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{{Main Page Talk}}
{{Main Page Talk}}
==Quote of the Moment==
I don't know who it is, but there's a guy who always repeats three times the name of the guy who says it and the game he is from. Just wanted to prevent it from happening.
{{User|Supermariofan14}}


==Instruction Manuals==
==Instruction Manuals==
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== Copier ==
== Copier ==
Recently, our logo has been copied by [http://it.mario.wikia.com/wiki/Pagina_principale another Mario Wiki] on Wikia. Is someone fluent in Italian and please tell them to change their logo? {{User:Yoshikart/sig}}
Recently, our logo has been copied by [http://it.mario.wikia.com/wiki/Pagina_principale another Mario Wiki] on Wikia. Is someone fluent in Italian and please tell them to change their logo? {{User:Yoshikart/sig}}


Ahhh!!! And the Main page too. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
Ahhh!!! And the Main page too. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}


Yeah...It's like our wiki in Italian...Like that would be cool if it was a part of our wiki but yeah...they did copy us! I wonder if Steve will say anything....with his amazing Italian knowledge (hahah) [[Image:Hammer Bro. SSBB Art.jpg|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[Image:WormGuy.PNG|30px]] 20:02, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Yeah...It's like our wiki in Italian...Like that would be cool if it was a part of our wiki but yeah...they did copy us! I wonder if Steve will say anything....with his amazing Italian knowledge (hahah) [[File:Hammer Bro Brawl artwork.png|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[File:MP8 MCBallyhoo and Big Top Artwork.png|30px]] 20:02, 27 November 2008 (EST)


He knows Italian!?!?! But they stole the logo without permission. What can we do? {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 20:05, 27 November 2008 (EST)
He knows Italian!?!?! But they stole the logo without permission. What can we do? {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 20:05, 27 November 2008 (EST)
:They're using our stuff that's copyrighted, I think Steve should decide what to do {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig|SUE THEM! :O jk :P}}
:They're using our stuff that's copyrighted, I think Steve should decide what to do {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig|SUE THEM! :O jk :P}}


::No Steve doesnt know italian...i don't think. I was just kiddin around. But this mario wiki in italian is seperate from the other mario wiki from wikia right? [[Image:Hammer Bro. SSBB Art.jpg|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[Image:WormGuy.PNG|30px]] 20:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)
::No Steve doesnt know italian...i don't think. I was just kiddin around. But this mario wiki in italian is seperate from the other mario wiki from wikia right? [[File:Hammer Bro Brawl artwork.png|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[File:MP8 MCBallyhoo and Big Top Artwork.png|30px]] 20:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)


Oh. Well I think this Mario Wiki is only in english. (Some one post a proposal to make a spanish wiki and it failed. So I'm asuming from that this Mario Wiki is only in english.) {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
Oh. Well I think this Mario Wiki is only in english. (Some one post a proposal to make a spanish wiki and it failed. So I'm asuming from that this Mario Wiki is only in english.) {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
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Try using [http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en# this] {{User:Dark Lakitu 789/sig}}I only know a few words in Italian.
Try using [http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en# this] {{User:Dark Lakitu 789/sig}}I only know a few words in Italian.


:: Grapes- I ment there is also another mario wiki from wikia...it is in english but is very small. I was just wondering if thre was any relationship with the two. [[Image:Hammer Bro. SSBB Art.jpg|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[Image:WormGuy.PNG|30px]]
:: Grapes- I ment there is also another mario wiki from wikia...it is in english but is very small. I was just wondering if thre was any relationship with the two. [[File:Hammer Bro Brawl artwork.png|30px]][[User:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=green>MC</font color>]][[User Talk:MC Hammer Bro.|<font color=orange>Hammer</font color>]][[Special:EditCount?target=MC Hammer Bro.&doeditcount=Show+count|<font color=green>Bro.</font color>]][[File:MP8 MCBallyhoo and Big Top Artwork.png|30px]]


Oh. Any ways I sent a message on the main page on Mario Wikia Italian one. Thanks DL 789 for the translation thing! -_^ {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
Oh. Any ways I sent a message on the main page on Mario Wikia Italian one. Thanks DL 789 for the translation thing! -_^ {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
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== Logo ==
== Logo ==
 
