Talk:Socially Awkward Piranha Plant

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Merge with Fire Piranha Plant

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Merge with Fire Piranha Plant 17-0
Inspired by the ongoing Johnson talk page proposal, I'm making a proposal to merge Socially Awkward Piranha Plant into the Fire Piranha Plant article (Other appearances section?). The reasoning is quite simple, really, it's just a joke image posted by Nintendo on their social platforms several years ago, and the three-sentence long article pretty much says all that needs to be said about it. "Socially Awkward Piranha Plant" by technicality is not a real character, having no character depth, no personality. The use of a stock artwork further proves that Socially Awkward Piranha Plant has no defining traits that can be differentiated from Fire Piranha Plant. letting Socially Awkward Piranha Plant have its own page may inspire someone to read too much into the caption of it spitting a fireball at everyone, as if it were an event that happened in the world of Super Mario. That event never happened, and the image was only ever meant to be a joke.

Proposer: Super Game Gear (talk)
Deadline: January 14, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. Super Game Gear (talk) Per my above points.
  2. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
  3. Sparks (talk) Behold! Another possible BJAODN entry. Per all.
  4. FanOfYoshi (talk) BJAODN all the way! A Jumping Fire Piranha Plant from Super Mario World.
  5. Camwoodstock (talk) GETS AN ARTICLE / IT'S SENT TO BJAODN (per all)
  6. Tails777 (talk) The is 100% a BJAODN candidate. Per proposal.
  7. Arend (talk) I've said it before, this NEEDS to be on BJAODN for the hilarious title alone.
  8. Biggestman (talk) goodbye my beautiful, beautiful baby boy... i will miss you dearly. P-P-per aaalllll.............
  9. Mario (talk) Sprite of a Piranha Plant from its Clinic Event in Dr. Mario World
  10. PnnyCrygr (talk) Dr. Crygor getting Miss, from the Wario... Where? version of Freeze Frame from Rhythm Heaven Megamix
  11. Blhte (talk) It's looks like definitely for a sake of joke... isn't it???
  12. EvieMaybe (talk) hooray for less infobox bloat!
  13. FanOfRosalina2007 (talk) This article is begging to be put into BJAODN! Per all.
  14. Sdman213 (talk) PeteyhurtPiT.PNG
  15. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) Please burn this.
  16. Mushroom Head (talk) This is as Socially Awkward as this Screenshot of a Piranha Plant in Super Mario Bros. Wonder gets. Per all socially awkward people. This is for Bad Jokes, (the Socially) Awkward, (and) Other Deleted Nonsense.
  17. Dark-Boy-1up (talk) We love you SAPP (Socially Awkward Piranha Plant). Now we will see you in an article which more people search for.

Oppose

Comments

For the record, this is the edit summary when the article was created: (officially named character: check. is given some semblance of a story: check.) PrincessPeachFan (talk) 20:06, December 31, 2023 (EST)

That further adds to the point of why the page should be redirected, if the user basically created it as a joke. Super Game Gear (talk) 20:27, December 31, 2023 (EST)
Not sure where you got this conviction that I made this page "as a joke". Per an extrapolation of the current "minor NPC" policy, this decidedly minor character deserves a page because it has a unique name and is given a little bit of context. I don't care what you do with this page either way but I'd sure appreciate you not assume bad faith in my contributions, tyvm. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 21:37, December 31, 2023 (EST)
I don't see why this deserves a page though. It's a one-time parody of an image macro meme that just so happens to be posted by an official Nintendo Facebook account (and nowhere else) in the previous decade, nearly 10 years ago; it's decidedly a joke from the account manager. The image itself should be preserved here on the wiki, but I don't think it really needs to have an article. In fact, I think it's pretty understandable that many others would think this article was made as a joke, because seriously, who would decide to give a one-time parody of a meme only found on social media its own article? The fact that this article is the only one of its kind, in spite of many image macros Nintendo accounts have made, kind of proves that.
If the article was made purely due to an extrapolation on our minor NPCs policy (which, frankly, I couldn't spot), then honestly, I think it's better to make a proposal to clarify the policy better, rather than make a silly article for the sake of pointing out a loophole. Even then, I personally wouldn't consider Socially Awkward Piranha Plant to fall under the minor NPC policy, because that implies Nintendo's Facebook account is a playable game (still though, more clarity on the policy is always nice). ArendLogoTransparent.pngrend (talk) (edits) 14:42, January 4, 2024 (EST)

...While I do truly think it's outrageous that this page can stand on its own, I'm once again being impulsive and overly rude, apologies, again. (was going to change the wording after hyped but it fucking totally turned into RIP) But meanwhile, it would be acceptable if a page could be dedicated to recording image macro memes by Nintendo's social account I think. Pi'illoper.pngBlhte(A****** c*****) 03:56, January 1, 2024 (EST)

