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Here's my comment: MegaMario9910 himself told me clearly that he doesn't want it to create extra articles, just add tiny bits of info. So listen. -- {{User|Dom}} | Here's my comment: MegaMario9910 himself told me clearly that he doesn't want it to create extra articles, just add tiny bits of info. So listen. -- {{User|Dom}} | ||
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===Forms=== | ===Forms=== | ||
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Not all of the power-ups serve only the single purpose of turning Mario into _____-Mario. A good example of this is the Fire Flower. It serves a completely different purpose in some games; in the Paper Mario games it functions as an attack item. Likewise Mario is able to use fireballs without a Fire Flower as in Super Mario RPG. {{unsigned|Tykyle}} | Not all of the power-ups serve only the single purpose of turning Mario into _____-Mario. A good example of this is the Fire Flower. It serves a completely different purpose in some games; in the Paper Mario games it functions as an attack item. Likewise Mario is able to use fireballs without a Fire Flower as in Super Mario RPG. {{unsigned|Tykyle}} | ||
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===Prevent loss of information (Recipes)=== | ===Prevent loss of information (Recipes)=== | ||
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::Walkazo's idea sounds good to me, but personally I don't mind too much how this is done so long as it's done somehow. Also, the final products '''won't''' have their own articles if the project initiated by [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_7#Recipes|the previous Recipes proposal]] is completed. That's why I made this proposal in the first place: to ensure that all the content of the deleted articles will remain on the wiki, in an easily accessible format. —{{User|Soler}}. | ::Walkazo's idea sounds good to me, but personally I don't mind too much how this is done so long as it's done somehow. Also, the final products '''won't''' have their own articles if the project initiated by [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_7#Recipes|the previous Recipes proposal]] is completed. That's why I made this proposal in the first place: to ensure that all the content of the deleted articles will remain on the wiki, in an easily accessible format. —{{User|Soler}}. | ||
:Yeah, didn't think about the flipping back and forth. Maybe, to shorten the page length, we could have two pages (again): Recipes (A-M) and Recipes (N-Z). Go ahead prove me wrong. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | :Yeah, didn't think about the flipping back and forth. Maybe, to shorten the page length, we could have two pages (again): Recipes (A-M) and Recipes (N-Z). Go ahead prove me wrong. [[User:Ninjayoshi|Ninjayoshi]] | ||
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===Remove Automatons, Machinations, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Specters from the "Species" Category=== | ===Remove Automatons, Machinations, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Specters from the "Species" Category=== | ||
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...Right... Anyway, just to clarify my earlier post, I thought the second quote was taken from the tattle, but your edited comment is much clearer and I now see that I was mistaken. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ...Right... Anyway, just to clarify my earlier post, I thought the second quote was taken from the tattle, but your edited comment is much clearer and I now see that I was mistaken. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
:::Well, the whole point of this was to increase accuracy and precision, which no one seems to care about excepting Soler and myself. I'm not going to start debating whether or not Mechakoopas are sapient beings, or whether or not Kingdom-Phylum-Class-Order-Family-Genus-Species exists in marioverse, because these are things we'll never know. I just wanted to make the terminology correct, but I guess I didn't realize that people felt so passionately about keeping such an insignificant thing the same.{{User|Goomb-omb}} Again, no offense and no hard feelings to anyone. :) | :::Well, the whole point of this was to increase accuracy and precision, which no one seems to care about excepting Soler and myself. I'm not going to start debating whether or not Mechakoopas are sapient beings, or whether or not Kingdom-Phylum-Class-Order-Family-Genus-Species exists in marioverse, because these are things we'll never know. I just wanted to make the terminology correct, but I guess I didn't realize that people felt so passionately about keeping such an insignificant thing the same.{{User|Goomb-omb}} Again, no offense and no hard feelings to anyone. :) | ||
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===Write Articles in the Same Tense=== | ===Write Articles in the Same Tense=== | ||
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I'm a Mac user and I made the Proposal...but I never thought of issues related to finding words to change. {{User|Dom}} | I'm a Mac user and I made the Proposal...but I never thought of issues related to finding words to change. {{User|Dom}} | ||
:Just copy and paste the text from the edit box to Word and find it there. That's what I do whenever I have to find something on my cruddy 10-year-old Mac. (Convoluted workarounds/"shortcuts" are my specialty these days.) - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Just copy and paste the text from the edit box to Word and find it there. That's what I do whenever I have to find something on my cruddy 10-year-old Mac. (Convoluted workarounds/"shortcuts" are my specialty these days.) - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Star Rod=== | ===Star Rod=== | ||
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:::You know what, since there's three Star Rods, maybe we should make a Star Rod redirect to Star Rod (disambiguation) and then have it go to Star Rod (PM), Star Rod (MP8), and Star Rod (SSB). Sound good? {{User|Stumpers}} | :::You know what, since there's three Star Rods, maybe we should make a Star Rod redirect to Star Rod (disambiguation) and then have it go to Star Rod (PM), Star Rod (MP8), and Star Rod (SSB). Sound good? {{User|Stumpers}} | ||
::::Yep. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ::::Yep. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===The Notability Standard=== | ===The Notability Standard=== | ||
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Bytes could be difficult to determine. I'd go with a bottom limit of 4000 characters, including spaces. {{User|Cobold}} | Bytes could be difficult to determine. I'd go with a bottom limit of 4000 characters, including spaces. {{User|Cobold}} | ||
:Okay, I'll keep the proposal as it is, then. Thanks for the support, everyone. {{User|Stumpers}} | :Okay, I'll keep the proposal as it is, then. Thanks for the support, everyone. {{User|Stumpers}} | ||
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===Allow cameo '''appearences''' to be documented in character articles=== | ===Allow cameo '''appearences''' to be documented in character articles=== | ||
