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in New Super Mario Bros., ther are giant cheep-cheeps that may be same. I move that check this and confirm, or deny, this fact. | in New Super Mario Bros., ther are giant cheep-cheeps that may be same. I move that check this and confirm, or deny, this fact. | ||
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== Merge Big Bertha with Boss Bass and/or Merge Baby Cheep with Big Bertha == | == Merge Big Bertha with Boss Bass and/or Merge Baby Cheep with Big Bertha == | ||
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{{ | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|1-12-0-1|just merge Big Bertha with Boss Bass}} | ||
There have been [[Talk:Boss Bass|attempts]] to merge Big Bertha with Boss Bass given their identical appearance and Japanese names, but I thought this {{media link|BossBass SMB3.jpg|artwork}} necessitated another look. It shows the fish trying to eat Mario, so it must be a Boss Bass - but it shows a Baby Cheep with it, so it must be a Big Bertha. What this hybrid shows is that the lines were blurred even back then (the art appears to have even been made by Nintendo Power). Additionally, in ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' (which again just has one entry for the giant Cheep Cheep and only briefly mentions that there is an underwater version), there is no name for Baby Cheep. Since Baby Cheep is inextricably tied to Big Bertha and is more like a short-range projectile than its own enemy, it doesn't make sense for them to remain as separate articles. The Nintendo Comics System's Bertha might be split as a character article if one of the Boss Bass options passes. | There have been [[Talk:Boss Bass|attempts]] to merge Big Bertha with Boss Bass given their identical appearance and Japanese names, but I thought this {{media link|BossBass SMB3.jpg|artwork}} necessitated another look. It shows the fish trying to eat Mario, so it must be a Boss Bass - but it shows a Baby Cheep with it, so it must be a Big Bertha. What this hybrid shows is that the lines were blurred even back then (the art appears to have even been made by Nintendo Power). Additionally, in ''Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros.'' (which again just has one entry for the giant Cheep Cheep and only briefly mentions that there is an underwater version), there is no name for Baby Cheep. Since Baby Cheep is inextricably tied to Big Bertha and is more like a short-range projectile than its own enemy, it doesn't make sense for them to remain as separate articles. The Nintendo Comics System's Bertha might be split as a character article if one of the Boss Bass options passes. | ||
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#{{User|Mister Wu}} Big Bertha and Boss Bass were considered to be the same enemy in the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Super Mario Advance 4'' and they continue being considered the same enemy in recent sources. As for the small fishes, they are mentioned in the guidebook, I'll post both description in the comments. | #{{User|Mister Wu}} Big Bertha and Boss Bass were considered to be the same enemy in the Nintendo Official Guidebook of ''Super Mario Advance 4'' and they continue being considered the same enemy in recent sources. As for the small fishes, they are mentioned in the guidebook, I'll post both description in the comments. | ||
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. | #{{User|bwburke94}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|GrainedCargo192}} Par all. | |||
===Merge Baby Cheep with Big Bertha=== | ===Merge Baby Cheep with Big Bertha=== | ||
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::::We report the English names used back then in the relevant pages, so we'll just use <code><nowiki>[[Boss Bass|Big Bertha]]</nowiki></code> links. If we cite the guides of the time and use links, we'll do the same.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:53, 28 November 2018 (EST) | ::::We report the English names used back then in the relevant pages, so we'll just use <code><nowiki>[[Boss Bass|Big Bertha]]</nowiki></code> links. If we cite the guides of the time and use links, we'll do the same.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:53, 28 November 2018 (EST) | ||
::There were attempts to merge them, but they opposed due to the behavior. I don't even know why they voted oppose because of the behavioral difference. It's more like Koopas. I wonder why were these two articles split in the first place. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 00:50, 30 November 2018 (EST) | ::There were attempts to merge them, but they opposed due to the behavior. I don't even know why they voted oppose because of the behavioral difference. It's more like Koopas. I wonder why were these two articles split in the first place. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 00:50, 30 November 2018 (EST) | ||
:::Because policies have gone all over the place over time, and additionally, it wasn't always known that the Japanese names were the same. Additionally, it was considered more important to go with some sort of "English name canon" back then instead of initial creator's intent. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:16, 30 November 2018 (EST) | :::Because policies have gone all over the place over time, and additionally, it wasn't always known that the Japanese names were the same. Additionally, it was considered more important to go with some sort of "English name canon" back then instead of initial creator's intent. Though I suppose that factors into my first point. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 02:16, 30 November 2018 (EST) | ||
::Oh! For Seedy Sally and Short Fuse, these were names exclusive to the SNES Player Guide, they didn't appear in an official source afterwards. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:52, 1 December 2018 (EST) | |||
:::Exactly. Same for the more tenuous case of the Submarine Nep-Enut. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:41, 1 December 2018 (EST) | |||
::So, for Yoshi Touch and Go page, the Yoshi's New Island section, and Yoshi Woolly World section, why are we still calling them like that? I kinda feel Seedy Sally and Short Fuse are forgotten names and that Nintendo of America doesn't remember about it. And, in Yoshi's Woolly World, were they throwing [[Pokey Pom]] instead of [[Needlenoses]]? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:33, 1 December 2018 (EST) | |||
:::This really isn't the place to talk about that. I will, however, note that while the image for Seedy Sally in the book indicates it's the Needlenose-tosser, the textual description seems a bit more apt to describe the ones that eat watermelons, which their name also reflects better. I'm saying it's additionally vague. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 06:31, 1 December 2018 (EST) | |||
::I wanted to propose it first, but since LinkTheLefty has done it, it's not a big problem after all. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 04:47, 2 December 2018 (EST) | |||