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==New rule== | ==New rule== | ||
Yoshario: I think abreviations are good because they make titles shorter. However, in the article the full name must be used {{User:Tucayo/sig|Whadaya think?}} | Yoshario: I think abreviations are good because they make titles shorter. However, in the article the full name must be used {{User:Tucayo/sig|Whadaya think?}} | ||
:This was agreed on by sysops. I don't see a problem with making an article title longer, you could just make a redirect with a shorter title. If you want to, you can make a proposal to remove this rule. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[ | :This was agreed on by sysops. I don't see a problem with making an article title longer, you could just make a redirect with a shorter title. If you want to, you can make a proposal to remove this rule. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User talk:Yoshario|Y]]'''oshario'''</font></span>[[File:Yoshi Mario Hat SM64DS.png|30px]] | ||
::Making a redirect sounds better, no need to make a proposal :) {{User:Tucayo/sig|Thanks :)}} | ::Making a redirect sounds better, no need to make a proposal :) {{User:Tucayo/sig|Thanks :)}} | ||
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== Adding rules on the proper regional difference terminology == | == Adding rules on the proper regional difference terminology == | ||
I made some of the minor changes over on the Glossary, but I honestly think that there should be mention of what terminology to use here on the Manual of Style. Recently, some users used the "PAL" terminology on both [[List of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U quotes]] and [[Boo's Favorite Haunt]], to name a few examples...'''which contained content related to either or both a 3DS and/or Wii U game''', which don't use any analog connections. It might be obvious that these users didn't know about that extra rule in mind as they made those edits, but still. What do you guys think? Should there be a section on any of the official rules stating what terminology to use or should it just be relegated to the glossary like it is now? – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 00:10, July 7, 2019 (EDT) | I made some of the minor changes over on the Glossary, but I honestly think that there should be mention of what terminology to use here on the Manual of Style. Recently, some users used the "PAL" terminology on both [[List of Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U quotes]] and [[Boo's Favorite Haunt]], to name a few examples...'''which contained content related to either or both a 3DS and/or Wii U game''', which don't use any analog connections. It might be obvious that these users didn't know about that extra rule in mind as they made those edits, but still. What do you guys think? Should there be a section on any of the official rules stating what terminology to use or should it just be relegated to the glossary like it is now? – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 00:10, July 7, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Still waiting for a response... – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 15:08, July 25, 2019 (EDT) | :Still waiting for a response... – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 15:08, July 25, 2019 (EDT) | ||
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==Stubs== | ==Stubs== | ||
I know we delete new stubs automatically, but what about stubs that have been that way for a long time? Those should be just as acceptable for deletion, in my opinion. If they’ve been that way for years, they should be deleted if it’s clear that nobody has expanded it yet, despite the massive timeframe. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 13:15, August 5, 2019 (EDT) | I know we delete new stubs automatically, but what about stubs that have been that way for a long time? Those should be just as acceptable for deletion, in my opinion. If they’ve been that way for years, they should be deleted if it’s clear that nobody has expanded it yet, despite the massive timeframe. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 13:15, August 5, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Can you give an example? --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 13:33, August 5, 2019 (EDT) | :Can you give an example? --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 13:33, August 5, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::The Yoshi's Story level articles are stubs, and have been that way for a while. At least one of them made it into the [[The 'Shroom:Spotlight|'Shroom Spotlight]]. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 10:58, August 6, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::Alright, so I went poking through and found a case that'd been marked as a stub since 2007. Fascinating, but I fail to see how that warrants deletion: Aside from feeling like a case of "standards marching on", I'd think doing that would miss the point of the new stub policy in the first place, which is to deter the creation of lazy red-link-filler articles. MarioWiki is a pretty big wiki at this point in time, and it stands to reason that there'll be a lot of articles to work on, and not every single editor will have the same priority on what they choose to edit OR awareness of which articles need the most improvement. Yes, it's bizarre that further expansion hasn't been made for some of these articles in the time frame. No, that is not a good reason to aim for deletion, as that would completely undo what progress was made altogether, which is ''categorically'' counterproductive - especially considering there are some cases where people misread "stub" to mean "incomplete article of any size". | |||
::In short, it feels like this would try to force attention towards stub articles, and while they could use some more focus (which is the entire point of [[MarioWiki:Maintenance]] and projects like the [[The 'Shroom:Spotlight|'Shroom Spotlight]]; see [[Miss Endless]] in particular for an article I decided to knock out as a result of the latter), deletion is just going to create more work for the sake of the ''appearance'' of completeness, at most. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 13:45, August 6, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==On NTSC/PAL== | |||
Now this may get me flamed into oblivion, but I personally think that they shouldn't have been changed. "British English" is outright misleading, because other regions in Europe speak English (and probably get English game dubs) as well. Besides, "NTSC" and "PAL" are more than just terms for encoding technologies now; they're used as common terminology for America and Europe. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 12:53, October 9, 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Agreed a thousand times over. The most accurate term would be something along the lines of "Nintendo of Europe's localisation". <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 18:42, February 24, 2020 (EST) | |||
