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==Rename Warp Whistle to Recorder or Magic Whistle== | ==Rename Warp Whistle to Recorder or Magic Whistle== | ||
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There is a discussion above about this, but to reiterate, the term Warp Whistle only seems to have had official use in the ''Super Mario All-Stars'' guide, whereas all ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' instruction booklets - including the one that came with ''Super Mario All-Stars'' and the standalone NES version guide - refer to it as Magic Whistle. However, the item shows up again in ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' under the name Recorder, first as its sprite form before being converted into a card, and is also referred to as such in the digital manual's developer's notes. Incidentally, the name is actually a direct reference to the item's original appearance as one of the | {{ProposalOutcome|passed|11-1-3|rename to recorder}} | ||
There is a discussion above about this, but to reiterate, the term Warp Whistle only seems to have had official use in the ''Super Mario All-Stars'' guide, whereas all ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' instruction booklets - including the one that came with ''Super Mario All-Stars'' and the standalone NES version guide - refer to it as Magic Whistle, as does the princess' sixth letter in the game. However, the item shows up again in ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'' under the name Recorder, first as its sprite form before being converted into a card, and is also referred to as such in the digital manual's developer's notes. Incidentally, the name is actually a direct reference to the item's original appearance as one of the usable treasures shown in the [http://legendsoflocalization.com/the-legend-of-zelda/items/#whistle-while-you-work opening demo] of ''The Legend of Zelda''. | |||
To summarize: | To summarize: | ||
'''Recorder''' - This is simultaneously the original and latest | '''Recorder''' - This is simultaneously the original and latest in-game name, and in strict accordance with [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable_sources_for_naming|policy]], should be the one used as the article title. | ||
'''Magic Whistle''' - This name came from the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' instruction booklets, so it theoretically should be the name most associated with the ''Mario'' series, and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Naming_an_article|policy]] does mention "most commonly used English name" to consider. | '''Magic Whistle''' - This name came from the ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' instruction booklets, so it theoretically should be the name most associated with the ''Mario'' series, and [[MarioWiki:Naming#Naming_an_article|policy]] does mention "most commonly used English name" to consider. | ||
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#{{User|SmokedChili}} Per all. | #{{User|SmokedChili}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Look we can't let nostalgia overcome our own policies. If this is the name used in the vast majority of situations then that's what we should use. | #{{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} Look we can't let nostalgia overcome our own policies. If this is the name used in the vast majority of situations then that's what we should use. | ||
#{{User|Baby Luigi}} Most recent name gets priority, end of story. | |||
#{{User|7feetunder}} Most recent in-game name with the bonus of also being the original name. Even though "Magic Whistle" ''did'' actually appear in one of Peach's letters in ''SMB3'', #1. it isn't the most recent name, and #2. ''SMB3'''s translation was obviously phoned-in anyway ([[Goomba's Shoe|Kuribo's Shoe]], [[Lakitu's Cloud|Jugem's Cloud]], [[Dark Land|Castle of Koopa]]). | |||
#{{User|Skuchi037}} Most recent name, end of story. This was why the article on Atomic Boos was called [[Big Boo (Paper Mario series)]] and not Atomic Boo, like it probably should have been. Per all. | |||
===Rename to Magic Whistle=== | ===Rename to Magic Whistle=== | ||
#{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} While the sprite is reused in ''Color Splash'', the function is not. | #{{User|Ultimate Mr. L}} While the sprite is reused in ''Color Splash'', the function is not. | ||
** ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' - The item warps Mario/Luigi to the [[Warp Zone (Super Mario Bros. 3)|Warp Zone]], allowing them to choose from a selection of worlds to travel to. | ** ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' - The item warps Mario/Luigi to the [[Warp Zone (Super Mario Bros. 3)|Warp Zone]], allowing them to choose from a selection of worlds to travel to. | ||
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:I can't find an image of it here, but from what I've seen on YouTube, the Warp Whistle and Recorder look the same to me. It also appears to act as a homage to ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', the game the Warp Whistle first appeared in, by playing the same ''Zelda'' tune and ''SMB3'' melodies. The effects may be different, but it appears to be very obviously one and the same. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | :I can't find an image of it here, but from what I've seen on YouTube, the Warp Whistle and Recorder look the same to me. It also appears to act as a homage to ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', the game the Warp Whistle first appeared in, by playing the same ''Zelda'' tune and ''SMB3'' melodies. The effects may be different, but it appears to be very obviously one and the same. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
