Talk:CD

Split off the Super Smash Bros. CDs and move them to the Smash items article

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Current time: Monday, May 27, 2024, 16:36 GMT

There are two ways in which we can determine that these are clearly not officially considered the same thing.

Firstly, the trophies for the Super Smash Bros. CDs make no mention whatsoever of Wario Land 4, while for every other item they mention the game they originally come from - unless the item is original to Smash.

Secondly, the Japanese name of Wario Land 4's CDs, specifically marking them as Time CDs, as opposed to Smash's, which are simply "CDs".

Based on this, I don't think there's any reason for these two items to share an article.

Proposer: Ahemtoday (talk)
Deadline: July 11, 2023; 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Ahemtoday (talk) Per proposal.
2. Hewer (talk) Per proposal.
3. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.
4. CoolNintendo (talk) The Wario Land 4 CDs are definitely not the same as the Smash Bros. CDs.
5. SolemnStormcloud (talk) Per proposal.
6. Wikiboy10 (talk) Japanese names differ.

Oppose

1. Waluigi Time (talk) It's a generic real life object that behaves more or less how you'd expect it to in all of its appearances. I don't see a point splitting them.
2. MegaBowser64 (talk) They're both CDs. They're both collected within a stage and can be played later. Per Waluigi Time, I don't see a point splitting them.
3. Tails777 (talk) Per Waluigi Time.

Comments

@CoolNintendo, does it matter if they are the exact same CDs? Baseballs are used in different games and contexts, but do we have separate articles for all of them? CDs are CDs. I understand your point of argument, but it just doesn't seem logical. BOWSER... (talk) 16:04, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The difference is the Japanese name, which clearly indicates that the Wario Land 4 collectible is a specific thing and not a general subject. Ahemtoday (talk) 18:25, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe Time CDs are a specific kind of CD, but they're still CDs. I see where you're coming from, and maybe we should provide more distinction on the page, but I just don't think there's enough distinction overall to make two separate articles for two different kinds of CDs. This is unless, of course, you believe Time CDs aren't a specific kind of a more general CD at all but are instead a totally different object, not falling under the "CD" umbrella. We could have "Time CD" redirect to the "CD" page, but I don't really see anybody playing the Japanese version of Wario Land 4 and then translating the item name to English only to search for it on an English wiki. BOWSER... (talk) 19:53, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

So are Super Mushrooms, Dash Mushrooms, and/or Mushrooms the same item? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 10:43, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Not at all. Notice each of the items you listed are obviously distinct from each other, and quite major. For me, the biggest reason to keep CD and Time CD on the same page is simply because both of them are fairly minor items. It isn't black and white on when groupings of very similar items on the same page become categories (such as Category:Mushrooms), but they do. My opinion is that there simply isn't enough distinction between these two minor items to warrant a separate page each. BOWSER... (talk) 11:40, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

My point with bringing up the Japanese names is: we don't cover Beastballs on the Baseball (object) article. Maybe we would if they were called "Baseballs", but they're not. And when it comes to this wiki, it's not the English name that counts in terms of being the same or different. There's mountains of precedent for that, but the one foremost on my mind is the Chestnut King Ahemtoday (talk) 21:26, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

You have a very good point. However, in this particular instance, "Time CD" still contains "CD", implying it is a type of CD, not a separate but similar item. BOWSER... (talk) 11:40, June 29, 2023 (EDT)