MarioWiki:Proposals

Proposals can be new features (such as an extension), removal of a previously added feature that has tired out, or new policies that must be approved via consensus before any action(s) are done. Any user can support or oppose, but must have a strong reason for doing so, not, e.g., "I like this idea!" "Vote" periods last for one week. All past proposals are archived.

A proposal section works like a discussion page: comments are brought up and replied to using indents (colons, such as : or ::::) and all edits are signed using the code {{user|User name}}.

This page observes the No-Signature Policy.

How To

1. Actions that users feel are appropriate to have community approval first can be added by anyone, but they must have a strong argument.
2. Users then vote and discuss on the issue during that week. The "deadline" for the proposal is one week from posting at:
   • Monday to Thursday: 17:00 (5pm)
   • Friday and Saturday: 20:00 (8pm)
   • Sunday: 15:00 (3pm)
3. Every vote should have a reason accompanying it.
4. Users who feel that certain votes were cast in bad faith or which truly have no merit can address the votes in the Comments section. Users can ask a voter to clarify their position, point out mistakes or flaws in their arguments, or call for the outright removal of the vote if it lacks sufficient reasoning. Users may not remove or alter the content of anyone else's votes. The voter can remove or rewrite their own vote at any time, but the final decision to remove another User's vote lies solely with the Administrators.
5. "# " should be added under the last vote of each support/oppose section to show another blank line.
6. All proposals that end up in a tie will be extended for another week.
7. If a proposal has more than ten votes, it can only pass or fail by a margin of three votes. If a proposal reaches the deadline and the total number of votes for each option differ by two or less votes, the deadline will be extended for another week.
8. Any proposal that has three votes or less at deadline will automatically be listed as "NO QUORUM." The original proposer then has the option to relist said proposal to generate more discussion.
9. No proposal can overturn the decision of a previous proposal that is less than 4 weeks (28 days) old.
10. Proposals can only be rewritten or deleted by their proposer within the first three days of their creation. However, the proposer can request that their proposal be deleted by a Sysop at any time, provided they have a valid reason for it.
11. All proposals are archived. The original proposer must take action accordingly if the outcome of the proposal dictates it. If it requires the help of a Sysop, the proposer can ask for that help.
12. There shouldn't be proposals about creating articles on a underrepresented or completely absent subject, unless there is major disagreement about whether the content should be included. To organize efforts about completing articles on missing subjects, try creating a PipeProject.
13. Proposals can not be made about System Operator promotions and demotions. Sysops can only be promoted and demoted by the will of Bureaucrats.
14. If the Sysops deem a proposal unnecessary or potentially detrimental to the upkeep of the Super Mario Wiki, they have the right to remove it at any time.
15. No joke proposals. Proposals are serious wiki matters, and should be handled professionally. Joke proposals will be deleted on sight.

The times are in EDT (UTC -4:00), and are set so that the user is more likely to be online at those times (after work/school, weekend nights). If a proposal is added on Saturday night at 11:59 PM EDT, the deadline is the next Saturday night at 8:00 PM. If it is a minute later, the deadline is a day plus 15 hours (Sunday), as opposed to a day minus 4 hours.

CURRENTLY: 22:25, 31 May 2024 (EDT)

New Features

Rules and Regulations for Specific-Article Proposals

Since Redstar (talk) has (perhaps unintentionally) brought up the issue of proposals on specific pages (see Talk:Earth Crystal or Talk:Straw) and Walkazo (talk) has said that "talk page 'proposals' do have a habit of going unnoticed for months," I thought that a specific set of rules and regulations pertaining to talk page proposals. I'll give you a few ideas of what we could do, my solution, and then multiple options for voting.

We need a specific name for these proposals. I propose (no pun intended... really) "talk page proposals." I am open to other suggestions, but this is the name that I will use.

I believe that these talk page proposals should get at least some mention to the whole userbase via this article (MarioWiki:Proposals) or a page linked to it (possibly MarioWiki:Proposals/Talk Page Proposals). This page will link to all pending talk page proposals and explain the rules of talk page proposals.

Which leads to the most important part of this proposal: the rules. Now, I will give you all my rules for these pages; in my opinion they are fair and better for their purpose. Here they are:

1. All rules for talk page proposals are kept the same as mainspace proposals, with the exceptions made by Rules 2 & 3.
2. Voting in talk page proposals will be open for two weeks, not one.
3. Talk page proposals may be deleted by the proposer at any time.
4. The talk page proposal must pertain to the article it is posted on. (Sounds like a dumb rule, but it's best not to have loopholes.)

As you can see in the voting section, I have given you a few options. Each should be explained sufficiently, but, if it is not, I will try my best to help you understand.

Note: Only if Part 1 passes will Part 2 be viable.

