Talk:Bubble Blooper
Merge with Bubble Blooper
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MERGE 6-0
As discussed below in the Comments section, the Dried Blooper is only an alternate form of the Bubble Blooper. While forms have been known to merit their own articles before, this situation is different because there are no statistical differences between each, and neither are nothing more than simple enemies rather than bosses, which are the type of enemy that usually are allowed separate articles for forms.
The main problem here is which form should be considered the "natural" or original state, and therefore which should be the basis for the merged article's name. As I've explained below, I feel that the Bubble Blooper is the original form, and should therefore be the article's title. However, this may not reach full agreement, so multiple options must be allowed. What this proposal is asking is whether we should merge the two articles or not, not what the merged article's name would be; because of this, ignore the issue of what the name should be. Articles fitting the profile of needing a merge should not be stalled due to one trivial reason which should be worked out after agreement over all the other, far more pivotal reasons.
Deadline: 5 January 2010, 17:00 Merge with Bubble Blooper
Leave un-mergedCommentsShouldn't this article be merged with Bubble Blooper? - Gabumon(talk) 14:46, 20 September 2009 (EDT) Yes it looks like it. User:Yoshiaga/sig 14:59, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
I think it's fine to leave them separate, even though they are alternate forms of the same enemy. There is a naming issue since we don't know what the "normal" form is supposed to be.Knife (talk) 15:37, 12 November 2009 (EST)
Let me try to offer some reasoning in favor of merging. I don't need to go into detail on all the reasons why, as Baby Mario Bloops already has, so the only remaining issue is what to name it... Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Bubble Blooper is both the "natural" state/form of the enemy, as well as the name we should go with. Why? Because both the English and original Japanese names for Dried Blooper suggest it is not the original state. To be "dried", you must first have some amount of moisture, correct? Likewise, the Japanese name suggests it is "parched". If being dried was the natural state, I would think moisture wouldn't matter so much. Contrast this with the Bubble Blooper, whose name doesn't suggest anything but what it is; it doesn't bother saying it's a "wet" or "quenched" Blooper. While that reasoning is nothing more than speculation, it makes perfect logical sense. Use of words is a specific deal, especially in non-English languages. The implication of each form's titles says a lot. Hopefully this settles it one way or the other, because I support merging. Redstar 23:27, 21 December 2009 (EST)
I have a contradiction. Bowser's body is normally dry, right? The Dried Bloopers only become Bubble Bloopers when Bowser drinks water (constantly), meaning they are in their Dried Blooper form more often. Wouldn't that mean the opposite is true? Dried Blooper possibly is the "normal" form because it is the most occuring state. However, you also make a good point. "Dried" suggests an altered state. We're back to square one. There is no way to prove which form is the "normal" one.--Knife (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2009 (EST)
I don't think you can apply human biology to this situation, especially since Bowser is a fictional character. However, if you do want to throw biology in here, there is another contradiction. The area where the Bloopers are located is in Bowser's throat (or Pump Works). Why would the throat constantly be filled with water? I imagine Bowser would have difficulty breathing. Remember that Bubble Bloopers only exist when they are submerged in water.--Knife (talk) 02:26, 22 December 2009 (EST)
The Bubble Bloopers exist only when they are submerged in water, not when there is simply moisture. This can be proven in two ways. One, their attack pattern suggests that they need a high level of water to attack (most of their attacks involve floating to the top of the screen). Second, if they only need moisture, why do they immediately turn into Dried Bloopers when Bowser stops drinking water? Obviously, there would be leftover moisture after the water recedes. As for the name implication, there are still inconsistencies. Bubble Blooper's Japanese name is Mineral Blooper, which makes no sense. Also, Dried Blooper's name in Spanish is Land Blooper. Finally, I would like to state that I am not debating that Dried Blooper is the "normal" form, but rather showing that there is not strong enough evidence to prove which is the "normal" form.--Knife (talk) 11:55, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Wait a minute... do you have a Prima guide? If so, is there an enemy glossary? If Dried Blooper is listed under Bubble Blooper or not listed at all, that would be proof enough that Bubble Blooper is the normal form. It hardly matters which form is encountered first though. In most cases, the true form of an enemy is revealed after something happens to it.--Knife (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Bubble Bloopers don't disappear when Bowser has backed away from the Sea Pipe Statue. They just shrivel down a bit. They have the exact same stats in battle, though. Their attacks are similar, except that they are more like spears and must be jumped over to avoid them instead of swatted with a hammer. I think that means that Bubble Blooper is the base form, since it only states that they shrivel down, after its Bubble Form. That is all I can state right now. Baby Mario Bloops On that note, if the Prima guide doesn't mention Dried Blooper by name, then is it possible that it's not even an official name? Hello, I'm Time Turner.
Settled :) --™ The 'Shroom 19:55, 7 January 2010 (EST) |