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#{{User|Biggestman}} While Lakitu in a Pipe is really funny, it is literally just a Lakitu. Per all.


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Where does the name "Pipe Lakitu" come from? - Zakor1138 19:52, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

Probably from them being a Lakitu in a Pipe. -GloopMaster

  • I mean the official source where the name comes from. Is Pipe Lakitu its official name? Zakor1138 (talk) 21:48, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Pretty much every enemy in Super Mario World is named during the ending credits. I would assume the name comes from there. -- 1337star (Mailbox SP) 23:50, 5 November 2012 (EST)
Well, its not. I again ask where the name comes from. Zakor1138 (talk) 14:34, 27 December 2012 (EST)

Actually, its official name is... "Lakitu in a Pipe" (Mario Mania, page 50). LinkTheLefty (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2014 (EDT)

A name is a name. Regardless of how silly it may be, it's still more official than what we've got. Hello, I'm Time Turner.

Merge with Lakitu?

Found some pictures, and the Super Mario Encyclopedia treats them as the same enemy each other. (the book was originally released in Japan, so it might be considered as a normal Lakitu in Japan). Should it be merged? I think it should. --An unused sprite of Vivian in Super Paper Mario. FanOfYoshiArtwork of Rainbow Mario from Super Mario Galaxy. 07:40, 4 January 2019 (EST)

Even then, there is instances where enemies with unique names get called the same thing as another enemy, such as how Toadies often get mistakenly called Magikoopas. While in this case a Lakitu in a Pipe is well, literally a Lakitu in a Pipe and Toadies are entirely different from regular Magikoopas, you could also consider merging Fishin' Lakitu with regular Lakitus if we were to merge variants of species that are only different from their parent species by being named and doing an activity, such as fishing. While the SME does consider them the same, we cannot cite the english SME due to it plagiarizing from this and other wikis, so unless we have proof that Lakitus in a Pipe are considered the same as Lakitus in the Japanese SME, I personally think that they should still be split, at least for now. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 08:42, 4 January 2019 (EST)
Unlike Fishin' Lakitu, this enemy's name is built on rather shaky foundations. What's Mario Mania again? Icon showing how many lives Mario has left. From Super Mario 64 DS. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 13:29, 4 January 2019 (EST)
~1994 guidebook, therefore in the same boat as Perfect Edition of the Great Mario Character Encyclopedia. It's also where we get every "Boo Buddy" variant, which in Japan, were all treated as the same enemy as well (other than the block ones), with the circling ones getting a unique name later. So if this is merged, the other Boo Buddies get merged too. That's Boo Buddy Snake, Boo Buddy Swarm, and Disappearing Boo Buddy. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:51, 4 January 2019 (EST)
@Doomhiker, unlike the Fishing Lakitu, the Lakitu in a Pipe was never treated separately from the normal Lakitu in Japan. --An unused sprite of Vivian in Super Paper Mario. FanOfYoshiArtwork of Rainbow Mario from Super Mario Galaxy. 08:50, 5 January 2019 (EST)
@FanOfYoshi, that is true, Mario Mania gave a lot of enemies that were the same as their parent species unique names, and as Mario Mania is a Nintendo Power-published book, it is hard to say it is a 100% reliable book, considering how Nintendo Power often made unique enemies in Japan generic, such as the with the Yoshi's Story frogs, and vice versa with enemies that where considered the same as other enemies in Japan. Perhaps instead of making a discussion or a proposal for every enemy that was the same as their parent species in Japan with Mario Mania making them unique, we could make a general proposal of which enemies that where only given uniqueness in Mario Mania should be split and which should be merged with their parent species. As for now, I now do agree the Lakitu in a Pipe should be merged with regular Lakitus, if the Boo Buddies with unique name in Mario Mania also are merged. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 09:52, 5 January 2019 (EST)
Big Boo getting 2 entries (Big Blue Boo was thought to be conjectural until checking. --An unused sprite of Vivian in Super Paper Mario. FanOfYoshiArtwork of Rainbow Mario from Super Mario Galaxy. 12:59, 5 January 2019 (EST)
I would honestly prefer that they all keep their own pages, as they have vastly different behaviors, are from the same game, and aren't just recolors. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2019 (EST)
Same for me. Toadette icon CTTT.pngFont of Archivist Toadette's signature(T|C) 15:43, 5 January 2019 (EST)
If i see no objection on it, we can safely merge it to Lakitu. --An unused sprite of Vivian in Super Paper Mario. FanOfYoshiArtwork of Rainbow Mario from Super Mario Galaxy. 10:18, 10 February 2019 (EST)
I can assure everyone that such a merge won't take place under the wiki's current general consunsus. See this proposal for details, as it's a similar case.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toadette the Achiever (talk).
It should be mentioned that we do not have separate articles for "Goomba in a Bubble" (50), "Fish in Bubbles" and "Bubble Bob-omb" (51), nor would there appear to be any interest in them. LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:33, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
It would make as much sense as the "Goomba (Balloon)" article, so I'd support it. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:17, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Unlike with the bubble enemies, which are simply the exact specified enemy in a bubble, the Lakitu in a Pipe acts differently than a normal Lakitu. My vote is it stays. Alex95sig1.pngAlex95sig2.png 18:19, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
I would support keeping the article separate as well, due to them behaving differently. --A sprite of a Flame Chomp from New Super Mario Bros. Wii.TheFlameChomp (talk) 18:21, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
They are different enemies gameplay-wise and officially, so I changed my opinion to match keeping these pages separate. Per Alex95 the bubble enemies are just enemies in bubbles gameplay wise unlike with Lakitus in Pipes, so their unique names can be turned into redirects for the time being. Doomhiker (talk)Artwork of a Topmini from Super Mario Galaxy 18:24, April 2, 2019 (EDT)
Lakitu in a Pipe is likely analogous to Super Mario World's "Piranha in a Pipe" (Piranha Plant), but the three bubble enemies have a similar function to Para-bomb and Para-Goomba. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:40, April 3, 2019 (EDT)

