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=== Insert info from Games === | === Insert info from Games === | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-21|do not insert info from sonic games}} | |||
Alright. I was happening to look through [[Shadow the Hedgehog]]'s article, and had edited something that was info from the games. I thought maybe, why not put info from the games into the articles (i e. Like add Sonic Rush info in Sonic, Tails, Blaze, Amy, Eggman, Cream, and Knuckles articles). This will also help some stub articles. This is overview, not in-depth. Add information from games, or don't add information from games? | Alright. I was happening to look through [[Shadow the Hedgehog]]'s article, and had edited something that was info from the games. I thought maybe, why not put info from the games into the articles (i e. Like add Sonic Rush info in Sonic, Tails, Blaze, Amy, Eggman, Cream, and Knuckles articles). This will also help some stub articles. This is overview, not in-depth. Add information from games, or don't add information from games? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|MegaMario9910}}<br> | |||
'''Deadline:''' June 19, 2008, 15:00 EDT | |||
==== Add Information from Games ==== | ==== Add Information from Games ==== | ||
#{{User|MegaMario9910}} I'm the proposer, so per me. | #{{User|MegaMario9910}} I'm the proposer, so per me. | ||
#{{User|Dr. Hammer}} It would mean more complete articles for the characters, so I suppose I support. And they technically were in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games and SSBB, so... | #{{User|Dr. Hammer}} It would mean more complete articles for the characters, so I suppose I support. And they technically were in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games and SSBB, so... | ||
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===Forms=== | ===Forms=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-10|do not merge}} | |||
I've been wanting to do this for a while, ao I'll be blunt: having articles like [[Fire Mario]] is stupuid. It's Mario with a Fire Flower: all of that info belongs in the [[Fire Flower]] article. The same goes for all Mario's forms: [[Ice Mario]], [[Wing Mario]], etc., and quite a few "subspecies": [[Beach Koopa]]s (Koopa's without their shells) and [[Fishin' Lakitu]]s (lakitus with Fishing Poles). I never did quite understand why these articles were needed. My proposal is that we merge all of these "form" articles with their respective power-up/character. | I've been wanting to do this for a while, ao I'll be blunt: having articles like [[Fire Mario]] is stupuid. It's Mario with a Fire Flower: all of that info belongs in the [[Fire Flower]] article. The same goes for all Mario's forms: [[Ice Mario]], [[Wing Mario]], etc., and quite a few "subspecies": [[Beach Koopa]]s (Koopa's without their shells) and [[Fishin' Lakitu]]s (lakitus with Fishing Poles). I never did quite understand why these articles were needed. My proposal is that we merge all of these "form" articles with their respective power-up/character. | ||
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'''Proposer''': [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]<br> | '''Proposer''': [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': June 19, 2008, 17:00 | '''Deadline''': June 19, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Prevent loss of information (Recipes)=== | ===Prevent loss of information (Recipes)=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-0|RULE THAT A MERGE OF THE RECIPES ARTICLES CANNOT LEAD TO LOSS OF INFORMATION}} | |||
A previously passed proposal (which can be found [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/7#Recipes|here]]) called for the merging of the [[:Category:Recipes|Recipes articles]] into one long page. While I'm not particularly bothered about this, I fear the possibility of information (such as notable trivia or complete lists of combinations) being removed so as to avoid an overly long page. (The second sentence of [[User:Xzelion/Recipes|what appears to be Xzelion's page for working on the merge]] suggests an intention to not include every combination, for instance.) I propose that it be set down that '''if any merge of the Recipes pages does eventually take place, ''all possible recipe combinations and all pieces of important trivia'' must remain somewhere easily accessible on the wiki''', such as a separate page for combinations. (The combinations page is ''only a suggestion'' and not part of the proposal.) My reasoning is that useful information should not be removed from this wiki for the sake of convenience, that the wiki should be a compendium of all things Mario-related, and that one should not have to visit another fansite to find out recipe combinations. | |||
A previously passed proposal (which can be found [[MarioWiki:Proposals/ | |||
'''Proposer:''' [[User:Soler|Soler]]<br | '''Proposer:''' [[User:Soler|Soler]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' June 20, 2008, 20:00 EDT | ||
====Rule that a merge cannot lead to loss of information (Support)==== | ====Rule that a merge cannot lead to loss of information (Support)==== | ||
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I think that we should have two pages for the Recipes: Recipes and Recipes (Trivia). Recipes (Trivia) will list the Recipe, then game, and finally the trivia. No descriptions on the Trivia page. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | I think that we should have two pages for the Recipes: Recipes and Recipes (Trivia). Recipes (Trivia) will list the Recipe, then game, and finally the trivia. No descriptions on the Trivia page. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | ||
