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Okay, there's been some dispute over the "King Boo is a separate character from LM King Boo" addition as of late. Should it be kept? I'm personally against it, but if anyone sees a reason to keep, then I'm fine. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 21:13, October 24, 2019 (EDT) | Okay, there's been some dispute over the "King Boo is a separate character from LM King Boo" addition as of late. Should it be kept? I'm personally against it, but if anyone sees a reason to keep, then I'm fine. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 21:13, October 24, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:(I'm just gonna copy-paste my response on the IP talk page) | :(I'm just gonna copy-paste my response on the IP talk page) | ||
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::::Yeah, it's probably best to keep them the same, as been stated it's really no different than alternate forms like witch Rosalina. I just wish we could use the LM design for the main Artwork, especially since Tour seemingly gave him a "standardized" render for this design; ie, not one that's just promotional art for a Luigi's Mansion game. [[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]]([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]]) 24:18, October 25, 2019 (EDT) | ::::Yeah, it's probably best to keep them the same, as been stated it's really no different than alternate forms like witch Rosalina. I just wish we could use the LM design for the main Artwork, especially since Tour seemingly gave him a "standardized" render for this design; ie, not one that's just promotional art for a Luigi's Mansion game. [[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]]([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]]) 24:18, October 25, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::: Multiple games state the non-LM design is still the same King Boo from Luigi's Mansion. His design only changes to make him fit in better with the lighter-hearted Mario games. Also, it's possible that since his Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon crown enhances his abilities, that it also changes his appearance, as well. Same with his crown in the first and third Luigi's Mansion games. --[[User:PyroGothNerd|PyroGothNerd]] ([[User talk:PyroGothNerd|talk]]) 20:51, October 28, 2019 (EDT) | ::::: Multiple games state the non-LM design is still the same King Boo from Luigi's Mansion. His design only changes to make him fit in better with the lighter-hearted Mario games. Also, it's possible that since his Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon crown enhances his abilities, that it also changes his appearance, as well. Same with his crown in the first and third Luigi's Mansion games. --[[User:PyroGothNerd|PyroGothNerd]] ([[User talk:PyroGothNerd|talk]]) 20:51, October 28, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Keep in mind everybody though that smash has gotten things wrong such as claiming that Kaptain K Rool is King K Rool’s brother so I would say it’s still a possibility that they are re not the same character {{User|35.136.185.103}} | |||
==The infobox should use Luigi's Mansion artwork== | ==The infobox should use Luigi's Mansion artwork== | ||
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:Seconded. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 08:49, November 3, 2019 (EST) | :Seconded. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 08:49, November 3, 2019 (EST) | ||
I think it would look much cooler too [[User:Mario Sakuraba|Mario Sakuraba]] ([[User talk:Mario Sakuraba|talk]]) 10:56, November 3, 2019 (EST) | |||
:The standard for infobox artwork is to use the character's most frequent appearance. It does not matter what the debut appearance is, whichever is the most detailed. If for some reason someone argued to use Daisy's N64 design because her dress had a cool petal design and her lack of crown made her stand out from Peach? No, we use the most standard appearance. If his ''Luigi's Mansion'' design becomes the new standard in future games, then it could change. But that is the standard on the Wiki. Same reason we try to avoid using "sports outfits" for characters, or, say, Rosalina's added star detailing from ''Super Smash Bros.'' They may be more interesting, but they aren't the standard appearance of that character. Now, whether there is a platform elsewhere for you to take this up with the policy-makers on the Wiki or not, I'm not sure. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 15:25, November 3, 2019 (EST) | |||
::Daisy's N64 design hasn't been used in 20 years. King Boo's later LM design was used 3 days ago. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:26, November 3, 2019 (EST) | |||
:::Well, it's also the same reason we don't use Rosalina's render from ''Smash Bros.'' The design there is not as representative as her standard design. Or, as another example, Archivist Toadette's design instead of Toadette's standard design. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 18:03, November 3, 2019 (EST) | |||
I disagree, the most standard character design should always be used as it is the best representation of that character. While the Luigi's Mansion series is King Boo's debut and indisputably his largest role in the Mario franchise, the design used in those games is nowhere near the standard representation of King Boo. The Luigi's Mansion design of King Boo has only physically appeared in 5 games, while at the time of writing this, his "generic" design is used for physical appearances in 20 games. To add to this, one of the games where King Boo's Luigi's Mansion design appears is Mario Kart Tour, where not only does it co-exist with his "generic" design, but is also specifically referred to as a variant design. As for considering the "generic" design "spin-off material", keep in mind that he appeared with this design in Super Mario 64 DS, and the platformers are generally considered the main series when it comes to the Mario franchise. If, going forward, King Boo dropped his "generic" design and started using his Luigi's Mansion design in other games, it would be a different situation, but that's not the case. | |||