Proposer: Bloc Partier (talk)
Deadline: Friday, Dec. 25(!), 2009 (20:00 EST)

Part 1: Link to Talk Page Proposals

Link to Talk Page Proposals on a New Page: MarioWiki:Proposals/Talk Page Proposals

1. Bloc Partier (talk) - Sounds like the most space-efficient to me.
2. Redstar (talk) - Wonderful proposal. Supports everything I'm trying to do here... I feel it would be better to occupy these talk page proposals on a new page, since their purpose is a bit different, and may have different rules (if your rules are accepted). It would also save space, as well as give more attention to these types of proposals. If they were listed on here, they could easily be ignored. However, a new page listed right under Community - Proposals on the left task bar couldn't be ignored.

Part 2: Rules

Use Bloc Partier's Rules

1. Bloc Partier (talk) - Per me.

Part 2 Comments

Can you elaborate on your second rule? Redstar 19:40, 18 December 2009 (EST)

No putting a proposal to merge Mario with Luigi (don't ask me why I chose these two) on the Bowser page Marioguy1 (talk)

That's the third rule, I believe. I should clarify: I meant the rule headed under the third bullet (the first bullet doesn't seem to be describing a rule, so not sure why it's there). Redstar 19:50, 18 December 2009 (EST)

To clear up confusion, I numbered them and removed the specific bit. And now to answer your question: actually, the addition was somewhat arbitrary on my part. I sort of thought that since the proposer may change their mind or give up, they should have the power to delete their proposal. I dunno, just my thought process. What if I added a bit that says "...may delete their proposal if both the support and the oppose sides have fewer than five votes"? Bloc Partier (talk)

General Comments

Hmmm... This is a bit confusing. Oh well. If anyone needs help, I'd love to assist. Just ask. Bloc Partier (talk)

This proposal is allowed...Marioguy1 (talk)

Removals

None at the moment.

Splits & Merges

Boss and boss-parts

This proposal is for supporting the merging of different aspects of a boss to their related boss article. This is because these are suggested by their Tattle information to either be a part of or actually are the boss, because the main boss article is lacking complete information, and finally, because the division has largely resulted in stubs.

Specific examples of what I mean are as follows:

1. Bosses with different parts of their body that can be targeted, such as Exor or Smithy.
2. Bosses that have parts not necessarily attached to them, but are physical representations of that boss' mind or powers. Examples would include the elemental crystals of Culex or the crystals of the Crystal King. This does not extend to individual moves, or minions of the boss with individual sentience. Only those that are suggested by descriptions that these pieces are intimately connected to the boss in some way that results in one being unable to exist without the other.

Here is a quick and easy list of what this proposal will accomplish:

1. Remove stubs by merging them with their main articles
2. Create more complete articles by piecing together all the information in one place
3. Remove unnecessary division of information

And reasons why:

1. The information is divided. Putting it all in one place creates more complete articles as well as removes stubs
2. Many of these divisions are enemies that are either different rounds of the same boss, while still others are just pieces of the boss, so aren't really a different enemy

If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to use the Comments section below. Hopefully I provided enough information to make a decision. If you agree with this proposal in general, but you don't agree with some of the merges or are wary of the reason why, feel free to comment about it and we can discuss it. This is a big proposal and I don't want anyone Opposing if they don't agree with just one aspect.

Proposer: Redstar (talk)
Deadline: Monday December 21st, 2009 (17:00/5:00 PM)

Merge

1. Redstar (talk) - Per proposal
2. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! Hmm you do serve a well made point, alright because of presenting such a good point a support. Zero signing out.
3. T.c.w7468 (talk) per proposal
4. Vellidragon (talk) Supporting not so much because parts of a boss should be regarded the same entity, but because enemies/targets that only appear as part of a boss battle and would never reach anything beyond "stub" status on the Wiki don't need a seperate article (if it can be avoided) imo, regardless of whether or not they'd be part of the actual character/creature; it makes more sense to me to merge them into the main boss articles than have them lying around as eternal stubs. They can still have their own enemy cards in the boss article, but an entire article devoted to something like a Culex crystal is a bit too much imo.
5. Baby Mario Bloops (talk) - Like last time, we need this to happen. There is just no way for some articles like stated above just be able to become un-stubbed. Well, unless you babble on and on about one thing that they did to fill it, but then it is just a stub still, so...you have my support.
6. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) Like I said before, it's ridiculous how projectiles used by bosses get their very own articles that act a lot like stubs.
7. LeftyGreenMario (talk) I don't know what to say, but per proposal.
8. Yoshionfire (talk) per all
9. MATEOELBACAN (talk) As I said before, we need this, per all.