:No, that'd be too disorganized/disjointed, and too much of a hastle for readers to go flicking back and forth between the two articles. The recipies page should simply be a big table listing all the things that can be baked/cooked, all the different recipies for making each one (with what game they come from indicated somehow), and the effects, etc. of the thing made. A Trivia section could be added at the bottom of the article; but only if it deals with the recipies, because as far as I know most, if not all of the ingrediants and final products have their own articles anyway. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :No, that'd be too disorganized/disjointed, and too much of a hastle for readers to go flicking back and forth between the two articles. The recipies page should simply be a big table listing all the things that can be baked/cooked, all the different recipies for making each one (with what game they come from indicated somehow), and the effects, etc. of the thing made. A Trivia section could be added at the bottom of the article; but only if it deals with the recipies, because as far as I know most, if not all of the ingrediants and final products have their own articles anyway. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::Walkazo's idea sounds good to me, but personally I don't mind too much how this is done so long as it's done somehow. Also, the final products '''won't''' have their own articles if the project initiated by [[MarioWiki:Proposals/ | ::Walkazo's idea sounds good to me, but personally I don't mind too much how this is done so long as it's done somehow. Also, the final products '''won't''' have their own articles if the project initiated by [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/7#Recipes|the previous Recipes proposal]] is completed. That's why I made this proposal in the first place: to ensure that all the content of the deleted articles will remain on the wiki, in an easily accessible format. —{{User|Soler}}. | ||
:Yeah, didn't think about the flipping back and forth. Maybe, to shorten the page length, we could have two pages (again): Recipes (A-M) and Recipes (N-Z). Go ahead prove me wrong. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | :Yeah, didn't think about the flipping back and forth. Maybe, to shorten the page length, we could have two pages (again): Recipes (A-M) and Recipes (N-Z). Go ahead prove me wrong. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | ||
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===Remove Automatons, Machinations, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Specters from the "Species" Category=== | ===Remove Automatons, Machinations, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Specters from the "Species" Category=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|2-11|keep as species}} | |||
It is true that a species is a group of of living things. It is also true, that undead things, and robotic things, are not ''living'' things, and do not constitute a species. Since common sense often fails, I'll included dictionary definitions of a species in my comments below. | It is true that a species is a group of of living things. It is also true, that undead things, and robotic things, are not ''living'' things, and do not constitute a species. Since common sense often fails, I'll included dictionary definitions of a species in my comments below. | ||
Now, many of you who are reading this will think I'm just getting bogged down by semantics, but any errors in the wiki reflect on the wiki (and us, the users) and I think an error as large as this one greatly detracts from the credibility of this wiki. | Now, many of you who are reading this will think I'm just getting bogged down by semantics, but any errors in the wiki reflect on the wiki (and us, the users) and I think an error as large as this one greatly detracts from the credibility of this wiki. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Goomb-omb|Goomb-omb]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': June 27, 2008, 20:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': June 27, 2008, 20:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Write Articles in the Same Tense=== | ===Write Articles in the Same Tense=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|3-6|no such rule}} | |||
Here I go: I mean tense as in ''past, present, future.'' Now, I've been looking at quite a few character articles, but this also applies to game articles, in the Story sections. I've noticed that the older games and characters' articles seem to be written in past tense, as in "Mario then defeated Bowser and then went psycho" - but more recent games/characters (e.g. Rosalina, Super Mario Galaxy...) are in present tense, like "Mario defeats Bowser and returns peace to the kingdom." So, I think it makes sense to have them all in present tense, no matter how old the character/game is. It's all about consistency, if you ask me. This is my first proposal, so I've probably done it wrong and it might get deleted...oh well, I tried. | Here I go: I mean tense as in ''past, present, future.'' Now, I've been looking at quite a few character articles, but this also applies to game articles, in the Story sections. I've noticed that the older games and characters' articles seem to be written in past tense, as in "Mario then defeated Bowser and then went psycho" - but more recent games/characters (e.g. Rosalina, Super Mario Galaxy...) are in present tense, like "Mario defeats Bowser and returns peace to the kingdom." So, I think it makes sense to have them all in present tense, no matter how old the character/game is. It's all about consistency, if you ask me. This is my first proposal, so I've probably done it wrong and it might get deleted...oh well, I tried. | ||
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There should be a rule that determines how to write an article...such as a rule about how old the game/event/whatever is. Or the rule could be that certain Sections, such as Story or History, are always consistent for any article, but that same article may have the more appropriate tense in other sections. Does that make sense? | There should be a rule that determines how to write an article...such as a rule about how old the game/event/whatever is. Or the rule could be that certain Sections, such as Story or History, are always consistent for any article, but that same article may have the more appropriate tense in other sections. Does that make sense? | ||