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Obviously I'm excluding games or shows where Mario is a main character, like Hotel Mario & the SMBSS. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | Obviously I'm excluding games or shows where Mario is a main character, like Hotel Mario & the SMBSS. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]] | ||
:Of course: those are in the actual Appearance sections. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :Of course: those are in the actual Appearance sections. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Merge Mario's clothing=== | ===Merge Mario's clothing=== | ||
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{{User|Dom}} Insignificant items like his gloves and er, shoes, should be merged, but stuff like his hat and main clothes are quite deserving of their own articles. There are articles about MUCH less significant things on this Wiki... | {{User|Dom}} Insignificant items like his gloves and er, shoes, should be merged, but stuff like his hat and main clothes are quite deserving of their own articles. There are articles about MUCH less significant things on this Wiki... | ||
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===Fire and Ice Templates=== | ===Fire and Ice Templates=== | ||
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::Oh, thanks! Does anyone think that two Ice and two Fire templates would be better than the above idea of a "double template"? (I myself think that the double one would be easier for navigation.) —{{User|Soler}}. | ::Oh, thanks! Does anyone think that two Ice and two Fire templates would be better than the above idea of a "double template"? (I myself think that the double one would be easier for navigation.) —{{User|Soler}}. | ||
:::I prefer the double one, and I've taken your example and refined new split-templates for both Fire and Ice which I've put up [[User:Walkazo/Templates|here]] with the earlier versions. As I said in the added last line of the Proposal, I'd rather go with them than my earler attempts. Nice going! - {{User|Walkazo}} | :::I prefer the double one, and I've taken your example and refined new split-templates for both Fire and Ice which I've put up [[User:Walkazo/Templates|here]] with the earlier versions. As I said in the added last line of the Proposal, I'd rather go with them than my earler attempts. Nice going! - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Repeated Info, Pointless Pages?=== | ===Repeated Info, Pointless Pages?=== | ||
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'''Note to Cobold:''' - Since my comments to 2 other users, I guess I've kind of confirmed that the Support means what you agreed to - less info on Final Smash page. {{User|Dom}} | '''Note to Cobold:''' - Since my comments to 2 other users, I guess I've kind of confirmed that the Support means what you agreed to - less info on Final Smash page. {{User|Dom}} | ||
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===Paper Luigi=== | ===Paper Luigi=== | ||
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[[user:Dryest bowser|Dryest bowser]]- ok, that's ok, let's do that, all the characters like hizza,crepe, and even princess eclair should be merged with the implied characters | [[user:Dryest bowser|Dryest bowser]]- ok, that's ok, let's do that, all the characters like hizza,crepe, and even princess eclair should be merged with the implied characters | ||
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===Merlon=== | ===Merlon=== | ||
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::{{User|Pikax}} - It says in the [[Merlon (Super Paper Mario)]] article that he may be a different Merlon to the other two and it says in the other Merlon article that the PM:TTYD Merlon might be a different one to the PM one. Therefore, the Merlons could be as different as the Merlees. | ::{{User|Pikax}} - It says in the [[Merlon (Super Paper Mario)]] article that he may be a different Merlon to the other two and it says in the other Merlon article that the PM:TTYD Merlon might be a different one to the PM one. Therefore, the Merlons could be as different as the Merlees. | ||
:::The second paragraph [[Shaman|here]] supports the theory that they're all different (it's what GinnyN was referencing, I believe). Of course, this means the [[Merlon (Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door)]] article needs to be split, as does [[Merluvlee]]. Though all that might require another proposal, assuming that this one doesn't pass. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :::The second paragraph [[Shaman|here]] supports the theory that they're all different (it's what GinnyN was referencing, I believe). Of course, this means the [[Merlon (Paper Mario, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door)]] article needs to be split, as does [[Merluvlee]]. Though all that might require another proposal, assuming that this one doesn't pass. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Signature Image Height Restriction=== | ===Signature Image Height Restriction=== | ||
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Actually, [[MarioWiki:Signature]] says "A small image may be used, limited to 35 pixels in height." If [[MarioWiki:Personal Images]] says someething different, that's an inconsistency. {{User|CrystalYoshi}} | Actually, [[MarioWiki:Signature]] says "A small image may be used, limited to 35 pixels in height." If [[MarioWiki:Personal Images]] says someething different, that's an inconsistency. {{User|CrystalYoshi}} | ||
:This proposal is mostly about sorting out this inconsistency. {{User|Pikax}} | :This proposal is mostly about sorting out this inconsistency. {{User|Pikax}} | ||
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===Multi-Appearing Mario Kart Track Pages=== | ===Multi-Appearing Mario Kart Track Pages=== | ||
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::::{{User|Mario Gamer}} - Okay, maybe repetitive was a bad word choice. My point is if I was looking at an article on Mario Kart 64's Luigi Circuit and I wanted to see some pictures I'd rather have them right there. Not fishing through a big gallery on the bottom. I think it looks loads more organized and I just don't see what having one big gallery offers to having several. The only argument I see is that it's too spacious. In that case I really don't know what to tell you if you can't scroll a few more inches. It's not written in stone anywhere that there has to be one gallery, nor should it be. It simply looks better and more organized as several. When I click a track I want all my info right there. Not spread out over a big page. | ::::{{User|Mario Gamer}} - Okay, maybe repetitive was a bad word choice. My point is if I was looking at an article on Mario Kart 64's Luigi Circuit and I wanted to see some pictures I'd rather have them right there. Not fishing through a big gallery on the bottom. I think it looks loads more organized and I just don't see what having one big gallery offers to having several. The only argument I see is that it's too spacious. In that case I really don't know what to tell you if you can't scroll a few more inches. It's not written in stone anywhere that there has to be one gallery, nor should it be. It simply looks better and more organized as several. When I click a track I want all my info right there. Not spread out over a big page. | ||