tl;dr Although King Boo's largest role in the franchise is definitely within the Luigi's Mansion games, he does not appear using that character design nearly often enough for it to be used as a representation of the character as a whole. | |||
--{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:42, November 3, 2019 (EST) | |||
== Split == | |||
Can we split the pages into: | |||
[[King Boo (Mario series)]]<br> | |||
[[King Boo (Luigi's Mansion series)]]<br> | |||
[[King Boo (Super Mario 64 DS)]] | |||
That sounds more appropriate. Thanks. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 11:08, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:That's likely not going to happen due to the points established in the heavy amount of prior discussion on this matter—among them the fact that King Boo in LM is not necessarily a wholly different character from King Boo in the main series and spinoffs, making "appropriateness" a questionable criteria. You can read this talk page and the [[Big Boo]] [[Talk:Big Boo|talk page]] (along with the [[Talk:King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|other King Boo article's talk page]]) and see for yourself. This sort of thing isn't done without a proposal, which ideally shouldn't go forward without thorough discussion first regardless. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:20, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::Lord G, while they may be the same character, they may be different universe-like. Also, this was only for admins. Stay out of this please. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 11:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::You can't demand someone "stay out" of something. Around here, "admin" means "can block people and delete pages." The only "continuity" this franchise has is when it ''wants'' to, so splitting entities for wholly arbitrary reasons is not the way to go. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:35, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::Was going to say something similar but Doc beat me to it. Things like this have always been community decisions, not admin decisions. Anyway, there's nothing suggesting that these are different iterations of King Boo and they shouldn't have separate articles. I kind of get (but don't support) the rationale behind splitting King Boo in the Luigi's Mansion series, but I'm honestly stumped on why you think King Boo in 64 DS is a separate character altogether. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 11:38, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::And exactly '''''why''''' shouldn't I, or any other editor, have a say in this, especially considering you literally need a proposal to establish consensus for this kind of change and admins aren't just going to force something through without discussing it anyway? By posting on this talk page, you open it to discussion and thus possible dissent, because that's how consensus on a wiki works. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 11:37, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Admin note: Everyone has a say in this. You can't tell people to stay out of something, and you also gave no implication that this was meant for a particular people. | |||
:::Also admin note: No, I don't think this split is a good idea, for reasons above. It's not like [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|''Super Mario Sunshine''{{'}}s King Boo]], which is a different character. All three of these examples are the same character with no form between them. There ''may'' be a case for ''Luigi's Mansion''{{'}}s King Boo, but it'd be a shaky one, so I don't know. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:50, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::But isn't SM64DS' King Boo different? [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 12:12, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::That was a case of a misnomer in the English versions, as indicated by the discussion I tried to point you towards - also the article itself. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 12:29, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Okay. [[User:Bowser201|Bowser]][[User talk:Bowser201|201]] 12:51, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
I would say that King Boo is intended to be the same entity, as indicated by the consistency of the Japanese name between appearances. <s>But then Doc has me questioning about what constitutes a "character" now.</s> [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 14:55, April 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== King Boo's Voice Clips Stock Sound == | |||
So it's been thought that King Boo has been voiced by Toru Asakawa for quite a long while now, but it's apparently been discovered that his voice is just an edited stock sound from Sound Ideas - Series 4000 Hollywood Sound Effects Library? Here's a link the to source: https://soundideas.sourceaudio.com/#!details?id=7627435 | |||
And Here's a video that speeds up the full clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGBjtw2wdPs, It's definitely King Boo. | |||
Soooo.. I guess he never had an official voice actor. Pretty surreal. I guess his "portrayal" and Toru Asakawa's pages should be updated. -[[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]] ([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]]) | |||
:That's interesting... Now, that laugh isn't in ''every'' game, but I myself am not too sure what Toru Asakawa's portrayal is meant to be (just the laugh? King Boo's other voice effects?). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 20:48, April 3, 2021 (EDT) | |||
::I think the newer laugh that shows up in more recent games is just his old one but even more sped up, it seems it would be that way from this: (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/soundeffects/images/9/9b/Sound_Ideas%2C_CARTOON%2C_LAUGHTER_-_LOW%2C_THROATY_LAUGH%2C_HUMAN_01_%28King_Boo_Variant_2%29.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20210327033459) | |||
::So I guess its basically in every game he's in! Even weirder. But yes true, unless his other voice clips are just heavily edited versions of the laugh, they could be voiced by Toru. -[[User:OrbicularCicada|OrbicularCicada]] ([[User talk:OrbicularCicada|talk]]) | |||