Talk:Elevator Key

Merge?

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Do we really need this? We already have the Elevator Key page, which is an item of the same name in the same game. We can easily merge them together by saying "The Elevator Key is the name of two items found in the game Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door." And then we'd go into each of them as usual. This would eliminate a short article and a stub by putting them in the same place. Redstar 14:29, 21 December 2009 (EST)

I think this would be useful, albeit they have the same item name and are in the same game, they don't look the same. They both serve the same purpose in both Riverside and the X-Naut base. Why not merge them? GigaMetalLuigi (talk)

Merge Elevator Key (X-Naut) with Elevator Key

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merge 3-0
They're essentially the same item. Also, look at the above discussion. We should do as Redstar says: "...easily merge them together by saying "The Elevator Key is the name of two items found in the game Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. And then we'd go into each of them as usual."

Proposer: Bloc Partier (talk)

Deadline: 20:00, 9 January 2009

Merge Elevator Key (X-Naut) with Elevator Key

1. Bloc Partier (talk) -- Per above.
2. Redstar (talk) - Per my proposal
3. GigaMetalLuigi (talk)

Comments

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Split the Elevator Keys

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These are so obviously different items that I don't think I need to detail exactly how they're different. Yes, they have the same name - should we also merge the tennis player and the golfer for having the same name? If you want to make the case that the keys aren't notable enough to deserve individual articles, there's an entire category that disagrees with you. If you want to make the point that these keys shouldn't have articles in the first place, this is not the place to do so (and take note that this has been attempted at least once before). Right now, let's make things consistent with the rest of the wiki and give these individual articles. One final point: You do not get rid of stubs by lumping a bunch of articles together. It's like trying to get rid of dust by sweeping it under a carpet; you've done nothing to actually alleviate the problem, you've only made it look like everything's fine.

(There is a case to be made for keeping the two X-Naut Fortress keys together, so that option will be presented alongside an option to split all three of them.)

Proposer: Time Turner (talk)
Deadline: August 29, 2017, 23:59 GMT

Split all three keys

1. Time Turner (talk) Per proposal.

Split the Riverside Station key and keep the X-Naut Fortress Keys together

1. Time Turner (talk) Per proposal.
2. TheFlameChomp (talk) I feel this is the best option, as the key from Riverside Station looks very different from the ones in the X-Naut Fortress, which are key cards. However, I feel the only difference between the key cards is their color.

Do nothing

1. Alex95 (talk) - The only thing I can find different is their appearances. They have the same name, game, and effect. I see no reason for a split. At least the two Harrys are completely different from each other.

Comments

Information on this article, seems like a stub on its own. _{very little} information about the keys are even here. Either way this goes, it is a stub. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

Stubs are not short articles. Stubs are articles that lack information. Articles that are small are not intrinsically bad. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:31, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

I'll put it this way for better clarification: I was wanting a little bit more info on the keys, if that was even possible. Yoshi the SSM (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

I'm not sure what other information you want to add here? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 15:36, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

I don't know either. :) Yoshi the SSM (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

@Alex: But they're different keys, clearly. Just taking the Riverside Key into account, there's an obvious visual difference between it and the other keys, mostly because the other ones are keycards. Presenting them to our readers as if they're one and the same is misleading. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:32, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

They're very obviously not one and the same, I think readers can discern that themselves easily, but at the same time, they're all keys that run an elevator. Only the appearance is different. 16:35, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

And the Random House Key and Odd Key both open doors. Should we merge them too? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:38, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

1) they have different names. 2) they are in different games. The Elevator Keys are a different case. They all have the same name and do the exact same thing. 16:42, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

Ah, so if something has the same name, appears in the same game, and acts similarly, then they should be merged, right? I'll get started merging Gritty Goomba and Gritty Goomba, then. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:45, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

Those have the same name and slightly different appearance, sure, but they behave differently. Their stats are different and their attack patterns slightly differ as well, and the Teehee Valley variant kinda has a role in the story progression (taking Peach) whereas the Gwarhar Lagoon variant does not. 16:51, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

The two Chuck Guys or Pestnuts, then, and you're going to bring up minor behavior differences, one of these keys goes into a standard padlock and the others are swiped through keycard readers. Yes, they're all just keys, and if you're going to be that vague, then the Gritty Goombas and Chuck Guys are all just enemies. Hello, I'm Time Turner. 16:54, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

I don't think I have anything more to say here. I'm keeping my vote up, because that is what I think. If the proposal ends up passing, then hey, good job! I'll support it from then onward. 16:58, 15 August 2017 (EDT)

Now that we have a break in the discussion, can I ask for your opinion on Ruins Key, which features two keys with the same name in the same article, even though they're both from different games? Hello, I'm Time Turner. 17:01, 15 August 2017 (EDT)