'''Proposer''':[[User:Dom|Dom]] | '''Proposer''':[[User:Dom|Dom]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': June 27, 2008, 20:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': June | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Star Rod=== | ===Star Rod=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|20-0|split}} | |||
The [[Star Rod]] article is currently about both the Star Rod that [[Bowser]] stole in ''[[Paper Mario]]'' and the item used in the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' series that originated from the ''[[Kirby]]'' series. Should the article be split in two articles, or remain as one article about two subjects? | The [[Star Rod]] article is currently about both the Star Rod that [[Bowser]] stole in ''[[Paper Mario]]'' and the item used in the ''[[Super Smash Bros. (series)|Super Smash Bros.]]'' series that originated from the ''[[Kirby]]'' series. Should the article be split in two articles, or remain as one article about two subjects? | ||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' June | '''Deadline:''' June 30, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support (split article)==== | ====Support (split article)==== | ||
#{{User|Stumpers}} - Historically, multiple subjects have only been on the same page if they are minor ([[Board (Super Mario Galaxy)]]) or they are very closely connected ([[Ashley & Red]]). The two Star Rods are neither: they are prominent subjects from different video game series. Each has its own distinct history. I have heard the arguement that the ''Paper Mario'' Star Rod is a reference to the ''Kirby'' Star Rod, but this arguement has no source behind it, official or otherwise. Even if it was a reference, I fail to see why the two should be merged. The [[Devolution Gun]] isn't merged with the [[Super Scope]], for example, as both have significant, distinct roles in the ''[[Mario ( | #{{User|Stumpers}} - Historically, multiple subjects have only been on the same page if they are minor ([[Board (Super Mario Galaxy)]]) or they are very closely connected ([[Ashley & Red]]). The two Star Rods are neither: they are prominent subjects from different video game series. Each has its own distinct history. I have heard the arguement that the ''Paper Mario'' Star Rod is a reference to the ''Kirby'' Star Rod, but this arguement has no source behind it, official or otherwise. Even if it was a reference, I fail to see why the two should be merged. The [[Devolution Gun]] isn't merged with the [[Super Scope]], for example, as both have significant, distinct roles in the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise. | ||
#{{User|MegaMario9910}} - Both have had different roles, and are complete different things in the Marioverse. One SSB (which is also the same one from Kirby), and the one from Paper Mario. Per Stumpers. | #{{User|MegaMario9910}} - Both have had different roles, and are complete different things in the Marioverse. One SSB (which is also the same one from Kirby), and the one from Paper Mario. Per Stumpers. | ||
#{{User|MC Hammer Bro.}}-Good point. Both have different powers and different uses. And plus only one is used in SSB while the other isn't. | #{{User|MC Hammer Bro.}}-Good point. Both have different powers and different uses. And plus only one is used in SSB while the other isn't. | ||
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===The Notability Standard=== | ===The Notability Standard=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|10-0|new notability standard}} | |||
To quote one of the standards for a Featured Article as established by [[MarioWiki:Featured articles]], to become an FA an article must, "…be notable and have significant content – some complete articles like [[Spiny Shroopa]] do not have enough information to become FAs." On a number of Featured Article Nominations, including [[Smithy]] and [[Alien (Club Nintendo)]], the nomination has been questioned on the basis of this rule. If a single user feels that a subject is too minor, he or she can stop the nomination in its tracks by casting an oppose vote. In my opinion, the quoted standard leaves too much up to opinion of a small group of users and defeats the purpose of an oppose vote. The point of an oppose vote is to help the supporters to make improvements on the article (as established by MarioWiki:Featured Articles). The supporters cannot make a subject more notable. In addition, the rule may hinders desire to edit an article about a minor topic. However, I do appreciate the need for a featured article to be longer than Spiny Shroopa if the Wiki is to look established and appealing to new editors and casual readers. Therefore, I propose that we replace the above condition with the following: '''to become an FA, an article must have at least 4,000 characters (letters, spaces, etc.) not including templates, categories, quotes, images, and "official profiles and statistics" sections. Text in an image thumbnail is included.''' Examples of articles that just make this limit are [[Baby Daisy]] and [[Booster]]. I am currently open to increasing the minimum character limit or removing non-breaking spaces (the ones the spacebar puts in) from that limit; please discuss. Microsoft Word includes a statistic feature that allows a user to easily find the character count with and without spaces. | |||
To quote one of the standards for a Featured Article as established by [[MarioWiki:Featured | |||
'''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' June 30, 17:00 | '''Deadline:''' June 30, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support (replace standard)==== | ====Support (replace standard)==== | ||
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===Allow cameo '''appearences''' to be documented in character articles=== | ===Allow cameo '''appearences''' to be documented in character articles=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|14-0|add cameo appearances to character articles}} | |||