:Items changing effects happens from time to time (e.g. [[Coconut]]s in the first two ''Paper Mario'' games, several capsules/[[Orb]]s from ''Mario Party 5'', ''6'', and ''7''). That does not automatically make it a different item. Furthermore, a Recorder split is not viable unless we give other Things their own articles. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:12, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | :Items changing effects happens from time to time (e.g. [[Coconut]]s in the first two ''Paper Mario'' games, several capsules/[[Orb]]s from ''Mario Party 5'', ''6'', and ''7''). That does not automatically make it a different item. Furthermore, a Recorder split is not viable unless we give other Things their own articles. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:12, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
::In ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'', during Green Energy Plant's ''Super Mario Bros. 3''-themed course, the original item - complete with 8-bit graphics also ripped straight from the same game - can be found and squeezed into a | ::In ''Paper Mario: Color Splash'', during Green Energy Plant's ''Super Mario Bros. 3''-themed course, the original item - complete with 8-bit graphics also ripped straight from the same game - can be found and squeezed into a usable card. It literally is the same item in this case, unlike the Clone Jump sticker which depicts Kuribo's Shoe artwork but isn't directly the same. It honestly comes across as a naming correction to me since the connection to ''The Legend of Zelda'' was somewhat lost in translation back in ''Super Mario Bros. 3''. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:20, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::That is still too much speculation for me. You can't say that the 8-bit item is the Warp Whistle because there's no proof of that. {{User:Skuchi037/sig}} 16:26, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::The proof is in the references...? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 16:27, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Yes I can, and there is. They have the same design, they play the same tune, and they both summon a tornado. The only difference is the gameplay function, which as I said previously, is on its own, not valid grounds to consider it a different item. You might as well claim that the Rupees on [[Hyrule Circuit]] aren't actually Rupees, after all, when have Rupees ever made karts go faster? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:53, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Actually, YES IT CAN. If they both serve completely different functions and share speculative similarities, then they are most definitely NOT the same item. The Rupees in Hyrule Circuit are Rupees '''because Nintendo made it like that. Of course they would put Rupees in a stage confirmed to be completely based off of the Legend of Zelda franchise.''' {{User:Skuchi037/sig}} 17:03, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::Again, you see it become a card with your own eyes, and the name makes more sense given its history. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:08, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::"Of course they would put Rupees in a stage confirmed to be completely based off of the Legend of Zelda franchise." Yet an item that looks exactly like an item from ''SMB3'' from a stage completely based off of ''SMB3'' is not actually that item from ''SMB3''? Your line of logic is completely lost on me. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 17:14, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::::Oh, WHAT? ...Awww, damn it, I didn't think that. I'm sorry, you're right. {{User:Skuchi037/sig}} 17:17, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
My point still stands that it is the most iconic name. If somehow a game came out and "Monty Mole" was once again mistranslated as "Chubby," we wouldn't move it to that. "Warp Whistle" is very iconic to this item, and that still stands. I'll bring up the example of [[Mad Scienstein]] to back me up here. {{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 16:41, 21 August 2017 (CT) | |||
:No but if Chubby was the most consistent name for Monty Mole then I would support moving it over to Chubby. Like if the next 10 games started calling them Chubby should we ignore that because a name is more "iconic." Plus these aren't even the same situations because Monty Mole is the name that shows up in multiple games whereas Warp Whistle shows up in a single player's guide. {{User|Chester Alan Arthur}} | |||
::I don't buy the "iconic name" argument. I don't care how many people call the [[Spiny Shell (Mario Kart)|Spiny Shell]] from ''[[Mario Kart]]'' the "Blue Shell", we're not moving it to that unless Nintendo starts calling it that as well. While "Warp Whistle" ''does'' have a proper source, it is, according our naming hierarchy, the least relevant of this item's names, and it apparently has only been referred to as such in one player's guide, while both "Magic Whistle" and "Recorder" are both backed by in-game text. If you want an example of an official name, take Kuribo's Shoe. The mistranslation was well-known enough to get referenced in ''[[Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story]]'', but we don't call it Kuribo's Shoe. We call it [[Goomba's Shoe]], it's corrected name. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 18:09, 21 August 2017 (EDT) | |||