Talk:Sky-High Sundae

Mario Kart Tour

a lot of people, im assuming, didnt notice this so im putting it here for others to see. at 28 seconds, bottom left corner, it confirms its coming to tour https://youtu.be/xBly7QHQkYA - RSM 09:55, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

New track or Tour track?

I am very curious as to what Sky-High Sundae is supposed to be considered as. Now yes, it's Mario Kart debut is 8 Deluxe, and the website does not give it a prefix, but the first trailer for the Booster Course Pass states that it contains 48 remastered courses from previous Mario Kart games, including Mario Kart Tour. That said, in the Wave 2 trailer, it states that Sky-High Sundae will be added to Tour in the future, but it does not say that for GBA Snow Land, despite it also not being in Tour. There's also the issue of Ninja Hideaway not having a prefix despite being a Tour track, so maybe the same is still applicable here, where both courses were created for Tour but don't have the prefix because they're not based on a city. When this course comes to Tour, I doubt its gonna be labeled as coming from 8 Deluxe, meaning that its original creation was intended for Tour. But that's just what I'm thinking. Thoughts? PrPro03 (talk) 15:05, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

I say if it debuts in 8DX, it's an 8DX track. We can't be sure if the track will be given an 8DX label when it shows up in Tour until it happens, but that won't change the course's actual debut. 15:46, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

Even if it isn't listed as Switch Sky-High Sundae or something to that effect once it's added to Tour, I don't think that would really prove anything. Ninja Hideaway is solidly a Tour track, but it doesn't have a prefix in 8DX. Unless they change that in the update, but at that point we're working off of what we think will happen instead of actual sources, which isn't the right move for a wiki. In any case, the Mario Wiki's stance on this will really only affect where we put it in the "Mario Kart racecourses" template - and if we're putting Tour Paris Promenade in there, I think Sky-High Sundae is plenty justified being put there until we get clearer evidence one way or the other.
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahemtoday (talk).

Stretch comparison, but Byleth, Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude all appeared in Fire Emblem Heroes before Three Houses released, but they're all still characters from Three Houses. This really isn't all that different a situation. The DLC is clearly taking from Tour so there's enough reason to believe this is intended to be a Tour track. Tails777 Talk to me!17:13, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

I don't think that comparison is accurate. I'm no expert on the Fire Emblem series, so correct any errors I make, but AFAIK Three Houses is a proper "new game" (for lack of a better term) while Heroes is an ongoing mobile game revolving around obtaining heroes from past installments, making their appearance in that game more comparable to Roy debuting in Melee before his "proper" game was released than the circumstances surrounding this race course. Mario Kart Tour itself is an ongoing mobile game continuously receiving updates with mostly courses from previous Mario Kart games and variants of them, so the "past content crossover vs. fully new installment" contrast isn't present here. Without official confirmation, calling SHS "properly a Tour track" seems arbitrary to me. Nintendo has shown a lot of inconsistency with Tour, straight up retitling existing tracks for no reason at all and making Ninja Hideaway the only Tour track in 8DX so far without a prefix. Therefore, I think we should stick to calling this an 8DX track until we get official confirmation to the contrary. 18:16, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

I still don’t think it’s right to call this an ‘’8 Deluxe’’ track since the Booster Course Pass is still marketed as “48 remastered tracks from past instalments”. I also don’t really think it’s speculation to say it’s intended to be a Tour track, since every track in the two waves is either in Tour, or at least in DS Shroom Ridge and even this course’s case, has an image to prove it will eventually be in the game. GBA Snow Land is the only track without direct proof, so with 15 out of 16 tracks all pointing in the same direction, I feel it’s clear to say this is all Tour based. And Nintendo didn’t say it’s a track originating from MK8D, but did say all 48 tracks were from other instalments, which sounds like proof that this isn’t a MK8D track. Tails777 Talk to me!

I personally think due to the mismatched flat textures and ultra wide roads that can fit the entire Daisy Cruiser on there that it's a Tour track first but idk. It's me, Mario! (Talk / Stalk) 00:25, July 29, 2022 (EDT)

Nintendo didn’t say it’s a track originating from Tour, either, and what they said about the BCP back in February isn't necessarily gonna hold up several months later. I remember Nintendo saying back when 7 was new that they didn't have any plans to patch that notorious Maka Wuhu respawn glitch for online play, then did exactly that shortly afterward anyway. Even if SHS was originally conceived as a Tour track, it still showed up in 8DX first. The simultaneous announcement for both games may have even been planned from the start - we certainly don't have proof that it wasn't. 01:11, July 29, 2022 (EDT)

Since it was announced for Tour and 8 DX simultaneously, i suppose its a new track for both Tour and 8DX. - RSM 18:30, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

Well, we can't put it down in both places on the all-race-courses template, so that doesn't help us. We still have to pick one. Ahemtoday (talk) 22:27, July 28, 2022 (EDT)

Datamine will tell, if this course is "U" or "mob". So it's better to wait until this track gonna be released. Piotrek1113 (talk) 10:23, July 29, 2022 (EDT)

Sadly, I can already confirm that the Booster Course Pass won't help us with its internal names, as they're all placeholder names using the c_nsw_nn format. We'll need to wait for the Sundae Tour. The in-game name used in Mario Kart Tour did confirm that it's not to be intended as a classic course introduced in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, though.--Mister Wu (talk) 05:10, August 5, 2022 (EDT)