:::::Both ways have their own advantages and disadvantages, there's no denying it. You think it's better your way, and I think it's better my way; but we need everyone else's opinions on the matter to get anywhere, so another vote's the only real solution. Anyway, these last couple comments were added after this proposal passed, so they're not gonna get archived, but I thought I'd speak up now anyway. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :::::Both ways have their own advantages and disadvantages, there's no denying it. You think it's better your way, and I think it's better my way; but we need everyone else's opinions on the matter to get anywhere, so another vote's the only real solution. Anyway, these last couple comments were added after this proposal passed, so they're not gonna get archived, but I thought I'd speak up now anyway. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
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===Legendary Dogs=== | ===Legendary Dogs=== | ||
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::I'm not making the guide lines. [[Majora's Mask]] has an article for the same reason. {{User|Grandy02}} | ::I'm not making the guide lines. [[Majora's Mask]] has an article for the same reason. {{User|Grandy02}} | ||
::{{User|Pikax}} - In terms of gameplay, the Entei stage is not a trophy. | ::{{User|Pikax}} - In terms of gameplay, the Entei stage is not a trophy. | ||
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===Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow=== | ===Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow=== | ||
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Hemu: To your third point, I'd just like to point out that we are not a specialized SSB wiki. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | Hemu: To your third point, I'd just like to point out that we are not a specialized SSB wiki. -- {{User|Ghost Jam}} | ||
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===Grandma Toadstool=== | ===Grandma Toadstool=== | ||
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:::Wow, canonicity's become a real hot topic all of a sudden. Anyway, there's been speculation that calling the Toad "Grandma" is just a term of endearment, based on Peach's lack of mushroomness, so there's a good chance they're not blood relations. And speaking of speculation, I think the article's assertion that Grandma Toadstool is the King's mother is wrong, seeing as one Granny lived in a woodland cottage, and the other didn't seem like the "King Mother"/"ex-Queen"-type. Even if we say the grandmothers are from either side, it's still questionable who mothered who, as it's been revelaed that [[King Toadstool]] is a human, and the reigning monarch, meaning his parents were the former rulers, and are now (or at least his father, if grandma married into the family) are dead (and certainly not living in the woods). Speculation makes a mess of things. And remember to use <nowiki>{{User|___}}</nowiki> here, please. - {{User|Walkazo}} | :::Wow, canonicity's become a real hot topic all of a sudden. Anyway, there's been speculation that calling the Toad "Grandma" is just a term of endearment, based on Peach's lack of mushroomness, so there's a good chance they're not blood relations. And speaking of speculation, I think the article's assertion that Grandma Toadstool is the King's mother is wrong, seeing as one Granny lived in a woodland cottage, and the other didn't seem like the "King Mother"/"ex-Queen"-type. Even if we say the grandmothers are from either side, it's still questionable who mothered who, as it's been revelaed that [[King Toadstool]] is a human, and the reigning monarch, meaning his parents were the former rulers, and are now (or at least his father, if grandma married into the family) are dead (and certainly not living in the woods). Speculation makes a mess of things. And remember to use <nowiki>{{User|___}}</nowiki> here, please. - {{User|Walkazo}} | ||
::::Yeah, we're going to have to fix that. Instead of saying that she is on the paternal side, we could instead say that, "Because Grandma Toadstool, King Toadstool, and Princess Toadstool all share the same surname, Grandma Toadstool may be the mother of the king and the princess's paternal grandmother, although no official source has confirmed this." I suppose that a woman could end up living in the Mushroom Woods rather than a more... elegant location because of King Koopa's reign over the Mushroom Kingdom during the SMBSS, but then we're getting into speculation again. Princess Peach explicitly states that Grandma Toadstool is her grandmother, she doesn't say which side. Speaking of, is there any line in SMRPG that confirms that Toadstool's grandmother is actually her grandmother? {{User|Stumpers}} | ::::Yeah, we're going to have to fix that. Instead of saying that she is on the paternal side, we could instead say that, "Because Grandma Toadstool, King Toadstool, and Princess Toadstool all share the same surname, Grandma Toadstool may be the mother of the king and the princess's paternal grandmother, although no official source has confirmed this." I suppose that a woman could end up living in the Mushroom Woods rather than a more... elegant location because of King Koopa's reign over the Mushroom Kingdom during the SMBSS, but then we're getting into speculation again. Princess Peach explicitly states that Grandma Toadstool is her grandmother, she doesn't say which side. Speaking of, is there any line in SMRPG that confirms that Toadstool's grandmother is actually her grandmother? {{User|Stumpers}} | ||
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===Bios=== | ===Bios=== | ||
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::::Exactly. That article would not be featured, without the long biography. However, non-mario-related info is not supposed to be there. And the info that's not supposed to be there, made that article featured. Which is pretty ironic. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ::::Exactly. That article would not be featured, without the long biography. However, non-mario-related info is not supposed to be there. And the info that's not supposed to be there, made that article featured. Which is pretty ironic. {{User|Garlic Man}} | ||
:::It's like I said above: we already can discuss their life overall, so yes we will have to trim down Deanna's article slightly. What we're opposing are articles that would go on and on and on about one's childhood experiences, trivial things like favorite foods, or complete lists of all movies and TV shows a person has acted for (filmography). {{User|Stumpers}} | :::It's like I said above: we already can discuss their life overall, so yes we will have to trim down Deanna's article slightly. What we're opposing are articles that would go on and on and on about one's childhood experiences, trivial things like favorite foods, or complete lists of all movies and TV shows a person has acted for (filmography). {{User|Stumpers}} | ||
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Insert info from GamesDO NOT INSERT INFO FROM SONIC GAMES 21-5 Alright. I was happening to look through Shadow the Hedgehog's article, and had edited something that was info from the games. I thought maybe, why not put info from the games into the articles (i e. Like add Sonic Rush info in Sonic, Tails, Blaze, Amy, Eggman, Cream, and Knuckles articles). This will also help some stub articles. This is overview, not in-depth. Add information from games, or don't add information from games?