The Cameo page currently includes numerous examples of purposeful Mario appearences by Nintendo. These incude his appearences in those sports games )can't remember the names) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out Kirby Superstar, etc. I propose that we incorporate these "official" cameo's into the main characters article, as a way to include more info. | The Cameo page currently includes numerous examples of purposeful Mario appearences by Nintendo. These incude his appearences in those sports games )can't remember the names) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out Kirby Superstar, etc. I propose that we incorporate these "official" cameo's into the main characters article, as a way to include more info. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 1, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 1, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
I dunno. If we listed '''every''' time Mario has been seen/mentioned in a tv show, the page would be (even more) horribly long. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT) | I dunno. If we listed '''every''' time Mario has been seen/mentioned in a tv show, the page would be (even more) horribly long. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 12:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT) | ||
:I am not suggesting that we mention every Mention, or even every appearence. For instance several series feature characters who dress in a style similar to Mario: these can be left out of the article. However, when Mario (or any other character, for that matter) makes a full-fledged appearence and has an actual role in an episode, it should be mentioned. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | :I am not suggesting that we mention every Mention, or even every appearence. For instance several series feature characters who dress in a style similar to Mario: these can be left out of the article. However, when Mario (or any other character, for that matter) makes a full-fledged appearence and has an actual role in an episode, it should be mentioned. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | ||
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===Merge Mario's clothing=== | ===Merge Mario's clothing=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-7|no merge}} | |||
So I've been looking around the wiki, and I recently noticed that there are articles of each piece of Mario's clothing (excluding his overalls). I find this a bit odd. They aren't very notable in any way. So I think we should merge each piece into one article. It would be named something like "Mario's clothing" or "List of Mario's clothing" or something to that effect. Opinions? | So I've been looking around the wiki, and I recently noticed that there are articles of each piece of Mario's clothing (excluding his overalls). I find this a bit odd. They aren't very notable in any way. So I think we should merge each piece into one article. It would be named something like "Mario's clothing" or "List of Mario's clothing" or something to that effect. Opinions? | ||
'''Proposer''':[[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]] | '''Proposer''':[[User:huntercrunch|huntercrunch]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 3, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 3, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
Just so that people can judge better, the articles are: [[Mario's Hat]], [[Mario's Glove]], [[Mario's Shoe]], {{ | Just so that people can judge better, the articles are: [[Mario's Hat]], [[Mario's Glove]], [[Mario's Shoe]], {{fake link|Mario's Shirt}}, [[Mario's Overalls]], and, if you consider it, [[Mario's Star]]. I would agree with you on the glove, shoes, shirt, and overalls. We did the same with [[Pauline's Items]]. However, the hat is what's getting to me. That has played an important role in the series and is apparently the secret to Mario's power (see Super Mario 64). {{User|Stumpers}} | ||
I think his shoes and gloves should be merged. -[[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | I think his shoes and gloves should be merged. -[[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | ||
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===Fire and Ice Templates=== | ===Fire and Ice Templates=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|12-0|change templates}} | |||
As I said on the [[Template_talk:Fire|Fire talk page]], too many things use fire (or ice) for these templates to be practical. Instead, I propose we alter these templates so that they only include things made of, or irrefutably linked to fire/ice. This is a better design because readers could then research creatures of fire or ice with as much ease as if they were using the [[Template:Birds|Bird]] or [[Template:Fish|Fish]] Templates to research those kinds of beings, instead of getting bogged down with species that only use fire or ice. For example, if someone wants to research Birds, anything else in the Bird Template that flies but isn't a bird would slow them down; however a misfile like this would be obvious as a bird is a clearly defined animal, while what can be considered appropriately placed under "Fire" and "Ice" is much more subjective. As such, I'm open to suggestions on what should or shouldn't be removed, my first attempt (complete with justifications for my choices) can be seen alongside the original templates [[User:Walkazo/Templates|here]]; as are newer split-template versions of Fire and Ice suggested by [[User:Soler|Soler]] below, which are now the designs I plan to put into effect if this proposal passes. | As I said on the [[Template_talk:Fire|Fire talk page]], too many things use fire (or ice) for these templates to be practical. Instead, I propose we alter these templates so that they only include things made of, or irrefutably linked to fire/ice. This is a better design because readers could then research creatures