Comments

I agree with merging limbs and body parts to the person they belong to (that's why we don't split Exor). But then there's this line:

"and finally, because the splitting of these minions has largely resulted in stubs. "

You're talking about body parts, and all of a sudden you talk about minions? It's an easy decision for me: body parts -> merge; minions with an own consciousness -> no merge! - Edofenrir (talk)

I picked the relevant parts of my original proposal and edited various parts to make a more specific proposal, though that slipped through. Been revised. Redstar 23:48, 14 December 2009 (EST)

Just to clarify, if this passes will it mean all "boss-parts" that meet the criteria in the proposal will be merged on the spot, or is it merely opening up the floor for discussion? Different people have different opinions on what does and doesn't deserve a unique page, so like how we decided to have one page for Smithy and all his heads yet gave separate articles to Tubba Blubba and his heart, any more merges should be done on a case-by-case basis. - Walkazo (talk)

I say it depends whether the articles you want to merge are different cretures and have their own attacks. Supermariofan14 (talk)

It actually makes more sense to do this on an article-to-article basis. This whole proposal has called attention to the issue well enough, so anyone that has supported or opposed can easily take their votes to corresponding pages. The only reason I brought up this proposal in the first place was because I have indeed brought up proposals for merging on various pages, only to receive no response. Hopefully that has made it possible for discussion to carry over. Feel free to delete this proposal, but leave it up for awhile longer so people can be aware of the attention individual articles will be getting. Redstar 20:55, 15 December 2009 (EST)

I seem to be getting supports, just as last time. I'm going to ask, does anyone feel this proposal is necessary, or would it be wiser to just do it on an article-to-article basis? Redstar 21:00, 15 December 2009 (EST)

In my personal opinion, something like this should be done on a article-to-article basis. The examples you provided in your proposal seem fine to me; I would support merging any necessary articles to those specific examples. (Unless they have already; I'm not entirely sure.) Tubba Blubba and Tubba Blubba's heart is probably going to be the main thing I'd oppose moving since they seem to have distinct differences and play each play an important role in fighting Tubba Blubba. (I haven't played the game, but this is how it looks on the articles.) Though, this may be my own person bias here; I've grown to feel that any type of split/merge should be done on an article-to-article basis. (I've held two different proposals about merging things in the past, and they were just as hectic and controversial as this proposal was before.) The decision is ultimately yours, but I would do it one article at a time to ensure that everything is merged accurately. -- Stooben Rooben (talk)

I do recall that after you beat Tubba Blubba he says something like "I'm just a really sensitive guy trapped inside a huge body", possibly saying that they are both different charactersbut the heart does control TB so... I don't really know. Wait forget that! Tubba Blubba can move without his heart. Fawfulfury65 (talk)

I vote for an article-by-article basis as far as this proposal goes. If push comes to shove, I'd have to oppose the proposal. Bloc Partier (talk)

@Fawful: That could go either way, really. If it was said by a real-life person, it wouldn't be taken to mean that a buff bully has a sensitive person trapped inside them.

@Stooben & Bloc Partier: I agree. The reason I initially created this proposal was because proposals for merge on individual articles tended to get ignored. Even now, after proposing on the Culex-elemental crystal pages, I've yet to receive a response. Because of that, I feel this proposal should remain as-is. I will, however, request to have the proposal removed on one condition: if the individual articles pushed for merging actually get discussion. If they don't, then the proposal is necessary because the work won't get done otherwise. Redstar 01:39, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Well, just create a discussion on the talk pages of your selected articles. If you send me a link to each, I'll certainly give my two cents. Bloc Partier (talk)

Done. Anyone else can view his Talk page for the list, if interested. Redstar 19:57, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Yeah, talk page "proposals" do have a habit of going unnoticed for months, especially in smaller, out-of-the-way articles. Usually we suggest people create Pipe Projects to generate interest in these types of issues, instead of creating catch-all proposals. Going up to people (be they friends, Sysops, or major contributors to the page in question) and asking them for second opinions is also an option, though it's a little daunting, I'll admit. - Walkazo (talk)

I actually took care of about a dozen merges last night with Edo's help, so most of this issue is already taken care of. There's just the matter of my suggested merges, which I won't do without discussion or consensus. For convenience' sake, here's the list I'd given Bloc in case anyone wants to quickly add a vote or comment and get a decision done on an article-by-article basis.

Elemental crystals:

• Earth Crystal
• Fire Crystal
• Water Crystal
• Wind Crystal (Note that a vote in any direction will affect the three other crystal articles, so it'd be best to just add a single vote and discussion to the Earth Crystal page as that's where the work has already begun taking place)

• Crystal Bit
• Straw
• Tuff Puff
• Lava Bud
• Petit Piranha

Here's a few other articles proposed for merging or splitting, so it might help if you put in something for these as well.