Add Information from Games
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CommentsThis will be my first successful proposal. MegaMario9910 (talk)
We're not trying to cover information from outside series. Only information from Mario-based games. Including a HIGHLY detailed back story on outside characters is just too damn much. There's a borderline to the outside information we can add here; Information on characters from the SSB series and ONLY their appearance in the SSB series is fine; we're detailing information from that one series, since it's linked to the Mario series. That's fine. But including information on, say, what Blaze did in all of Sonic Rush and Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, or what Fox McCloud did in all 5 Star Fox games. That makes us a "Video game Wiki", not a "Mario Wiki". And remember, there's something called "external linking". Pokemon DP (talk)
Brawl features appearances of Wolf, Fox, Slippy, Krystal, and Falco. Brawl is sort of Mario media, but doesn't show Mario as a significant character. We still have articles on Super Smash Bros anyway. We don't have any articles on Sonic characters like Jet the Hawk because he doesn't appear in Mario media. Clay Mario (talk)
Sorry. You were only putting information in the articles. But then you should only put information of the characters in mario media to make us stay the MARIO wiki Clay Mario (talk) In the circumstance that you need to mention a character or place that wasn't in the Smash Bros. games in the overview paragraph, do so. However, someone like Jet the Hawk, who is a rival in a spin-off of the main series, doesn't need to be mentioned. Look at my example: "to stop the plots of a variety of violent foes, particularly Dr. Eggman," I'm not sure if Jet was ever violent, but I think Jet is an example of one of the villains I didn't mention. I also didn't mention Silver, you'll notice, because he's just a cameo. I did mention Shadow because he's an assist trophy. I hope that helps! Stumpers (talk) Here's my comment: MegaMario9910 himself told me clearly that he doesn't want it to create extra articles, just add tiny bits of info. So listen. -- Dom (talk) FormsDO NOT MERGE 10-1 I've been wanting to do this for a while, ao I'll be blunt: having articles like Fire Mario is stupuid. It's Mario with a Fire Flower: all of that info belongs in the Fire Flower article. The same goes for all Mario's forms: Ice Mario, Wing Mario, etc., and quite a few "subspecies": Beach Koopas (Koopa's without their shells) and Fishin' Lakitus (lakitus with Fishing Poles). I never did quite understand why these articles were needed. My proposal is that we merge all of these "form" articles with their respective power-up/character. Please note that full-fledged alter-egos (like Dr. Mario) should certainly stay, as should "forms" that are treated like seperate characters (Dry Bowser and Giga Bowser); but there are limits, people. Proposer: Ultimatetoad Support
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CommentsOK, I have two reasons for opposing this proposal. 1) They (they being the other forms) have official names, have long enough articles to be stubs, and are a different part of the Mario Universe. For example, Fishin' Lakitus are more different than one would think. They will not attack Mario unless he grabs the Mushrooom, making them harmless until the player takes action. Also, take the Mario forms thing as an example. Statue Mario would not fit under the Tanooki suit article. This is because the Tanooki Suit article explains what the Tanooki Suit does, while the Statue Mario article explains what Statue Mario is. 2) This proposal is too vague. You did not specify which articles would need this, as some people may agree on some articles but not on others. This must be a long, article by article process if everyone is to agree. Sorry to bore you with such a long explanation, but there's my opinion. InfectedShroom (talk) Um.... the Statue Mario page is already merged with Tanooki suit. I will reply to both of you'r opposals in order: 1. Statue Mario is.... Mario turned into a statue. If that info does not belong on the Tanooki suit page then at least it can be merged into the Mario page. 2. Which articles am i talking about? well, for a beggining, we could do all of the articles in the Mario Forms template. Those are the ones that this proposal is mainly about. The Beach Koopa and Fishing Lakitu thing is debatable: I might remove them from the proposal, especially after that little tidbit you gace me just now. My real problem with these articles is that, when you get right down to it, whther it behaves differently or not, it is still just a lakitu with a fishing pole. Maybe it does'nt attack Mario because it's hands are full.... - Ultimatetoad
Not all of the power-ups serve only the single purpose of turning Mario into _____-Mario. A good example of this is the Fire Flower. It serves a completely different purpose in some games; in the Paper Mario games it functions as an attack item. Likewise Mario is able to use fireballs without a Fire Flower as in Super Mario RPG. Prevent loss of information (Recipes)RULE THAT A MERGE OF THE RECIPES ARTICLES CANNOT LEAD TO LOSS OF INFORMATION 4-0 A previously passed proposal (which can be found here) called for the merging of the Recipes articles into one long page. While I'm not particularly bothered about this, I fear the possibility of information (such as notable trivia or complete lists of combinations) being removed so as to avoid an overly long page. (The second sentence of what appears to be Xzelion's page for working on the merge suggests an intention to not include every combination, for instance.) I propose that it be set down that if any merge of the Recipes pages does eventually take place, all possible recipe combinations and all pieces of important trivia must remain somewhere easily accessible on the wiki, such as a separate page for combinations. (The combinations page is only a suggestion and not part of the proposal.) My reasoning is that useful information should not be removed from this wiki for the sake of convenience, that the wiki should be a compendium of all things Mario-related, and that one should not have to visit another fansite to find out recipe combinations. Proposer: Soler Rule that a merge cannot lead to loss of information (Support)
Allow loss of information (Oppose)CommentsI think that we should have two pages for the Recipes: Recipes and Recipes (Trivia). Recipes (Trivia) will list the Recipe, then game, and finally the trivia. No descriptions on the Trivia page. Ninjayoshi
Remove Automatons, Machinations, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Specters from the "Species" CategoryKEEP AS SPECIES 11-2 It is true that a species is a group of of living things. It is also true, that undead things, and robotic things, are not living things, and do not constitute a species. Since common sense often fails, I'll included dictionary definitions of a species in my comments below. Now, many of you who are reading this will think I'm just getting bogged down by semantics, but any errors in the wiki reflect on the wiki (and us, the users) and I think an error as large as this one greatly detracts from the credibility of this wiki. Proposer: Goomb-omb Deadline: June 27, 2008, 20:00 Support