of fire or ice with as much ease as if they were using the [[Template:Birds|Bird]] or [[Template:Fish|Fish]] Templates to research those kinds of beings, instead of getting bogged down with species that only use fire or ice. For example, if someone wants to research Birds, anything else in the Bird Template that flies but isn't a bird would slow them down; however a misfile like this would be obvious as a bird is a clearly defined animal, while what can be considered appropriately placed under "Fire" and "Ice" is much more subjective. As such, I'm open to suggestions on what should or shouldn't be removed, my first attempt (complete with justifications for my choices) can be seen alongside the original templates [[User:Walkazo/Templates|here]]; as are newer split-template versions of Fire and Ice suggested by [[User:Soler|Soler]] below, which are now the designs I plan to put into effect if this proposal passes. | ||
'''Proposer''':[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] | '''Proposer''':[[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 9, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 9, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
How about something like this for the Fire template, and something similar for the Ice? I tried to simulate Walkazo's formatting as best as I could: feel free to fix the formatting. I feel that this would serve both people with Walkazo's view of the term and those with a broader view of it. If the show/hide feature is unnecessary, please remove it. Another option would be to split the templates in two. —{{User|Soler}}. (I am going on holidays on Sunday, so please excuse me if I do not reply to your unrelenting criticism...) | How about something like this for the Fire template, and something similar for the Ice? I tried to simulate Walkazo's formatting as best as I could: feel free to fix the formatting. I feel that this would serve both people with Walkazo's view of the term and those with a broader view of it. If the show/hide feature is unnecessary, please remove it. Another option would be to split the templates in two. —{{User|Soler}}. (I am going on holidays on Sunday, so please excuse me if I do not reply to your unrelenting criticism...) | ||
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===Repeated Info, Pointless Pages?=== | ===Repeated Info, Pointless Pages?=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|13-0|remove individual smash info on the final smash page}} | |||
If you look at the [[Final Smash]] page, you'll see that each one is listed in a table, along with a fairly large amount of info about it. Each one has a link to the page that is specifically about that particular Final Smash (e.g. the Aura Storm has its own page, etc). I've read these individual separate pages, and their info is practically the same as what it says on the main Final Smash page. So, are these small pages kind of pointless? In fact, some of the descriptions on the FS page are more detailed than on the page they link to, as they contain info about damage percentages and stuff. | If you look at the [[Final Smash]] page, you'll see that each one is listed in a table, along with a fairly large amount of info about it. Each one has a link to the page that is specifically about that particular Final Smash (e.g. the Aura Storm has its own page, etc). I've read these individual separate pages, and their info is practically the same as what it says on the main Final Smash page. So, are these small pages kind of pointless? In fact, some of the descriptions on the FS page are more detailed than on the page they link to, as they contain info about damage percentages and stuff. | ||
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OR we only include very small amounts of info on the main Final Smash page, so that it's actually worth having the linked pages. | OR we only include very small amounts of info on the main Final Smash page, so that it's actually worth having the linked pages. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Dom|Dom]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Dom|Dom]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 13, 2008, 15:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 13, 2008, 15:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
====Comments==== | ====Comments==== | ||
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===Paper Luigi=== | ===Paper Luigi=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-5|no separate article}} | |||
It is pretty hard to find all of the data from Luigi's quest from The Thousand-Year Door, on this wiki. So I propose that we merge all the articles that have to do with luigi's quest in the waffle kingdom, into one single article. that way, if someone needs to look it up, they can easily find it. | It is pretty hard to find all of the data from Luigi's quest from The Thousand-Year Door, on this wiki. So I propose that we merge all the articles that have to do with luigi's quest in the waffle kingdom, into one single article. that way, if someone needs to look it up, they can easily find it. | ||
(I know that this is a pretty short proposal) | (I know that this is a pretty short proposal) | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Dryest bowser|Dryest bowser]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Dryest bowser|Dryest bowser]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 17, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 17, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Merlon=== | ===Merlon=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-4|merge}} | |||