Mario Italiano really doesn't concern me right now. However, this has raised the subject of the wiki logo (thank you Italy). I'm up for changing our logo to [[:File:LOGOMARWIK2.png|this one]] uploaded by {{user|Arend}} if he and the community are on board with it. To be honest, our current logo has lasted way longer than it ever should have. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:18, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Mario Italiano really doesn't concern me right now. However, this has raised the subject of the wiki logo (thank you Italy). I'm up for changing our logo to [[:Image:LOGOMARWIK2.png|this one]] uploaded by {{user|Arend}} if he and the community are on board with it. To be honest, our current logo has lasted way longer than it ever should have. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 23:18, 27 November 2008 (EST)


Per Steve.  So far the current logo has been there for about three years right, so it kinda out of dated. So should we have a vote on this? {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
Per Steve.  So far the current logo has been there for about three years right, so it kinda out of dated. So should we have a vote on this? {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
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::This is the second time in the last five minutes I'm going to have to say, per Son of Suns.  It would make our job a heck of a lot easier.  That being said, we also cover the history of the Mario series.  And THAT being said, I feel that our references pages go way more in depth than necessary.  Yes, cultural impact should be noted, but we have more than enough examples from uber-mainstream sources such as prime time television (the Simpsons, Futurama, etc.), other video games, notable websites (Homestar Runner) and movies that we should never have to list random nods such as the one I mentioned above (Spaceballs TV show's parody of Yoshi and Peach).  In short, I'd emphasize the importance that references have on showing cultural impact, but also say that, in the event that a very minor, yet slightly mainstream, source (again, my example) popped up, we wouldn't need to list it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)
::This is the second time in the last five minutes I'm going to have to say, per Son of Suns.  It would make our job a heck of a lot easier.  That being said, we also cover the history of the Mario series.  And THAT being said, I feel that our references pages go way more in depth than necessary.  Yes, cultural impact should be noted, but we have more than enough examples from uber-mainstream sources such as prime time television (the Simpsons, Futurama, etc.), other video games, notable websites (Homestar Runner) and movies that we should never have to list random nods such as the one I mentioned above (Spaceballs TV show's parody of Yoshi and Peach).  In short, I'd emphasize the importance that references have on showing cultural impact, but also say that, in the event that a very minor, yet slightly mainstream, source (again, my example) popped up, we wouldn't need to list it. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)


:::That being said (haha) perhaps it would be best to merge major cultural references (what constitutes a "major reference" will of course have to be determined by the community) into the [[Mario (series)]] page.  That page is about the entire series generally, including its history, especially as it intersects with other areas of culture (such as the Universal vs. Nintendo copyright case).  The Mario series article could have a section about the series' impact on the rest of popular culture. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:::That being said (haha) perhaps it would be best to merge major cultural references (what constitutes a "major reference" will of course have to be determined by the community) into the [[Super Mario (franchise)]] page.  That page is about the entire series generally, including its history, especially as it intersects with other areas of culture (such as the Universal vs. Nintendo copyright case).  The Mario series article could have a section about the series' impact on the rest of popular culture. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
::::Yeah, I definitely think that by relying on games to tell a series' history, we're missing the greater story.  I think we should take the work Rooben is doing on Mario (series) right now and add a history section to it which includes the court case and popular culture impact - of course, we could site sources like crazy for the latter bit, and that would take away from the community issues. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:32, 3 December 2008 (EST)
::::Yeah, I definitely think that by relying on games to tell a series' history, we're missing the greater story.  I think we should take the work Rooben is doing on Mario (series) right now and add a history section to it which includes the court case and popular culture impact - of course, we could site sources like crazy for the latter bit, and that would take away from the community issues. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:32, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:::::I'd have no problem with that. There could be a section right below "Critical Reception" called "Cultural Impact". I think that not only would that solve our massive effort on the references pages, but it would also make that article fuller. I'm all for that. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 01:01, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:::::I'd have no problem with that. There could be a section right below "Critical Reception" called "Cultural Impact". I think that not only would that solve our massive effort on the references pages, but it would also make that article fuller. I'm all for that. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 01:01, 3 December 2008 (EST)