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CommentsDefinitions of species according to two credible dictionaries:According to Encarta World English Dictionary a species is ''a subdivision of a genus. . .containing individuals that resemble one another and that may interbreed'' And in Websters New Revised Dictionary of the English Language species is defined as ''A category of animals or plants. . .with the capacity of interbreeding only among themselves.'' I don't think MeowMaids fit any of that criteria. Goomb-omb (talk)
Ninjayoshi, the 12:02, 13 June 2008 (EDT) revision of the Boo article quotes Goombario's tattle for Igor thus: " ‘He probably was a merchant before he became a Boo,’ " and goes on to speculate that "Boos may be a species of ghosts [sic—ghosts cannot belong to a species] who were once living." It is therefore possible that Boos are ghosts, and so do not belong to a species. —Soler (talk)
Actually, Soler's quote proves this proposal's wrong: clearly there can be species of ghosts in the Marioverse, or they (the writers) wouldn't've made that tattle. Besides, "Character Type" sounds more like when you say whether or not a player's a Power Character or a Technique Character, etc. in sports/kart racing titles. - Walkazo (talk)
If this were a wiki about, oh say, Dora the Explorer, would we write about how Swiper the Fox is a kleptomaniac? I think you're looking at it a bit too hard..... - Ultimatetoad You said scientific meant a type of accuracy? Why not just use the word accurate to describe the situation in the first place? Pikax (talk) O.K., lets look at in another way. The mario series exists in a different reality then the one we exist in. Who says the idea of a species in this fictional reality is the same as ours? A lot of fiction represent robots as a type of species: ghost's too, now that I think about it (anyone here read Bruce Coville?). One of OUR dictionaries does'nt have much impact: so the question is, have Boos/Machine-Mades/Meow-Maids ever been reffered to as a species in the Mario series? - Ultimatetoad
--Tykyle 17:13, 26 June 2008 (EDT) ...Right... Anyway, just to clarify my earlier post, I thought the second quote was taken from the tattle, but your edited comment is much clearer and I now see that I was mistaken. - Walkazo (talk)
Write Articles in the Same TenseNO SUCH RULE 6-3 Here I go: I mean tense as in past, present, future. Now, I've been looking at quite a few character articles, but this also applies to game articles, in the Story sections. I've noticed that the older games and characters' articles seem to be written in past tense, as in "Mario then defeated Bowser and then went psycho" - but more recent games/characters (e.g. Rosalina, Super Mario Galaxy...) are in present tense, like "Mario defeats Bowser and returns peace to the kingdom." So, I think it makes sense to have them all in present tense, no matter how old the character/game is. It's all about consistency, if you ask me. This is my first proposal, so I've probably done it wrong and it might get deleted...oh well, I tried. UPDATE: OK, I'll admit I kind of confused myself with what I wrote at first. OK, after reading the Comments and Oppositions...here's my change: There should be a rule that determines how to write an article...such as a rule about how old the game/event/whatever is. Or the rule could be that certain Sections, such as Story or History, are always consistent for any article, but that same article may have the more appropriate tense in other sections. Does that make sense? Proposer:Dom Deadline: June 27th 20:00 PM. Support
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Comments'Wouldn't this cause confusion' if Super Mario World and Super Mario World 2 were written as if they were happening at the same time?Ninjayoshi
Hey, I forgot to say stuff about articles to do with future games or characters...maybe that should also be discussed? Dom (talk) I'm confused about this proposal. Stumpers wrote in his support vote that past tense should be used for passed events, and I think the same. However, this proposal is about present tense in every case, isn't it? I'm for consistency, but not for present tense everytime. What is it all about now, really?? --Grandy02 07:44, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Make sure you read my UPDATE before any more comments. Dom (talk)
It doesn't take a long time to fix tenses with the ctrl+f function (find). Just type in ed, ing, etc. in the find window. Clay Mario (talk)
Star RodSPLIT 20-0 The Star Rod article is currently about both the Star Rod that Bowser stole in Paper Mario and the item used in the Super Smash Bros. series that originated from the Kirby series. Should the article be split in two articles, or remain as one article about two subjects? Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Support (split article)
Oppose (keep as one article)CommentsWe need to decide what we're going to do about the split if it happens. When someone types in "Star Rod," should it go to a disambiguation page or to the Paper Mario Star Rod? I'm inclined to think the latter. If we do that, the Paper Mario Star Rod can be left on the "Star Rod" page and the Kirby Star Rod can go to "Star Rod (item)" Sound good? Stumpers (talk)
The Notability StandardNEW NOTABILITY STANDARD 10-0 To quote one of the standards for a Featured Article as established by MarioWiki:Featured Articles, to become an FA an article must, "…be notable and have significant content – some complete articles like Spiny Shroopa do not have enough information to become FAs." On a number of Featured Article Nominations, including Smithy and Alien (Club Nintendo), the nomination has been questioned on the basis of this rule. If a single user feels that a subject is too minor, he or she can stop the nomination in its tracks by casting an oppose vote. In my opinion, the quoted standard leaves too much up to opinion of a small group of users and defeats the purpose of an oppose vote. The point of an oppose vote is to help the supporters to make improvements on the article (as established by MarioWiki:Featured Articles). The supporters cannot make a subject more notable. In addition, the rule may hinders desire to edit an article about a minor topic. However, I do appreciate the need for a featured article to be longer than Spiny Shroopa if the Wiki is to look established and appealing to new editors and casual readers. Therefore, I propose that we replace the above condition with the following: to become an FA, an article must have at least 4,000 characters (letters, spaces, etc.) not including templates, categories, quotes, images, and "official profiles and statistics" sections. Text in an image thumbnail is included. Examples of articles that just make this limit are Baby Daisy and Booster. I am currently open to increasing the minimum character limit or removing non-breaking spaces (the ones the spacebar puts in) from that limit; please discuss. Microsoft Word includes a statistic feature that allows a user to easily find the character count with and without spaces. Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Support (replace standard)