:And it's even more misleading (not to mention borderline offensive) when it's not even remotely unique to the '''''<u>*"British"*</u>''''' English localisation (case in point: [[Wario Land: Shake It!|Wario Land: The Shake Dimension]] and [[Mario Strikers Charged|Mario Strikers Charged Football]]). <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 08:47, April 29, 2020 (EDT) | |||
I'm not sure what to change it to. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:23, August 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Wikipedia uses "Commonwealth English," which is a bit more broad. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:55, September 2, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::Disagree with sticking with NTSC and PAL. Not only is it confusing as heck for some younger wiki readers, but it's not even accurate in today's usage (what with HDMI and all-digital connections being the norm). I also disagree with using "Commonwealth English," because Nintendo of Europe handles the localizations for pretty much '''''every''''' European language, so the "non-borderline-offensive" but "not-as-inaccurate" terms "British English" and "American English" are the ones we should stick to for the foreseeable future. For more information, see my proposal on this topic [https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_53#Either_restrict_usage_of_or_don.27t_use_NTSC_or_PAL_on_articles here]. – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 23:46, September 4, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Typo == | |||
In "Describing the subject": "a person who never played the game(s)" should be "a person who ''has'' never". Not including the "has/"have" implies that something is no longer possible to do. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 06:55, May 2, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:It's not a typo, but the grammar change has been applied. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:23, August 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Categories update == | |||
The "Categories" section should be updated since the example with Dimentio is now incorrect - he's currently categorized under yet another subcategory, "Super Paper Mario Bosses". --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:06, August 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Corrected. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 12:23, August 7, 2020 (EDT) | |||
== "Captain Obvious" debut == | |||
This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I've been removing it when I see it, but I feel starting a proposal is going overboard so I wanted to have a discussion here. Often times in history sections, it will state that a particular game is a subject's debut in that series. I feel this is unnecessary since it's already made fairly obvious by the fact that we don't mention any earlier games in that series in their history sections anyway, and that it should be discouraged (along with "after a long/X year absence", but that's probably a separate discussion). --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 13:08, August 26, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:It also bothers me, though worth noting is that generally writing acts independently from headers (hence why we mention titles in the game sections' writing instead of just linking through the header). That being said, the "previous games not mentioned" thing is still valid, though I feel it's simply a way to quickly link to the series page, if a little forced. Granted, I also dislike "forced"-looking links, like linking the words "character/enemy/item/etc" to a respective list thereof, though that is yet another discussion. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:45, August 26, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::If you're referring to stuff like "this enemy makes its ''Paper Mario'' series debut in this game" that is on quite a lot of articles, then I agree. It has always looked a bit stupid to me. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}} | |||
:::I don't really mind them, personally, as it can help clarify to people the character didn't appear in the series before this point and we just don't have it covered or something. It's helped me on a few occasions, when anons tried to add a game before a character's actual debut when I wouldn't know any better. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:15, August 26, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::::What I don't like is "Trash Can appears in the [console] game ''Mario Does Tax Returns''" where the words "[console]" and "game" are unnecessary bloat. I'd also trim away sections that begin with "Trash Can reappears" and variants of it, it's repetitive and it's already apparent in the article that Trash Can appears a lot in the Mario series. You have to link game names though, since they're the only way to link to the games they appear in, so some repetitive writing is necessary for the sake of functionality. Oh and I also agree that we need to get rid of statements like "years of absence" and yeah, get rid of "debut" as well, it's pretty evident with the context laying around. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 17:30, February 15, 2021 (EST) | |||
== Empty sections == | |||
On the Manual, there's a link to "beta elements" within the "Empty sections" ...section. However, we don't use that terminology anymore to refer to earlier versions of a game before it comes out. The terminology we use now is "Pre-release and unused content." Could someone change that bit to reflect our current policy? – [[User:Owencrazyboy9|Owencrazyboy9]] ([[User talk:Owencrazyboy9|talk]]) 10:57, September 24, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:I changed it, thank you for pointing that out. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 11:03, September 24, 2020 (EDT) | |||
==Typo== | |||
"''In our example article, we have one detail: the game Super Mario Bros.'' '''''is is''''' ''one of many articles on the wiki.''" | |||
Just pointing this out, it's in the "describing the subject" section. [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 14:39, January 3, 2022 (EST) | |||
== "When doing..." vs. "When so-and-so does..." == | |||
I've noticed a lot of edits (such as [[Special:Diff/3544455|this one]] and [[Special:Diff/3545220|this one]]) that change "When doing such-and-such" wording to "When so-and-so does such-and-such". However, I was not under the impression that "When doing..." is wrong in any way. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 19:30, January 22, 2022 (EST) | |||
:I think you should ask the user who made these edits. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:39, January 22, 2022 (EST) | |||
== Courier New font == | |||
Should we avoid using the Courier New font for wikicode on this page? That font looks too thin on today's hi-res screens. --[[User:Dine2017|Dine2017]] ([[User talk:Dine2017|talk]]) 10:27, July 23, 2022 (EDT) | |||
:It does look thin but I think it's still legible. I can change it to the <nowiki><tt></tt></nowiki> code to match it with the editor text font if that's more preferable. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:29, July 25, 2022 (EDT) | |||