Update: Mario Portal (if you don't see this in archive try the original site) pictures "Lakitu in a Pipe" as the second type of "Lakitu". LinkTheLefty (talk) 17:41, August 24, 2022 (EDT)

Merge with Lakitu: Le proposal

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Per the above discussion. If this succeeds, we'll also have to examine how we'll handle Balloon Goomba, as well as Boo Buddy Snake (although the former is more likely, i'd compare it to the blue Dragoneel, even though my personal preference is to merge both to their respective article.). And even if this proposal fails, we'd still at least have to do something with Balloon Goomba, since it's called Goomba in both English and Japanese.

Proposer: FanOfYoshi (talk)

Deadline: December 1st, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

  1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.
  2. LinkTheLefty (talk) I do think there is a small chance this might just be prototypical Aqua Lakitu, but per Mario Portal and the fact that we don't have Mania's other "[Enemy] in [X]" as articles.
  3. Sparks (talk) Per all.
  4. Hewer (talk) Per all.
  5. Biggestman (talk) While Lakitu in a Pipe is really funny, it is literally just a Lakitu. Per all.

Oppose

Comments

@Link: I know this should be a story for another day (or maybe should i start proposal for them right away, given how Doc made one for Gobblegut while his Dino Piranha proposal is still in activity as of the time i'm writing this), but how do you feel about Boo Buddy Snake and Balloon Goomba, now that Mario Portal is a thing?
The preceding unsigned comment was added by FanOfYoshi (talk).

I don't feel one way or the other with balloon Goomba at the moment, but Encyclopedia groups it with Goomba. Portal just doesn't include its picture for some reason. The Boo variants might be a little complicated since Boo Crew became its own thing later. One thing at a time, I think. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:33, November 17, 2023 (EST)

I would vote for an Aqua Lakitu merge. If nothing else, it's clearly a reference to the SMW Lakitus appearing in pipes, considering the only level they appear in is in turn a whole reference to Piranha Plants appearing in pipes. They even behave similarly. But I guess being a reference might be the extent of it... Blinker (talk) 10:36, November 17, 2023 (EST)