Oppose (maintain standard)CommentsNot a bad idea. However, do you have plans to do a Byte limit as well? That would wear it down to an even finer point. I dunno, just a suggestion. Thought I'd throw it out there. :P InfectedShroom (talk)
Bytes could be difficult to determine. I'd go with a bottom limit of 4000 characters, including spaces. Cobold (talk) Allow cameo appearences to be documented in character articlesADD CAMEO APPEARANCES TO CHARACTER ARTICLES 14-0 The Cameo page currently includes numerous examples of purposeful Mario appearences by Nintendo. These incude his appearences in those sports games )can't remember the names) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out Kirby Superstar, etc. I propose that we incorporate these "official" cameo's into the main characters article, as a way to include more info. Proposer: Ultimatetoad Deadline: July 1, 2008, 17:00 Support
OpposeCommentsI dunno. If we listed every time Mario has been seen/mentioned in a tv show, the page would be (even more) horribly long. --Blitzwing 12:41, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
Ultimatetoad, please always add a reason to your votes, even if you're the proposer. Time Q (talk) But I don't wanna - Ultimatetoad
I was just joking. I dit put a reason, even if it is just : please refer above (ok, so maybe it's just "above, you know what it means. I think that Stumpers had a good idea: non-mario games which Mario appears in (and games which are made by nintendo) should be incorporated into the character page. Everything else can stay on Cameo. I will change my proposal to reflect this. - Ultimatetoad
erm, well, thos are "official" sightings too, so they should probably be moved.... I mean, we have articles for the games. don't we? - Ultimatetoad
Well: Any appearence/mention on a game for a NINTENDO CONSOLE will be in the main character article. These include everything Walkazo just said as well as the ones listed at the top and... some other ones. Any appearence/mention on a non-nintendo console, show, movie, etc., will stay on the cameo page. Obviously I'm excluding games or shows where Mario is a main character, like Hotel Mario & the SMBSS. - Ultimatetoad Merge Mario's clothingNO MERGE 7-1 So I've been looking around the wiki, and I recently noticed that there are articles of each piece of Mario's clothing (excluding his overalls). I find this a bit odd. They aren't very notable in any way. So I think we should merge each piece into one article. It would be named something like "Mario's clothing" or "List of Mario's clothing" or something to that effect. Opinions? Proposer:huntercrunch Deadline: July 3, 2008, 17:00 Support
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CommentsJust so that people can judge better, the articles are: Mario's Hat, Mario's Glove, Mario's Shoe, Template:Fakelink, Mario's Overalls, and, if you consider it, Mario's Star. I would agree with you on the glove, shoes, shirt, and overalls. We did the same with Pauline's Items. However, the hat is what's getting to me. That has played an important role in the series and is apparently the secret to Mario's power (see Super Mario 64). Stumpers (talk) I think his shoes and gloves should be merged. -Ninjayoshi
Dom (talk) Insignificant items like his gloves and er, shoes, should be merged, but stuff like his hat and main clothes are quite deserving of their own articles. There are articles about MUCH less significant things on this Wiki... Fire and Ice TemplatesCHANGE TEMPLATES 12-0 As I said on the Fire talk page, too many things use fire (or ice) for these templates to be practical. Instead, I propose we alter these templates so that they only include things made of, or irrefutably linked to fire/ice. This is a better design because readers could then research creatures of fire or ice with as much ease as if they were using the Bird or Fish Templates to research those kinds of beings, instead of getting bogged down with species that only use fire or ice. For example, if someone wants to research Birds, anything else in the Bird Template that flies but isn't a bird would slow them down; however a misfile like this would be obvious as a bird is a clearly defined animal, while what can be considered appropriately placed under "Fire" and "Ice" is much more subjective. As such, I'm open to suggestions on what should or shouldn't be removed, my first attempt (complete with justifications for my choices) can be seen alongside the original templates here; as are newer split-template versions of Fire and Ice suggested by Soler below, which are now the designs I plan to put into effect if this proposal passes. Proposer:Walkazo Deadline: July 9, 2008, 17:00 Support
OpposeCommentsHow about something like this for the Fire template, and something similar for the Ice? I tried to simulate Walkazo's formatting as best as I could: feel free to fix the formatting. I feel that this would serve both people with Walkazo's view of the term and those with a broader view of it. If the show/hide feature is unnecessary, please remove it. Another option would be to split the templates in two. —Soler (talk). (I am going on holidays on Sunday, so please excuse me if I do not reply to your unrelenting criticism...)
On a serious note: Soler's split templates are a brilliant idea, better than the all-in-one oversized template.
Repeated Info, Pointless Pages?REMOVE INDIVIDUAL SMASH INFO ON THE FINAL SMASH PAGE 13-0 If you look at the Final Smash page, you'll see that each one is listed in a table, along with a fairly large amount of info about it. Each one has a link to the page that is specifically about that particular Final Smash (e.g. the Aura Storm has its own page, etc). I've read these individual separate pages, and their info is practically the same as what it says on the main Final Smash page. So, are these small pages kind of pointless? In fact, some of the descriptions on the FS page are more detailed than on the page they link to, as they contain info about damage percentages and stuff. I think either one of these options should be considered: We either remove all the individual FS pages (as in End of Day, Mario Finale, etc) and make the info in the table of Final Smash page more detailed... OR we only include very small amounts of info on the main Final Smash page, so that it's actually worth having the linked pages. Proposer: Dom Deadline: July 13, 2008, 15:00 Support
OpposeCommentsIf the moves have articles, Final Smashes should have them too. The Final Smash article has too many details, Aura Storm for example. It can be shortened to just: "Lucario jumps high above the stage, then fires a beam of Aura, that the player can guide across the stage to devastate his opponents". The Final Smash article should have descriptions like that, while the article of the Final Smash itself could have the details. Freekhenstra (talk)