Ah, maybe a article that is titled "List of official macros made by Nintendo"? Sure it can! And then it would list every macro made by Nintendo social media accounts from A to Z. Don't click Penny PnnyCrygr User contributions 04:12, January 1, 2024 (EST)
While we aren't opposed to a blanket page about these images, we feel like that'd be better suited for a gallery, honestly--a lot of those are very visual-reliant and some don't even have concretely defined characters, such as the "characters" those from those "Create-a-quote" fill in the blank images they made from around 2011-2014; how do you even make a section for a character whose character is implied and for the reader to decide for themselves? (That's rhetorical, don't answer it, you'll only hurt yourself.) We're rather doubtful there's continuity between the blue shell in the "Create-a-quote" versus the one from a German Facebook post, even if there is technically a language barrier. (...oh! since we realize maybe not everyone is as familiar with what we're talking about here--um, just go here and CTRL+F "Create-a-quote" and it's that image and the ones right after it. we know there's at least a few other create-a-quotes out there, but finding those on short notice is difficult. apologies! ;P) ~Camwoodstock (talk) 14:50, January 3, 2024 (EST)
All official "create-a-caption" pics that I'm aware of on the wiki are collected over at Category:Image macros, if that helps. Also, I wanna say your vote in this proposal paints Socially Awkward Piranha Plant as a cousin of Bad Luck Brian--but his shoes have already been filled by another Mario enemy! -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:59, January 3, 2024 (EST)
Well, if this was created because of the "minor NPC" policy... *grimaces* I got rid of my vote because I just realized that it wasn't created as a joke and has a name and some backstory and everything. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 12:47, January 1, 2024 (EST)

Could we include an option to merge to Piranha Plant instead? It is based on a Fire Piranha Plant render, but I don't think the intent is that it's a Fire Piranha Plant. TheUndescribableGhost (talk) 11:47, January 3, 2024 (EST)

"SPITS FIREBALL AT EVERYONE" Blinker (talk) 12:45, January 3, 2024 (EST)
Actually, it's normal Piranha Plant's Mario Party DS render. And normal ones have spit fire on rare occasions too. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:54, January 3, 2024 (EST)
Rare occasions? I've never seen a Piranha Plant at a summer party so you can be on to something. 😜 Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 20:26, January 3, 2024 (EST)

@Mario — The indentation on your vote is messing with the vote numbers, though. Maybe you could replace it with a caret (^) to the same effect? SolemnStormcloud (talk) 23:29, January 4, 2024 (EST)

From my end, the numbers do seem to count correctly. I already voted; I was just trying to directly comment on TheUndescribableGhost's vote, which is unprecedented in the wiki I suppose, but again, this kind of article is uh... pretty special. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:34, January 4, 2024 (EST)
I know you're responding to TheUndescribableGhost's vote, and that's why I suggested using a caret as an alternative. What browser are you using? I use both Brave and Firefox, and the vote numbers don't display properly on either. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 23:38, January 4, 2024 (EST)
Firefox, Vector 2022 skin. Monobook seems to display as intended. Oh well, I'll remove the comment. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 23:44, January 4, 2024 (EST)
I just now realized I super-derped... I didn't notice you already voted and didn't quite understand what you meant by that. Removing that comment is probably for the best anyways, to avoid confusion. That, or converting it into a regular comment in this section. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 23:58, January 4, 2024 (EST)
Troo. Other wikis with voting actually do format direct responses to votes this way. I could've put it in the comments section, but it doesn't have the directness I wanted from my indented comment. Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:06, January 5, 2024 (EST)
I suppose so... I'm still (figuratively, of course) hitting myself over mistaking your comment for a vote. That certainly was...awkward, of me. SolemnStormcloud (talk) 13:08, January 5, 2024 (EST)
Hey, at least you didn't spit fire all over the place! Mama mia! Artwork of a Hot Foot burning Mario in Super Mario Bros. 3 Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:15, January 5, 2024 (EST)

So, I've been reflecting on this and Ahehehauhe and I have to wonder - would an article on (forced) memes be a better home for this sort of stuff? LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:10, January 6, 2024 (EST)

I personally don't want that. Super Game Gear (talk) 14:12, January 6, 2024 (EST)
That's a no for me, dawg. BOWSER... (talk) 15:34, January 15, 2024 (EST)

Post-proposal discussion

My thoughts on Arend's comment, which come in late enough that I couldn't include them as a direct reply:
"There are no other articles like this, therefore we should never do it" is a fallacy on its own, but I'd say more similar articles haven't been created yet moreso because SAPP happens to be a unique case. The fact that this character's source material is "too obscure" and that alone supposedly makes it unfit for coverage is not something I can agree with; how recently would the meme have to be posted to count as "not obscure"? Two weeks ago? Yesterday? Whether it's a joke from a social media intern is also irrelevant considering its posting had to be approved in the first place. In fact, around 2013-2017, Nintendo's official accounts were extensively cutting their teeth on memes as an attempt to expand their reach; on the surface, SAPP indeed seems like an intern's mere joke, but there is context to support the idea it was very much part of a corporate-mandated marketing campaign of some sort.
To address the second paragraph, this meme counts as a piece of media, it presents a narative however basic it may be, and features an actual named character. I acknowledge this meme isn't a game, hence my use of the word "extrapolation"; the minor NPC policy may only cover video games, but the wiki's scope spreads over much more diverse media, from comics, to cartoons, to quiz cards, and I don't see how an official internet meme has no place within such a broad scope nor how it's so absurd that a character pertaining to it is given a perfectly valid article. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 16:08, January 15, 2024 (EST)

Ah, great. Now I feel bad about literally posting the thing to merge. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 09:16, January 16, 2024 (EST)
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