What about SSX on Tour, in the Japanese version it different from the USA SSX on Tour. In the japanese version, Princess Peach wore some thing that young kids shouldn't see. (I not going to say it. O_o) Is that like hentais or something. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 15:34, 6 December 2008 (EST)
What about SSX on Tour, in the Japanese version it different from the USA SSX on Tour. In the japanese version, Princess Peach wore some thing that young kids shouldn't see. (I not going to say it. O_o) Is that like hentais or something. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 15:34, 6 December 2008 (EST)
[[Image:SSXpeach.jpg|thumb|right|What version is this?]]
[[File:SSXpeach.jpg|thumb|What version is this?]]
:No, that's because in Japan that's normal, not Taboo. {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|What was it?}}
:No, that's because in Japan that's normal, not Taboo. {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|What was it?}}
::She wore something that was removed in the USA version of the game because the was contant was too strong or something.  (Seriouly I not gonna say what she wear.O_o) {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 16:12, 6 December 2008 (EST)
::She wore something that was removed in the USA version of the game because the was contant was too strong or something.  (Seriouly I not gonna say what she wear.O_o) {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}} 16:12, 6 December 2008 (EST)
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Personally, I feel that the various commercially released hentias deserve a mention. Unofficial as they are, they exemplify the Mario's otherwise intangible fandom. I see it as a kind of evolution that all fandoms eventually go through, one that Mario has yet to fully to through.
Personally, I feel that the various commercially released hentias deserve a mention. Unofficial as they are, they exemplify the Mario's otherwise intangible fandom. I see it as a kind of evolution that all fandoms eventually go through, one that Mario has yet to fully to through.


/soapbox -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 19:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)
/soapbox -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 19:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)


:Based on an earlier part of this discussion, the plan seems to be to keep articles to official material only, which means eliminating all the "references" style pages.  However, on the [[Mario (series)]] page we have created a section on the series "Cultural Impact" where we can place major appropiations of Mario by the rest of popular culture.  If the wiki agrees to it, the hentai information can be mentioned in that section, as popular culture is made up of both "official" producers of culture and consumers who produce their own cultural commodities. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:Based on an earlier part of this discussion, the plan seems to be to keep articles to official material only, which means eliminating all the "references" style pages.  However, on the [[Super Mario (franchise)]] page we have created a section on the series "Cultural Impact" where we can place major appropiations of Mario by the rest of popular culture.  If the wiki agrees to it, the hentai information can be mentioned in that section, as popular culture is made up of both "official" producers of culture and consumers who produce their own cultural commodities. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:As long as we only put no links of any kind, I'm OK with it. {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|And no mentioning it for more than 2 times in a paragraph}}
:As long as we only put no links of any kind, I'm OK with it. {{User:Nerdy Guy/sig|And no mentioning it for more than 2 times in a paragraph}}
::So, just to clarify, for an unofficial source to have inclusion it must (1) display the extent of the SMB series, ie, show how far it has reached or (2) have played a significant role in the fandom of the series or (3) obviously and knowingly (no speculation) effected the central series. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
::So, just to clarify, for an unofficial source to have inclusion it must (1) display the extent of the SMB series, ie, show how far it has reached or (2) have played a significant role in the fandom of the series or (3) obviously and knowingly (no speculation) effected the central series. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
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== Can I use the old wiki logo? ==
== Can I use the old wiki logo? ==
Hello to all!
Hello to all!
On the italian Mario Wiki(http://it.mario.wikia.com/wiki/Pagina_principale), the logo is the old one of this wiki, and somebody told me that: so I'm asking you: can I use it (giving credits)? If not, I'll remove it. Thanks for the attention :). --[[User:Enderjin|Enderjin]] 08:49, 6 December 2008 (EST)
On the italian Mario Wiki(http://it.mario.wikia.com/wiki/Pagina_principale), the logo is the old one of this wiki, and somebody told me that: so I'm asking you: can I use it (giving credits)? If not, I'll remove it. Thanks for the attention :). --[[User:Enderjin|Enderjin]] 08:49, 6 December 2008 (EST)
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== Japanese to English Translation ==
== Japanese to English Translation ==
For anyone who knows Japanese, I was wondering what is being said at the very beginning of "[[Super Mario Issunboshi]]."  I just want to know how close it is to the original "Issunboshi" tale, where the elderly mother ([[Mama Mario]] in this case) wishes for a child, even if he is just one inch tall, and her wish is granted.  Any additional translation, including quotes, etc. would be appreciated, but not necessary: I just need to know if there is more information regarding Mama Mario's appearance in "Issunboshi" that I haven't yet added to her article... so it'd be nice to know if there are any more references to her other than the one where Mario asks her to let him explore the world (if that in fact is what she does).  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkDB76X5laM Here is a YouTube video of Issunboshi].  Thanks so much in advance! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:00, 7 December 2008 (EST)
For anyone who knows Japanese, I was wondering what is being said at the very beginning of "[[Super Mario Issunboshi]]."  I just want to know how close it is to the original "Issunboshi" tale, where the elderly mother ([[Mama Mario]] in this case) wishes for a child, even if he is just one inch tall, and her wish is granted.  Any additional translation, including quotes, etc. would be appreciated, but not necessary: I just need to know if there is more information regarding Mama Mario's appearance in "Issunboshi" that I haven't yet added to her article... so it'd be nice to know if there are any more references to her other than the one where Mario asks her to let him explore the world (if that in fact is what she does).  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkDB76X5laM Here is a YouTube video of Issunboshi].  Thanks so much in advance! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:00, 7 December 2008 (EST)
:I know a few people (non-members) who are fluent in Japanese. If no one around here does it, I'll see about getting one of them to take look. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 15:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)
:I know a few people (non-members) who are fluent in Japanese. If no one around here does it, I'll see about getting one of them to take look. -- [[File:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[File:Shyghost.PNG]] 15:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)
::Thanks so much, Ghost Jam! I'd given up! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)
::Thanks so much, Ghost Jam! I'd given up! {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)


