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Why are these MK-related items (Red Homing Shell, Green Shell, Blue Shell) under a section of Koopa Troopa? Those are items that should have their own pages. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 15:25, 31 August 2006 (EDT) | Why are these MK-related items (Red Homing Shell, Green Shell, Blue Shell) under a section of Koopa Troopa? Those are items that should have their own pages. <span style="font-family:Kunstler Script; color:#006633;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Wayoshi|W]]'''ayoshi</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Wayoshi|T]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Wayoshi|C]]<tt>·</tt>[[Special:Emailuser/Wayoshi|@]] )</small> 15:25, 31 August 2006 (EDT) | ||
:Long ago, in the early days of this Wiki, some users decided that it would be better to place info of items related to species in the articles. Those days should end now. I think we should seperate the items from the species page. They are related, but both are distinct enough to have their own pages. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | :Long ago, in the early days of this Wiki, some users decided that it would be better to place info of items related to species in the articles. Those days should end now. I think we should seperate the items from the species page. They are related, but both are distinct enough to have their own pages. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]] | ||
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== SMW Koopa Troopa speed == | == SMW Koopa Troopa speed == | ||
Since 2009, this page has asserted that blue and yellow koopas in ''Super Mario World'' are faster than red and green koopas respectively. However, ''[[Mario Mania]]'' page 102 declares the opposite. It claims they are slower than the reds and greens. These competing claims must be resolved. The [[Beach Koopa]] page also has a similar claim that must be checked. If found erroneous, the main SMW page will also have to be edited.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:24, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | Since 2009, this page has asserted that blue and yellow koopas in ''Super Mario World'' are faster than red and green koopas respectively. However, ''[[Mario Mania]]'' page 102 declares the opposite. It claims they are slower than the reds and greens. These competing claims must be resolved. The [[Beach Koopa]] page also has a similar claim that must be checked. If found erroneous, the main SMW page will also have to be edited.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 11:24, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:Is there a level in the game where we can see these multiple colored Koopas at the same time? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:39, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | :Is there a level in the game where we can see these multiple colored Koopas at the same time? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:39, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::One of the (secret?) levels in Donut Plains does IIRC. I also recall blue and yellow indeed being faster. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:23, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ::One of the (secret?) levels in Donut Plains does IIRC. I also recall blue and yellow indeed being faster. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:23, July 22, 2022 (EDT) | ||
:::Can you verify with a video of any sort if anyone got some time to spare? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:43, July 25, 2022 (EDT) | :::Can you verify with a video of any sort if anyone got some time to spare? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 23:43, July 25, 2022 (EDT) | ||
::::Here you go, video proof that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GOXEydMCxo Blue and Yellow Koopas are faster]. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 17:11, September 10, 2023 (EDT) | |||
== Water creatures == | == Water creatures == | ||
I know these categories have been going under enemies who have been using these elements in some way, but in this case, this is going too far. Currently, Koopa Troopas have been grouped under "water creatures" for water forming around them in a tennis game, and looking at the Puzzle and Dragons section only the green Koopa Troopas use water element and red Koopa Troopas use fire element, and we are not using a fire creatures category for this article. Bowser uses poison-based attacks in RPG games which to my view holds a lot more credibility than tennis games. It will also be confusing for readers who see that Koopa Troopas are grouped under "water creatures" only because of an obscure tennis move. Therefore, I still strongly think the category should have no place here. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:22, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | I know these categories have been going under enemies who have been using these elements in some way, but in this case, this is going too far. Currently, Koopa Troopas have been grouped under "water creatures" for water forming around them in a tennis game, and looking at the Puzzle and Dragons section only the green Koopa Troopas use water element and red Koopa Troopas use fire element, and we are not using a fire creatures category for this article. Bowser uses poison-based attacks in RPG games which to my view holds a lot more credibility than tennis games. It will also be confusing for readers who see that Koopa Troopas are grouped under "water creatures" only because of an obscure tennis move. Therefore, I still strongly think the category should have no place here. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 13:22, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | ||
:Bowser to me is just not viewed as a character of poison element, not from general perception of him to his character bios nowhere near his association with fire. Even in Bowser's case, those attacks are still relatively cryptic. The categories in [[:Category:Elemental creatures]], including the whole [[:Category:Fire creatures]] (such as me raising an eyebrow at Magikoopa being classified as a fire creature and not Mario divorced from his Fire form) and these other kind of elemental categories do need to be looked into more. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:04, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::Each of those categories are described as "Various species [...] '''that are composed of some sort of element''', or can produce or manipulate such an element." My solution to this would be to enforce the first half of the description for these categories, since those are much more universal aspects of those characters across most of their appearances. We should simply heavily discourage or outright remove the second half of that description. It is vague at best and invites subjective nitpicking as to what is enough to qualify for it, which is what resulted in this recent wave of edits and debates. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 16:29, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
:::I can agree to such a proposal. It'd deal with those irksome instances of subjects being in the elemental creatures categories because of one-off appearances--e.g. [[Boo]]s and [[Mini Goomba]]s in [[:Category:Electrical creatures]] and [[:Category:Poisonous creatures]] respectively because of ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]''. [[User:SolemnStormcloud|SolemnStormcloud]] ([[User talk:SolemnStormcloud|talk]]) 17:18, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||
::::I wanna point out that until a proposal from a few years back, habitat also qualified for it (ie, penguins were considered "ice creatures" by default). I think the current system is fine, but may need a bit more scrutiny. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:39, September 9, 2023 (EDT) | |||