There are two Merlon articles, [[Merlon (Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door)|one for Paper Mario and PM:TTYD]], and [[Merlon (Super Paper Mario)|another one for Super Paper Mario.]] This is useless because all 3 Merlons are from the same series and serve similar purposes. That way Merlon would be easier to look up and easier to maintain. | There are two Merlon articles, [[Merlon (Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door)|one for Paper Mario and PM:TTYD]], and [[Merlon (Super Paper Mario)|another one for Super Paper Mario.]] This is useless because all 3 Merlons are from the same series and serve similar purposes. That way Merlon would be easier to look up and easier to maintain. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:StarYoshi1|StarYoshi1]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:StarYoshi1|StarYoshi1]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 21, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 21, 2008 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Signature Image Height Restriction=== | ===Signature Image Height Restriction=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|5-0|change maximum image height to 35 pixels}} | |||
This is mostly a clarification of a certain rule on the Mario Wiki. [[MarioWiki:Personal files|Here]], it says that an image in a signature can be no taller than 20 pixels. [[MarioWiki:Signatures|Here]], it says that your signature must fit in a 225x35-pixel space. In a discussion I had with [[User:Time Q|Time Q]], he said that there are many users with images taller than 20 pixels and that he was unaware of the 20-pixel-height rule until I pointed it out to him. Therefore, I propose that the 20-pixel-height rule be changed to 35 pixels to match the height of the [[Template:Sigbox|Sigbox]]. | |||
This is mostly a clarification of a certain rule on the Mario Wiki. [[MarioWiki: | |||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Pikax|Pikax]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Pikax|Pikax]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 22, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 22, 2008 17:00 | |||
====Support (change maximum image height to 35 pixels)==== | ====Support (change maximum image height to 35 pixels)==== | ||
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'''No requests to check your sigs here please.''' Ask other users on their talk pages instead. {{user|Time Q}} | '''No requests to check your sigs here please.''' Ask other users on their talk pages instead. {{user|Time Q}} | ||
Actually, [[MarioWiki: | Actually, [[MarioWiki:Signatures]] says "A small image may be used, limited to 35 pixels in height." If [[MarioWiki:Personal files]] says someething different, that's an inconsistency. {{User|CrystalYoshi}} | ||
:This proposal is mostly about sorting out this inconsistency. {{User|Pikax}} | :This proposal is mostly about sorting out this inconsistency. {{User|Pikax}} | ||
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===Multi-Appearing Mario Kart Track Pages=== | ===Multi-Appearing Mario Kart Track Pages=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|13-3|use new page layout}} | |||
Since it was unanimous to keep tracks with multiple appearances in Mario Kart games merged, I added an info box to each version of the track to keep things less cluttered. I was planning on including a gallery with several screen shots and artwork (if any) in a gallery at the end of the section pertaining to the game's version of the track. [[User:Coincollector|Coincollector]] seems to disagree. He feels that every version of the track should be squished into one info box. [http://www.mariowiki.com/Luigi_Circuit This is how the page is currently set up.] With screenshots cluttered around left and right. If you look at my [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Luigi_Circuit&oldid=415321 version], everything was a bit more organized in my opinion. My version is also not complete, as it was cut off before I could finish it. '''The finished version would still be filled out a bit more.''' However, I think it still illustrates the idea. Coincollector and myself both believe in our versions, so I wanted to hear some opinions on this. | Since it was unanimous to keep tracks with multiple appearances in Mario Kart games merged, I added an info box to each version of the track to keep things less cluttered. I was planning on including a gallery with several screen shots and artwork (if any) in a gallery at the end of the section pertaining to the game's version of the track. [[User:Coincollector|Coincollector]] seems to disagree. He feels that every version of the track should be squished into one info box. [http://www.mariowiki.com/Luigi_Circuit This is how the page is currently set up.] With screenshots cluttered around left and right. If you look at my [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Luigi_Circuit&oldid=415321 version], everything was a bit more organized in my opinion. My version is also not complete, as it was cut off before I could finish it. '''The finished version would still be filled out a bit more.''' However, I think it still illustrates the idea. Coincollector and myself both believe in our versions, so I wanted to hear some opinions on this. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Mario Gamer|Mario Gamer]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:Mario Gamer|Mario Gamer]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 22, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 22, 2008 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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::::[http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evidencewl6.png Here's what Pikax sees.] | ::::[http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evidencewl6.png Here's what Pikax sees.] | ||
:::::{{user|Mario Gamer}} - Well I think that is a problem with your browser or resolution, not the layout. I don't know of a way to fix that problem since it doesn't occur to me. | :::::{{user|Mario Gamer}} - Well I think that is a problem with your browser or resolution, not the layout. I don't know of a way to fix that problem since it doesn't occur to me. | ||