== Pyoro and Paper Plane ==
== Pyoro and Paper Plane ==
 
Two DSi titles, ''Pyoro'' and ''Paper Plane'', are currently mentioned on our front page.  The former is a game based around ''[[WarioWare (series)|WarioWare]]'' series character [[Pyoro]], but I'm not sure as to what the latter is.  Here is my question: should we cover the video game ''Pyoro''?  As you'll remember, we deemed that covering the ''Banjo-Kazooie'' and ''Conker'' series would be beyond our scope, as they were spin-offs of spin-offs and thus too far removed from the ''[[Super Mario (franchise)|Super Mario]]'' franchise.  Similarly, ''Pyoro'' is a spin-off (from ''WarioWare'') of a spin-off (from ''[[Wario (series)|Wario]]'') of a spin-off.  However, I'd like to emphasize that, in light of [[Rare]] leaving [[Nintendo]], it seems that our justification for today should be that ''Banjo'' and ''Conker'' are fully independent series (ie there are no crossovers such as ''[[Mario vs. Donkey Kong]]'' or ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' and the series are run by separate creative think tanks).  Obviously, my vote would be that, yes, we should cover ''Pyoro''.  I would like to know where the rest of the wiki stands on this, and whether or not it requires a proposal? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:26, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Two DSi titles, ''Pyoro'' and ''Paper Plane'', are currently mentioned on our front page.  The former is a game based around ''[[WarioWare (series)|WarioWare]]'' series character [[Pyoro]], but I'm not sure as to what the latter is.  Here is my question: should we cover the video game ''Pyoro''?  As you'll remember, we deemed that covering the ''Banjo-Kazooie'' and ''Conker'' series would be beyond our scope, as they were spin-offs of spin-offs and thus too far removed from the ''[[Mario (series)|Mario]]'' series.  Similarly, ''Pyoro'' is a spin-off (from ''WarioWare'') of a spin-off (from ''[[Wario (series)|Wario]]'') of a spin-off.  However, I'd like to emphasize that, in light of [[Rare]] leaving [[Nintendo]], it seems that our justification for today should be that ''Banjo'' and ''Conker'' are fully independent series (ie there are no crossovers such as ''[[Mario vs. Donkey Kong]]'' or ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]'' and the series are run by separate creative think tanks).  Obviously, my vote would be that, yes, we should cover ''Pyoro''.  I would like to know where the rest of the wiki stands on this, and whether or not it requires a proposal? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:26, 16 December 2008 (EST)


