)
:::::Come to think of it, that also makes it kind of weird that to use the DS Pocket Guide as an "at the time" source, considering it came out years after ''Super Mario 64 DS''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:39, December 31, 2023 (EST)

== Move back to Chuck-Ya ==

{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|2-10|Do not move}}
I accidentally moved the page "Chuckya" to "Chuck-Ya" without making a proposal before moving. Sorry about that. Anyways, the DS Pocket Guide for ''Super Mario 64 DS'' came out after the game itself, which came out after ''Super Mario 64 DS''. As such, Chuckyas have been renamed Chuck-Yas, so I was wondering if there's a possibility to move the page "Chuckya" back to "Chuck-Ya".

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}}<br>
'''Deadline''': March 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} I was the one who posted the move template in the first place.

===Oppose===
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Chuckya without a hyphen is the name used on the Mario Portal, which is even more recent. Pretty self-explanatory why we'd oppose... ;P
#{{User|Hewer}} Per Camwood, this isn't the most recent name.
#{{User|Biggestman}} Per all.
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|Arend}} Per all.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all.
#{{User|Hooded Pitohui}} Per all. Additionally, preponderance of the evidence suggests to me that there's no case of citogenesis here. This matches a spelling used before the wiki even existed, after all.
#{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per Camwoodstock and Hewer.
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.

===Comments===
I think that even though Chuckya is the most "recent" name, Chuckya more than likely came from us in the first place. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:55, February 23, 2024 (EST)
:Taking the Mario Portal as being a case of citogenesis would be, uh, to put it lightly, '''a very huge stance to hold'''. Especially seeing as they call [[Banzai Bill]] "Bomber Bill" on there, which is a name that very much did not come from us. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 10:15, February 23, 2024 (EST)
::Uh, no? The name comes from the original Super Mario 64 Player's Guide, not us. I'm already strongly opposed to the idea that Nintendo making official usage of a fan name is bad. Let's not go down the rabbit hole of assuming that Nintendo reusing their ''own'' names can come from us. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:22, February 23, 2024 (EST)
:::I find it really odd to assume that the name "Chuckya" came from us, anyway. That would imply that the name is conjectural, which would be really strange given that the Chuckya article has the Super Mario 64 Player's Guide attached as the source of the name ''for years''. [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Chuckya&diff=1833743&oldid=1832644 Nearly a decade], in fact. ''And the Player's Guide came out in 1996''. [https://archive.org/details/SuperMario64OfficialPlayersGuide/page/n11/mode/2up It's also preserved on Archive.org as well], in case you want to check out the name yourself. {{User:Arend/sig}} 11:55, February 23, 2024 (EST)
::::"Came from us" is doing a lot of leg work here anyways. I don't think Nintendo did this for the EAD-developed ''Mario'' games (at least), but for the sake of argument, let's say the Mario Portal staff did use Super Mario Wiki to relocate the name "Chuckya" because they just did not keep good internal records. So what? We did not invent that name, we cited it from primary sources. That's one of the benefits have having wikis like this, and the users on Mario Wiki have done an excellent and rigorous job at tracking those names down. It puts professional taxonomists and Dark Horse-staff to shame, in my opinion at least. (Look at the discussion being held here over a ''hyphen''. Incredible.) That's not a Brazilian aardvark. That's consulting a well-cited, secondary source. And if Super Mario Wiki cannot be used for such purposes, then what's the point of us citing anything at all? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 12:09, February 23, 2024 (EST)

Not to mention the guide "Chuck-Ya" came from was a more generalized Nintendo DS game guide than a specific one, so it makes sense that there's less focus there (also note how they managed to spell "Snifit" as "Sniffit"). [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:49, February 23, 2024 (EST)