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Is this page really necessary? I realize we're a comprehensive guide to the ''Mario series'', but aren't minor things like this pushing it? Perhaps we could include this info on the individual character/item/stage articles, but do we need a separate list for this?--{{User|Knife}} 18:11, 3 January 2012 (EST)
Is this page really necessary? I realize we're a comprehensive guide to the ''Mario series'', but aren't minor things like this pushing it? Perhaps we could include this info on the individual character/item/stage articles, but do we need a separate list for this?--{{User|Knife}} 18:11, 3 January 2012 (EST)
:Theoretically, we'd have this info on the character or stage article lists, so it does seem redundant and unimportant; I support its deletion as well. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
:Theoretically, we'd have this info on the character or stage article lists, so it does seem redundant and unimportant; I support its deletion as well. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
::Per Bop, I support deleting it as well. {{User:Nintendo64Fan/sig}}
::Per Bop, I support deleting it as well. {{User:Nintendo64Fan/sig}}


I think it is useful to have a list of all the Notices in one spot. The more information on this wiki, the better! What if a [[player]] wanted to check this website to see if they had all the Notices? It would be a lot of extra trouble for someone to track down 50 articles, and they wouldn't even know if that was all the Notices. You can copy this information to other articles, if you want.
I think it is useful to have a list of all the Notices in one spot. The more information on this wiki, the better! What if a player wanted to check this website to see if they had all the Notices? It would be a lot of extra trouble for someone to track down 50 articles, and they wouldn't even know if that was all the Notices. You can copy this information to other articles, if you want.
--[[User:Star knight|Star knight]] 12:36, 5 January 2012 (EST)
--[[User:Star knight|Star knight]] 12:36, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:Well, let's say a reader comes here looking for the notice that appears when Character A appears. Now, they check Character A's article and finds the info there. They decide to see if there's similarities between some of them, so they check Character B's article. They find the info there, and a trend is set. They can then check all the character articles they are curious about. Basically, our navigation doesn't suffer from just having them on character or stage pages, despite the fact that yes, having them all in one place is slightly more convenient. This aspect is very minor in the grand scheme of things and not really worth having them all in one place just for convenience's sake. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
:Well, let's say a reader comes here looking for the notice that appears when Character A appears. Now, they check Character A's article and finds the info there. They decide to see if there's similarities between some of them, so they check Character B's article. They find the info there, and a trend is set. They can then check all the character articles they are curious about. Basically, our navigation doesn't suffer from just having them on character or stage pages, despite the fact that yes, having them all in one place is slightly more convenient. This aspect is very minor in the grand scheme of things and not really worth having them all in one place just for convenience's sake. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
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==Delete List of Notices in Super Smash Bros. Brawl==
==Delete List of Notices in Super Smash Bros. Brawl==
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Based on my arguments above, I feel this page should be deleted. In case you don't want to read them, let me summarize them.
Based on my arguments above, I feel this page should be deleted. In case you don't want to read them, let me summarize them.


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#{{User|Skyward Yoshi}} We don't have a page for unlocking things in Mario Kart Wii.
#{{User|Skyward Yoshi}} We don't have a page for unlocking things in Mario Kart Wii.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Not exactly major enough to keep hold of.  Besides, you can just go [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Notices here] to view the notices.
#{{User|M&SG}} - Not exactly major enough to keep hold of.  Besides, you can just go [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Notices here] to view the notices.
#{{User|Lord Grammaticus}} Per all, particularly Bop and Bryce. Finding something convenient/useful isn't good enough to keep an article on its own. Furthermore, while it is indeed stated that we cover all aspects of crossovers, we would not suffer for a lack of relatively minor info such as this. If notice lists have not been kept for other games, then there is no need to keep this one if we wish to maintain consistency.
#{{User|YoshiKong}} This subject is not needed for an individual article, since it is not directly Mario related, as mentioned in [[MarioWiki:Coverage]]. This should be moved to [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Main_Page Smash Wiki].
#{{User|Raven Effect}} Per all
#{{User|SuperFireBowserJr.}} That's what SmashWiki is for.
#{{User|Akfamilyhome}} SmashWiki can do the job. Per all.