Split:

• Blue Toad
• Yellow Toad
• Metal Mario
• Yoshi Baby

Merge:

• Bamma
• Flare
• Tubba Blubba's Heart (I'm no longer pushing for this one, since with some thought I don't think it'd be helpful. But, the merge is already up so some discussion would help in making it final one way or the other)

Split the colored enemies

It has come to my attention that while articles for each of the differently colored Yoshis exist, other colored variations of enemies, such as Toads and Shy Guys, do not. I know there's exeptions, but ignore those. Anyways, I ask this one question: why? For the Yoshis, there is very rarely a difference between them, as with the rest, yet they still get articles. If they get articles, so should the other characters.

So I'd like to see some character articles be created.

Proposer: Reversinator (talk)
Deadline: Wednesday, Dec. 23, 2009 (5:00 EST)

Create articles for colored characters

1. Reversinator (talk) What I said above.

Leave as it is

1. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk) The Yoshis get their very own artwork and some get their very own, distinguishable stats such as Super Mario World, Mario Super Sluggers, and Yoshi's Story. The Yellow Yoshi article even had a personality section and some colored Yoshis have notable Yoshis. The other colored characters that are not Toad or Yoshi do not have distinguishable traits other than the color.
2. Gamefreak75 (talk) In Yoshi's Story the Black and White Yoshi like chilis while the others dont and per BLOF.
3. Marioguy1 (talk) - Are there significant differences between the different color Toads? I don' think so, the Yoshis have many differences, per BLOF.
4. Redstar (talk) - Each differently-colored Yoshi has a different ability, which implies they are all varieties or sub-species of some sort. Different color for other species rarely means anything, so they shouldn't merit their own article unless they are as different as the Yoshi are. I do, however, while we're on the subject, feel the differently-colored species of other races should be merged within their main article. No difference besides skin color/clothing color, no need for own article.
5. Walkazo (talk) - We don't have enough information on differently coloured members of other species to create decent articles: all we'd be left with is hundreds of mostly speculatively-named stubs that essentially say the same thing ("X Y is a X coloured Y appearing in Z games."). At least differently coloured Yoshis have slightly different abilities, but then again, so might Birdos (depending on whether or not Super Mario Bros. 2 featured one recurring, colour-changing Birdo or many individuals - that's not entirely clear in itself), so I can see where this proposal's coming from. However, if a change has to be made, I say merging is the better option.

Comments

@BLOF: In the Baseball games, tons of other colored characters appeared, all with different stats, so that's null and void. With Yellow Yoshi, it describes him as brave, but aren't all of them? All right, the hungriness of them is ok, but how about other Yoshi? You know, the ones that don't have any significant differences between them, such as Brown Yoshi, Light Blue Yoshi, Pink Yoshi, Purple Yoshi and Orange Yoshi? Very few differences between them.

@GF75: That information can easily be merged with the article. "All the Yoshis in Yoshi's Story posess the ability to eat the food and enemies in its path, although Black Yoshi and White Yoshi are able to eat Spiky Fruits, Peppers and Black Shy Guys". Of course, it'd be a lot more detailed.

@MG1: It varies between games. Also, what about the Yoshis I mentioned above?

@Redstar: Again, what about the Yoshis I mentioned above? Reversinator (talk)

I'm sorry, but I don't know how I'm supposed to vote. Your proposal is about two things: merging the Yoshi pages and/or creating individual articles for differently-colored species. I think you should revise your proposal so I know if I'm voting for one thing or two things. Redstar 09:33, 17 December 2009 (EST)

All right. Reversinator (talk)

I almost want to support merging all the different Yoshi colors to the Yoshi (species) article, but there's just so much much information that I couldn't bear cutting it to make it fit. I'm going to have to continue opposing unless you can provide a specific example of a differently-colored species that has enough differences between them attributable to their color that would warrant splitting. Redstar 10:37, 17 December 2009 (EST)

This proposal is pretty vague. If you give specific examples, it would be much more clear as to which exact articles you want split. Bloc Partier (talk)

Reversinator: Yes, the different colored enemies did have different stats, but it's only in the baseball games. Same thing goes for Pink and Light Blue Yoshi, because they have distinguishable stats only in the baseball games as well. However, Red, Blue, and Yellow Yoshi have different stats in other games such as Super Mario World, and all Yoshis have likes and dislikes of fruit in Yoshi's Story. We can't merge just Pink, Brown, Orange, Purple and Light Blue Yoshi because this breaks consistency. BabyLuigiOnFire (talk)

There's a million different Shy Guy colors and some only appear once. For example, here's an article that will be created if the proposal were to pass:

Cyan Shy Guy

The Cyan Shy Guy is a cyan colored Shy Guy (obviously) that only appears in Mario Kart Wii as an audience member.

Then the stub template will be placed here.

It doesn't make sense. Gamefreak75 (talk)