Uhh, I don't get what the proposal is saying, what are we supporting? I'm confused. Toadette 4evur (talk)
I actually have to say, asking for all the respective pages to be deleted was the dumbest thing I ever heard. If we do that, we might as well delete all the special move articles, which would be of less importance than the Final Smashes. Regardless, I agree that the information on the Final Smash article is overboard. But do not touch the individual articles; ONLY the Final Smash article. Pokemon DP (talk) Note to Toadette 4evur: I guess the support means that you agree that some information should be moved/merged to or from the main FS page and the individual pages. That sounds a bit vague, I know. Dom (talk) Note to Pokemon DP: I hope you weren't calling me dumb... I'll admit it would be a bit harsh to delete all those articles, but that's why I mentioned 2 options. And I'm leaning towards the second one, the one you agreed was more appropriate. Dom (talk) But even considering to delete those articles as an option wasn't very wise... Well, whatever. I'm still all for shortening the (supposedly) brief descriptions on the Final Smash article. Pokemon DP (talk)
Note to Cobold: - Since my comments to 2 other users, I guess I've kind of confirmed that the Support means what you agreed to - less info on Final Smash page. Dom (talk) Paper LuigiNO SEPARATE ARTICLE 5-1 It is pretty hard to find all of the data from Luigi's quest from The Thousand-Year Door, on this wiki. So I propose that we merge all the articles that have to do with luigi's quest in the waffle kingdom, into one single article. that way, if someone needs to look it up, they can easily find it. (I know that this is a pretty short proposal) Proposer: Dryest bowser Deadline: July 17, 2008, 17:00 Support
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CommentsI don't get this Proposal at all. Pokemon DP (talk) Neither do I. I dont think weshould do it cus it is fine as is.Luigi3000 (talk) Dryest bowser (talk) I just want to make a single article for luigi's story in paper mario the thousand year door. it will make the wiki more organized. and we can stop having extremly short articless for all of the ccharacters and places Dryest bowser (talk) I mean articles like jerry,Hizza and torque. these articles are kind of minor,and It would be easier to merge them
Dryest bowser- ok, that's ok, let's do that, all the characters like hizza,crepe, and even princess eclair should be merged with the implied characters MerlonMERGE 5-4 There are two Merlon articles, one for Paper Mario and PM:TTYD, and another one for Super Paper Mario. This is useless because all 3 Merlons are from the same series and serve similar purposes. That way Merlon would be easier to look up and easier to maintain. Proposer: StarYoshi1 Deadline: July 21, 2008 17:00 Support
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CommentsPikax (talk) - This is from the Merlon (Super Paper Mario) article: "Similar to the Merlon in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, this may be a different Merlon." Plus, contrary to what StarYoshi has said, the three Merlons do not all serve the same purpose. Also, Sonic64, the similarities you have listed are pretty much all of the similarities between the Merlons. It looks to me like someone has either had the idea of splitting all three Merlons into separate articles or merging them all into one article, but only done half the job. Unfortunately, I don't know which it is, which is why I'm not voting on this proposal. Grandy02 (talk) - If this proposal succeeds, the articles for Merlee should be merged as well.
Signature Image Height RestrictionCHANGE MAXIMUM IMAGE HEIGHT TO 35 PIXELS 5-0 This is mostly a clarification of a certain rule on the Mario Wiki. Here, it says that an image in a signature can be no taller than 20 pixels. Here, it says that your signature must fit in a 225x35-pixel space. In a discussion I had with Time Q, he said that there are many users with images taller than 20 pixels and that he was unaware of the 20-pixel-height rule until I pointed it out to him. Therefore, I propose that the 20-pixel-height rule be changed to 35 pixels to match the height of the Sigbox. Proposer: Pikax Deadline: July 22, 2008 17:00 Support (change maximum image height to 35 pixels)
Oppose (leave it as 20 pixels)CommentsOn a different note, can someone explain why the Comments header wasn't being properly formatted until I put this comment in? Pikax (talk)
Time Q: Third option - Do away with sig images altogether and make plain text the norm. That would certainly solve the problem AND reduce overall lag on the site. -- Ghost Jam (talk)
No requests to check your sigs here please. Ask other users on their talk pages instead. Time Q (talk) Actually, MarioWiki:Signature says "A small image may be used, limited to 35 pixels in height." If MarioWiki:Personal Images says someething different, that's an inconsistency. CrystalYoshi (talk) Multi-Appearing Mario Kart Track PagesUSE NEW PAGE LAYOUT 13-3 Since it was unanimous to keep tracks with multiple appearances in Mario Kart games merged, I added an info box to each version of the track to keep things less cluttered. I was planning on including a gallery with several screen shots and artwork (if any) in a gallery at the end of the section pertaining to the game's version of the track. Coincollector seems to disagree. He feels that every version of the track should be squished into one info box. This is how the page is currently set up. With screenshots cluttered around left and right. If you look at my version, everything was a bit more organized in my opinion. My version is also not complete, as it was cut off before I could finish it. The finished version would still be filled out a bit more. However, I think it still illustrates the idea. Coincollector and myself both believe in our versions, so I wanted to hear some opinions on this. Proposer: Mario Gamer Deadline: July 22, 2008 17:00 Support
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CommentsMario Gamer (talk) - Just letting Pikax know I updated my version to a more complete version to portray what a more final version of mine would look like.
Pikax (talk) - the biggest problem with your version, Mario Gamer, is that the images appear rather staggered.
Coincollector (talk) - For Pikax, the only solution is putting all the screenshots in a gallery, near the bottom of the article, as usually galleries of articles appear. the second solution would be to use the <br clear=all> between text and the gallery to move the gallery that overlaps the table. Now, respecting to the templates, It would not be a problem to me to make templates, although I should do that and see how it results.
Mario Gamer (talk) - I don't mean to sound rude here Coincollector, but what is the point of this proposal if you're just going to be changing the layout later? I think the layout should stay as the people vote on it.
Coincollector (talk) - It seems you misunderstood. I'll make some (minor) edits in the article. I never said I'm going to alter or cut your work off or so... For example, the tables - I've already made a template for the racecourses.