====Oppose====
====Oppose====
#{{User|Star knight}} It is useful to have this information, since the Notices listed here are saved in the game, and players can use this article to check and see if they have accomplished everything that has a Notice. If this information was spread across 50 articles, then players won't be able to check if they acquired all the Notices. One reason I use this wiki is to check if I accomplished everything I can in a video game. As for the minority of this topic, I quote the [[MarioWiki: Coverage]] article: "The Super Mario Wiki is a database focused on '''all''' aspects of the Mario series, '''including''' spin-off series and cross-over series." This article has information about an aspect of the game. If this is an encyclopedia, then it should have as much information as possible. Whether or not these reasons seem valid, the arguments for deleting are even less valid. Most say that this topic is minor. Since we should cover all aspects of games, the minority of topics really doesn't matter. People have also said that this gives to much coverage to the [[Super Smash Bros. series]]. Well, since Mario characters play a major role in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] (8 are playable), this game is in the [[Mario series]], or is at least a crossover game; therefore, all aspects of the game should be covered. Additionally, this article is far more organized than the one on the Super Smash Bros. wiki.
#{{User|Star knight}} It is useful to have this information, since the Notices listed here are saved in the game, and players can use this article to check and see if they have accomplished everything that has a Notice. If this information was spread across 50 articles, then players won't be able to check if they acquired all the Notices. One reason I use this wiki is to check if I accomplished everything I can in a video game. As for the minority of this topic, I quote the [[MarioWiki: Coverage]] article: "The Super Mario Wiki is a database focused on '''all''' aspects of the Mario series, '''including''' spin-off series and cross-over series." This article has information about an aspect of the game. If this is an encyclopedia, then it should have as much information as possible. Whether or not these reasons seem valid, the arguments for deleting are even less valid. Most say that this topic is minor. Since we should cover all aspects of games, the minority of topics really doesn't matter. People have also said that this gives to much coverage to the [[Super Smash Bros. series]]. Well, since Mario characters play a major role in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] (8 are playable), this game is in the [[Mario series]], or is at least a crossover game; therefore, all aspects of the game should be covered. Additionally, this article is far more organized than the one on the Super Smash Bros. wiki.
#{{User|Mario7}} This useful because it shows how to unlock stuff, which I find very useful
#{{User|Mr.C}} Per Star Knight.


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<blockquote>Whether or not these reasons seem valid, the arguments for deleting are even less valid. Most say that this topic is minor. Since we should cover all aspects of games, the minority of topics really doesn't matter. People have also said that this gives to much coverage to the [[Super Smash Bros. series]]. Well, since Mario characters play a major role in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] (8 are playable), this game is in the [[Mario series]], or is at least a crossover game; therefore, all aspects of the game should be covered. Additionally, this article is far more organized than the one on the Super Smash Bros. wiki.</blockquote>
<blockquote>Whether or not these reasons seem valid, the arguments for deleting are even less valid. Most say that this topic is minor. Since we should cover all aspects of games, the minority of topics really doesn't matter. People have also said that this gives to much coverage to the [[Super Smash Bros. series]]. Well, since Mario characters play a major role in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] (8 are playable), this game is in the [[Mario series]], or is at least a crossover game; therefore, all aspects of the game should be covered. Additionally, this article is far more organized than the one on the Super Smash Bros. wiki.</blockquote>
::The Smash Bros. series is considered to be a crossover series involving Mario and several other series, not a game in the ''Mario'' series of one of its spin-off series. Mario characters do appear in Smash Bros. games, so we cover the Mario-related elements of the series, and the really major elements (like other fighters) from other series as part of our coverage. We do try to keep the really minor aspects of this series on other articles or trimmed down, so that's why we don't cover tiers or things like that. We have an affiliate in NIWA that provides coverage on all the minor aspects of this series, so leaving an article about something highly minor like this here is highly unnecessary. Btw, the SmashWiki article is very well-organized and easy to find information on, so I'd rather read that, but that's just my opinion. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
::The Smash Bros. series is considered to be a crossover series involving Mario and several other series, not a game in the ''Mario'' series of one of its spin-off series. Mario characters do appear in Smash Bros. games, so we cover the Mario-related elements of the series, and the really major elements (like other fighters) from other series as part of our coverage. We do try to keep the really minor aspects of this series on other articles or trimmed down, so that's why we don't cover tiers or things like that. We have an affiliate in NIWA that provides coverage on all the minor aspects of this series, so leaving an article about something highly minor like this here is highly unnecessary. Btw, the SmashWiki article is very well-organized and easy to find information on, so I'd rather read that, but that's just my opinion. {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
(reset indent) Oppose !votes are exceedingly unconvincing. MarioWiki is an encyclopedia, '''not a blog nor a game guide'''. --{{User|B.wilson}} 23:09, 18 January 2012 (EST)
:I agree with B. Wilson in fact i'm pretty sure theres a page that literally says were not a Game Guide {{User|Raven Effect}}
The fact that we wouldn't suffer without an article is not a reason to delete it. Also, this article was not intended to be a game guide; it is simply stating facts.
:This page is a non-encyclopedic page bordering on a game guide. [[User:B.wilson/List of Notices in Super Smash Bros. Brawl|I've userfied the page as well]]. --{{User|B.wilson}}
If this passes, we should keep this page because it is a record of a past talk page proposal. I also think that other passed delete proposals should also be restored so people can see the proposals. {{User|Skyward Yoshi}}
:Looks like it's going to pass, seeing as it's past deadline day in EST. [[User:Lord Grammaticus|Lord Grammaticus]] 07:46, 25 January 2012 (EST)
@StarKnight They can look it up on SmashWiki --{{User|Superfiremario}} 11:59, 22 January 2012 (EST)