:I would say yes, and that we should have Banjo and Conker on this wiki, but only the games licensed by Nintendo, as they are as official as any other spin-off or cross-over.  There is an officially established link between Donkey Kong and Banjo/Conker (that is, those past games are still integrated into the greater Mario franchise and not fully independent), just as there is a link between Wario and Pyoro.  A remake, as we have established on [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] and [[MarioWiki:Chronology]], is not more official than the original, and thus Banjo and Conker content should be re-established here ''in some form''.  Just as we cover games like [[Hotel Mario]], published by a distinct company Phillips, we should cover Banjo and Conker, developed by Rare and ''published'' by Nintendo. Both Phillips and Rare created Mario connections as separate creative think tanks from Nintendo, but because Nintendo recognized these semi-indepedent actions as legitimate, we cover Hotel Mario, and should cover Banjo and Conker. Blitzwing said it best in a current proposal: we deem some things "official" and some not, which is "nebulously defined criteria" that is "used to exclude everything the one who used it doesn't like."  This is what has happened to Banjo and Conker content - just because Rare was sold, somehow this information is deemed no longer official, although Mario content developed by Phillips, which Nintendo authorized on a limited basis and is no longer in effect (i.e. Phillips can no longer make Mario games) is considered official here.  Doesn't make sense to me. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:I would say yes, and that we should have Banjo and Conker on this wiki, but only the games licensed by Nintendo, as they are as official as any other spin-off or cross-over.  There is an officially established link between Donkey Kong and Banjo/Conker (that is, those past games are still integrated into the greater Mario franchise and not fully independent), just as there is a link between Wario and Pyoro.  A remake, as we have established on [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]] and [[MarioWiki:Chronology]], is not more official than the original, and thus Banjo and Conker content should be re-established here ''in some form''.  Just as we cover games like [[Hotel Mario]], published by a distinct company Phillips, we should cover Banjo and Conker, developed by Rare and ''published'' by Nintendo. Both Phillips and Rare created Mario connections as separate creative think tanks from Nintendo, but because Nintendo recognized these semi-indepedent actions as legitimate, we cover Hotel Mario, and should cover Banjo and Conker. Blitzwing said it best in a current proposal: we deem some things "official" and some not, which is "nebulously defined criteria" that is "used to exclude everything the one who used it doesn't like."  This is what has happened to Banjo and Conker content - just because Rare was sold, somehow this information is deemed no longer official, although Mario content developed by Phillips, which Nintendo authorized on a limited basis and is no longer in effect (i.e. Phillips can no longer make Mario games) is considered official here.  Doesn't make sense to me. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
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== This doesn't look very good ==
== This doesn't look very good ==
Look this http://antimw.wikispaces.com/ =/
Look this http://antimw.wikispaces.com/ =/
{{Unsigned|Eragon}}
{{Unsigned|Eragon}}
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== How many box arts should we show? ==
== How many box arts should we show? ==
By this comment I'd like to draw some attention to my currently unanswered topic on the [[Talk:New Super Mario Bros.|New Super Mario Bros. talk page]]:
By this comment I'd like to draw some attention to my currently unanswered topic on the [[Talk:New Super Mario Bros.|New Super Mario Bros. talk page]]:


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== The Forum ==
== The Forum ==
I bring this here because there is no point in saying it anywhere else right now. The forum needs new global moderators, and it needs them right now. I know people are going to say "We're discussing it in the sysop only board" or "I talked to steve about it on AIM" or something like that, but right now and for the past few days there's been a spammer coming here every day, he's been blocked and he always manages to come back. When ChaosNinji is around, he usually bans him, but he's around a lot more often than ChaosNinji, and earlier ChaosNinji was online while he was spamming, and did nothing(maybe he wasn't online, but that would be because the "who's online" thing shows people who where online as long as 15 minutes after they left).
I bring this here because there is no point in saying it anywhere else right now. The forum needs new global moderators, and it needs them right now. I know people are going to say "We're discussing it in the sysop only board" or "I talked to steve about it on AIM" or something like that, but right now and for the past few days there's been a spammer coming here every day, he's been blocked and he always manages to come back. When ChaosNinji is around, he usually bans him, but he's around a lot more often than ChaosNinji, and earlier ChaosNinji was online while he was spamming, and did nothing(maybe he wasn't online, but that would be because the "who's online" thing shows people who where online as long as 15 minutes after they left).