{{user|Coincollector}} - For '''Pikax''', the only solution is putting all the screenshots in a gallery, near the bottom of the article, as usually galleries of articles appear. the second solution would be to use the <tt><nowiki> | {{user|Coincollector}} - For '''Pikax''', the only solution is putting all the screenshots in a gallery, near the bottom of the article, as usually galleries of articles appear. the second solution would be to use the <tt><nowiki>{{br}}</nowiki></tt> between text and the gallery to move the gallery that overlaps the table. Now, respecting to the templates, It would not be a problem to me to make templates, although I should do that and see how it results. | ||
:{{user|Mario Gamer}} - The page already had those <nowiki><br></nowiki> tags set up. I edited it slightly to see if I could fix the problem, but again it doesn't happen on any of the three computers I've viewed it with. Let me know if this solves it Pikax. | :{{user|Mario Gamer}} - The page already had those <nowiki><br></nowiki> tags set up. I edited it slightly to see if I could fix the problem, but again it doesn't happen on any of the three computers I've viewed it with. Let me know if this solves it Pikax. | ||
::{{User|Pikax}} - Never mind, I've sorted it out. | ::{{User|Pikax}} - Never mind, I've sorted it out. | ||
:::{{User|Pikax}} - '''Argh! The edits I made changed the wrong version!''' Anyway, Mario Gamer, just stick those <tt><nowiki> | :::{{User|Pikax}} - '''Argh! The edits I made changed the wrong version!''' Anyway, Mario Gamer, just stick those <tt><nowiki>{{br}}</nowiki></tt> tags before and after all of the galleries and the problem will be solved. | ||
{{user|Mario Gamer}} - I don't mean to sound rude here Coincollector, but what is the point of this proposal if you're just going to be changing the layout later? I think the layout should stay as the people vote on it. | {{user|Mario Gamer}} - I don't mean to sound rude here Coincollector, but what is the point of this proposal if you're just going to be changing the layout later? I think the layout should stay as the people vote on it. | ||
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===Legendary Dogs=== | ===Legendary Dogs=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|2-5-9|keep as it is}} | |||
Alright, when I was doing some infoboxes on some articles, one was the [[Entei]] article. When I tryed typing Suicune down, the article wasn't created. I tried Raikou, also, and there was no page. I don't see why we have an Entei article when there's not a Suicune and/or Raikou article. I'm proposing that we either: delete the Entei article; create the Suicune and Raikou article; or keep the Entei article and don't create the Suicune and Raikou article. For those who don't know who these three are and why Suicune and Raikou should have articles: is because that they are the three legendaries from the Pokemon games (ie. Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno), so having one legendary dog without the other two is pointless. So, which option? | Alright, when I was doing some infoboxes on some articles, one was the [[Entei]] article. When I tryed typing Suicune down, the article wasn't created. I tried Raikou, also, and there was no page. I don't see why we have an Entei article when there's not a Suicune and/or Raikou article. I'm proposing that we either: delete the Entei article; create the Suicune and Raikou article; or keep the Entei article and don't create the Suicune and Raikou article. For those who don't know who these three are and why Suicune and Raikou should have articles: is because that they are the three legendaries from the Pokemon games (ie. Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno), so having one legendary dog without the other two is pointless. So, which option? | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|MegaMario9910}} | '''Proposer''': {{User|MegaMario9910}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 27, 2008, 15:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 27, 2008 15:00 | |||
====Create Raikou and Suicune Article==== | ====Create Raikou and Suicune Article==== | ||
#{{User|MegaMario9910}} - Its best to create the article, since they've appeared in the same games that Entei has. | #{{User|MegaMario9910}} - Its best to create the article, since they've appeared in the same games that Entei has. | ||
#per Megamario9910 a.k.a weird guy. {{User|Mrsdaisyluigi}} | #per Megamario9910 a.k.a weird guy. {{User|Mrsdaisyluigi}} | ||
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===Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow=== | ===Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|1-8|keep separate}} | |||
Currently, there are articles for Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow, special attacks in the Smash Bros series. However, these attacks are both VERY similar to their respective counterparts (Boomerang and Bow). So I propose that both of those moves will be merged with the latter. Below are some of my specific merging reasons: | Currently, there are articles for Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow, special attacks in the Smash Bros series. However, these attacks are both VERY similar to their respective counterparts (Boomerang and Bow). So I propose that both of those moves will be merged with the latter. Below are some of my specific merging reasons: | ||
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So there are all my reasons. Also, if this proposal passes, I think we should make Gale Boomerang redirect to Boomerang and Fire Bow to Bow. | So there are all my reasons. Also, if this proposal passes, I think we should make Gale Boomerang redirect to Boomerang and Fire Bow to Bow. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:huntercrunch]] | '''Proposer''': [[User:huntercrunch]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': July 31, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': July 31, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Merge==== | ====Merge==== | ||
#[[User:huntercrunch]] - I am the proposer and my reasons are given above. | #[[User:huntercrunch]] - I am the proposer and my reasons are given above. | ||