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== It's Over 9000 Articles ==
== It's Over 9000 Articles ==
Let's a get to 10000 ASAP :) {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Let's a get to 10000 ASAP :) {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2009 (EST)
:lol, congrats Lb2! {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
:lol, congrats Lb2! {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}


OVER 9,000!! Wo0t. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
OVER 9,000!! Wo0t. {{User:Princess Grapes Butterfly/sig}}
'''TAKE THAT''' Mario Wikia! {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}
Lolz. BTW speaking of Mario Wikia they only have 495 articles. <small> I doubt they ever reach 9,000</small> {{User:Grapes/sig|ha, in your face (I'm jokeing srsly).}}
That's not funny. We don't insult you people.. why make fun of us? - CC
:because some of the users there think they are superior to us. {{User:ToadetteAnime4evur/sig}}
::Uh.. no. We just don't like getting vandalized ( I Know its not you guys). Some people maybe, but it doesn't mean its right. - CC
:::...and plus the fact that almost every user here hates Wikia. {{User:ToadetteAnime4evur/sig}}
::::I was joking around. :P (I even put joke on my sig.) I don't hate wikia or anything. BTW Not everyone in MarioWiki hates MarioWikia. It just that some user got upset since some user copied stuff from MarioWiki and post it on MarioWikia. But that was in the past. I was joking a around. I don't know if Blitz was joking too. Well I sorry if it seem kinda of offending but, I don't really mean it. {{User:Grapes/sig|-_q}}
:::Its okay. But if it looks like you people encourage MarioWikia hate (even if you were joking) it might encourage vandals. As for the copied articles, Im pretty sure they are all gone.. or will be by the end of the week. Yokudekimashita BTW
This isn't a competition.  It's about archiving as much Mario information as possible for others to read, regardless if it is here or on Mario Wikia. While 9000 articles is an accomplishment, we must remember that many of our articles are stubs, are incomplete, or are just of low quality.  We still have a lot to do. -- {{User|Son of Suns}} P.S. Copied articles are perfectly fine as long as a link is provided to the original source.  If MarioWikia has an article we would like, we could copy it here and provide attribution to the original source. =D
==Toys and Merchandise Information in Character articles==
It has come to my attention that the things that can be found in [[Toys]] and other similar pages should be covered a bit more. If a toy/merchandise happen to represent a specific character, we could put it under a blanket "Merchandise" heading in the character article and describe what it does.
Or, we could continue to neglect the real-world stuff like we alway do. Not that I would be surprised if that's what actually happen. <.< --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 15:43, 4 January 2009 (EST)
:Sounds like a good idea to me. It would expand the article, and make it look better IMO. So per Blitz. {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}
::I have Mario Uno! :3 but yeah, I agree, there should be more coverage. It's like the wiki is split between games and merchandise. There's really no crossover whatsoever, and seeing some would be nice. {{User:Bloc Partier/sig}}
:::I think those articles should be split into separate articles (e.g. by toy series). I see nothing what speaks against a coverage of merchandise with individual articles, even if there is usually no "story-line" involved, but they are officially licensed products, like cartoons and comics. Anyway, the articles can't stay in their current form. Only look at [[Figurines]], the pure mess. A bunch of images with very little to no information on the manufacturers, release dates, material, regions where they were released and so on. Just photos with partly biased comments ("cute figurine" or "Hang ten, man!"). That needs to be changed. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::::"I see nothing what speaks against a coverage of merchandis".
When I threw out the idea on the Sysop board, some disagreed. I agree than the Merchandise articles are an horrible mess, but I own none of these things, so yeah... --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 10:11, 5 January 2009 (EST)
:I would like to know what was the point of disagreement. Actually, several things already got own articles ages ago, e.g. [[Marshmallow Jelly Pop]], [[NSMB Stylus Pens]] and [[Super Mario 3D Gummy Candies]], and nobody complained. Looks thousand times better than that horrible mess. Whatever will be, the current articles just can't stay in their form. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 11:06, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::"Too Minor" was the reason given. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 11:58, 5 January 2009 (EST)
:::And those overcrowded pages should stay? I'd support separate articles, it's official merchandise, after all. Well, maybe ''not'' articles on all shirts, cups, socks, briefs and other stuff where Mario is ''just printed on''. But figurine, plushie, PEZ and other collections, more special food (e.g. candies formed like Mario), toys, electronic toys, "palpable" games and so on deserve articles in my opinion. Anyway, there really needs to be consensus on this very issue. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:11, 5 January 2009 (EST)