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===Grandma Toadstool=== | ===Grandma Toadstool=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|7-0|split}} | |||
A little bit of history before the proposal: in ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' episode "[[Little Red Riding Princess]]" (1989), the character [[Grandma Toadstool]] was introduced as Peach's grandmother. This was her official name, as seen on her mailbox, and it was a proper noun (ex. "Baby Mario" rather than "baby Mario"). Grandma Toadstool was a [[human]] character who lived in the [[Mushroom Woods]]. Later, in ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' (1996), a [[Toad (species)|Toad]] character living in the [[Mushroom Castle]] appeared under the improper name, "Toadstool's grandma"/"Toadstool's grandmother." (note improper capitalization). | A little bit of history before the proposal: in ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' episode "[[Little Red Riding Princess]]" (1989), the character [[Grandma Toadstool]] was introduced as Peach's grandmother. This was her official name, as seen on her mailbox, and it was a proper noun (ex. "Baby Mario" rather than "baby Mario"). Grandma Toadstool was a [[human]] character who lived in the [[Mushroom Woods]]. Later, in ''[[Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars]]'' (1996), a [[Toad (species)|Toad]] character living in the [[Mushroom Castle]] appeared under the improper name, "Toadstool's grandma"/"Toadstool's grandmother." (note improper capitalization). | ||
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'''Proposer''': {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | '''Proposer''': {{User|Stumpers}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August | '''Deadline''': August 7, 2008, 17:00 EDT | ||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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===Bios=== | ===Bios=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|failed|5-9|no such bios}} | |||
I have noticed, that the people's pages (i.e. [[Satoru Iwata]]) haven't got many or any information about their lives, childhood, etc. So i propse to add a decent bio to the most important pages. | I have noticed, that the people's pages (i.e. [[Satoru Iwata]]) haven't got many or any information about their lives, childhood, etc. So i propse to add a decent bio to the most important pages. | ||
'''Proposer''': [[User:Tucayo]]<br>'''Deadline''': August | '''Proposer''': [[User:Tucayo]]<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August 7, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
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====Oppose==== | ====Oppose==== | ||
#{{User|Palkia47}} - No, as it has nothing to do with the Mario Wiki. As seen in my past proposals and other places, we are not to create/add info that have nothing to do with the Mario/DK/Yoshi/Wario/SSB series'. This possibly goes for profiles/bios for real life people whom had some kind of relation to Mario via creating games, etc. | #{{User|Palkia47}} - No, as it has nothing to do with the Mario Wiki. As seen in my past proposals and other places, we are not to create/add info that have nothing to do with the Mario/DK/Yoshi/Wario/SSB series'. This possibly goes for profiles/bios for real life people whom had some kind of relation to Mario via creating games, etc. | ||
#{{User|Mrsdaisyluigi}} Per Palkia47. | #{{User|Mrsdaisyluigi}} Per Palkia47. | ||
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===Catch Card Locations=== | ===Catch Card Locations=== | ||
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|6-3|add catch card locations}} | |||
As I ran across the [[List of Catch Cards]] page, I noticed that the locations of the catch cards are not listed whatsoever. I found this rather...disappointing. So here's what I propose: Add an additional brief description as to the location of each catch card. This would include city (i.e. [[Lineland]]), if one must flip or enter a pipe to reach the card, and perhaps the chapter in which it is located to the [[List of Catch Cards]] article. | As I ran across the [[List of Catch Cards]] page, I noticed that the locations of the catch cards are not listed whatsoever. I found this rather...disappointing. So here's what I propose: Add an additional brief description as to the location of each catch card. This would include city (i.e. [[Lineland]]), if one must flip or enter a pipe to reach the card, and perhaps the chapter in which it is located to the [[List of Catch Cards]] article. | ||
I'd also like to note that I do not know the locations of really any catch cards, so I will need help from some other, more experienced ''Super Paper Mario'' players. Thanks in advance for whoever helps. | I'd also like to note that I do not know the locations of really any catch cards, so I will need help from some other, more experienced ''Super Paper Mario'' players. Thanks in advance for whoever helps. | ||
'''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}} | '''Proposer''': {{User|Stooben Rooben}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline''': August 14, 2008, 17:00 EDT | |||
'''Deadline''': August 14, 2008, 17:00 | |||
====Support==== | ====Support==== | ||
# {{User|Stooben Rooben}} - I am the proposer, thus my reasons are stated above. | #{{User|Stooben Rooben}} - I am the proposer, thus my reasons are stated above. | ||
#{{User|Dom}} - This might sound biased because I'm a huge fan of Stooben - but I like this idea - I mean, why ''aren't'' the locations there? Although, it could get a bit repetitive since many cards are obtained by using a Catch Card or Catch Card SP on the enemy...so, hmm. Nah, it doesn't matter... | #{{User|Dom}} - This might sound biased because I'm a huge fan of Stooben - but I like this idea - I mean, why ''aren't'' the locations there? Although, it could get a bit repetitive since many cards are obtained by using a Catch Card or Catch Card SP on the enemy...so, hmm. Nah, it doesn't matter... | ||
#{{User|Luigi001}} Per all. | #{{User|Luigi001}} Per all. | ||