While I approve of splitting up the article and using templates for each game, all the image galleries make the article seem a bit too spaceous. IMO, using Coincollector's Racecourse templates for each section and then having one big gallery at the bottom would be the best thing for the article (organization and aesthetics). - Walkazo (talk)
Legendary DogsKEEP AS IT IS 9-5-2 Alright, when I was doing some infoboxes on some articles, one was the Entei article. When I tryed typing Suicune down, the article wasn't created. I tried Raikou, also, and there was no page. I don't see why we have an Entei article when there's not a Suicune and/or Raikou article. I'm proposing that we either: delete the Entei article; create the Suicune and Raikou article; or keep the Entei article and don't create the Suicune and Raikou article. For those who don't know who these three are and why Suicune and Raikou should have articles: is because that they are the three legendaries from the Pokemon games (ie. Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno), so having one legendary dog without the other two is pointless. So, which option? Proposer: MegaMario9910 (talk) Deadline: July 27, 2008 15:00 Create Raikou and Suicune Article
Delete Entei Article
Keep as it is
CommentsAs far as I know, there's an article for Entei because the Entei trophy is a stage in an event in Melee. That's the only reason, if there were no Entei stage, it would just be merged with the Poké Ball article like Raikou and Suicune. --Grandy02 (talk)
Gale Boomerang and Fire BowKEEP SEPARATE 8-1 Currently, there are articles for Gale Boomerang and Fire Bow, special attacks in the Smash Bros series. However, these attacks are both VERY similar to their respective counterparts (Boomerang and Bow). So I propose that both of those moves will be merged with the latter. Below are some of my specific merging reasons: 1. They both serve the same purpose and have similar mechanics 2. Well.. it's just a boomerang with a whirlwind around it, so it is also the same item (technically) 3.The bows (with the exception of Y. Link), Bombs, Spin attacks and Boomerangs all share an article (except the Gale Boomerang, obviously). 4. The Fire Bow is just a bow that shoots fire arrows. Big difference. 5. Articles such as Blaster, reflector, Thunder, Skull Bash, Thunder jolt, Super Jump Punch and Counter share an article, among others. So there are all my reasons. Also, if this proposal passes, I think we should make Gale Boomerang redirect to Boomerang and Fire Bow to Bow. Proposer: User:huntercrunch Deadline: July 31, 2008, 17:00 Merge
Keep separate
CommentsNot to be a purist, but the two bows are different: fire arrows set the opponent on fire and do more damage. According to the Zelda storyline, the boomerangs are two distinctly different items. The Gale Boomerang holds a wind spirit within it while the boomerang is a generic child's toy. Stumpers (talk) For the record, point 5 in the proposal is incorrect. Pikax (talk) You know, I could see a proposal calling for each character's Super Smash Bros. movies to be put on one page, so it would be something like, "Fox's Smash Bros. Special Moves" and "Mario's Smash Bros. Special Moves" the reason I wouldn't do just "Mario's Special Moves" is because there are so many moves he has outside of Smash Bros. that are also considered special moves. What do you think? Stumpers (talk) Hemu: To your third point, I'd just like to point out that we are not a specialized SSB wiki. -- Ghost Jam (talk) Grandma ToadstoolSPLIT 7-0 A little bit of history before the proposal: in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! episode "Little Red Riding Princess" (1989), the character Grandma Toadstool was introduced as Peach's grandmother. This was her official name, as seen on her mailbox, and it was a proper noun (ex. "Baby Mario" rather than "baby Mario"). Grandma Toadstool was a human character who lived in the Mushroom Woods. Later, in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (1996), a Toad character living in the Mushroom Castle appeared under the improper name, "Toadstool's grandma"/"Toadstool's grandmother." (note improper capitalization). Currently, our article named Grandma Toadstool is a joint article about both characters. The writers speculate that the two characters are the same person. However, I'm proposing that we split the article into two articles: one for each grandmother. Here's my reasoning: as seen in the Paper Mario, family structure in the Mushroom World is similar to non-fictional human family structure (Goombario's family and others). It is only logical that Princess Toadstool would have two grandmothers. This proposal aims to end the conjecture that the two characters with different names are the same person when they look entirely different. However, we can of course note the possibility that the two characters are the same on their respective articles, and I will include a template at the top of the articles linking to the other grandmother to avoid confusion. Proposer: Stumpers (talk) Support
OpposeCommentsJust for the record, if this passes the page names will be "Grandma Toadstool" for the SMBSS character and "Toadstool's grandmother" for the SMRPG one unless someone has an official name for the latter. (and can back it up!) Stumpers (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
BiosNO SUCH BIOS 9-5 I have noticed, that the people's pages (i.e. Satoru Iwata) haven't got many or any information about their lives, childhood, etc. So i propse to add a decent bio to the most important pages. Proposer: User:Tucayo Support
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CommentsYou're allowed to include any information about what lead to their current position in the Mario production process. For example, with Lou Albano you would briefly mention that he earned his fame first as a wrestler and then as an wrestling manager, and eventually he started doing TV work. Then he was contacted to read for Mario and blah, blah, blah. At this point you get specific because it's about his role in the Super Show! rather than information about his life prior. So, as it stands you are allowed to lightly touch on what you're talking about as long as it pertains in someway to their role later in life. Reasons for leaving (if applicable) should also be mentioned. You could also mention a short bit about what they did after their involvement, but again, just touch on it. Stumpers (talk)
Palkia47 opposing something because it "has nothing to do with Mario"? Ohhhh the irony! Blitzwing (talk)
Is Tucayo going to support his own proposal or not? Pikax (talk)
This proposal isn't specific enough. Yes, I think a "decent bio" would be helpful, but I also agree with Palkia and Stumpers that we shouldn't cover aspects which aren't related to Mario. What should I vote for then? Could you please clarify what you're aiming to achieve with this proposal, Tucayo? Time Q (talk)
Catch Card LocationsADD CATCH CARD LOCATIONS 6-3 As I ran across the List of Catch Cards page, I noticed that the locations of the catch cards are not listed whatsoever. I found this rather...disappointing. So here's what I propose: Add an additional brief description as to the location of each catch card. This would include city (i.e. Lineland), if one must flip or enter a pipe to reach the card, and perhaps the chapter in which it is located to the List of Catch Cards article. I'd also like to note that I do not know the locations of really any catch cards, so I will need help from some other, more experienced Super Paper Mario players. Thanks in advance for whoever helps. Proposer: Stooben Rooben (talk) Deadline: August 14, 2008, 17:00 Support
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CommentsPer Dom and Pheonix. Although helpful, the repetitive occurrence of many of the cards may be a bother. Perhaps we can make it work, by displaying the locations of the cards that are NOT obtainable by a Catch Card? Furthermore, almost every obtainable card in the game may also be bought in a Card Shop respectively. Honestly, I believe this may just confuse some people, but it has potential of working. Just keep in mind that the repetition for over 90% of the cards may state something similar to this: Title; Lineland, Catch Card, Card Shop. Ominous (talk)
[([([([Specific Location])])([([Can be bought at Card Shop; Yes or No])])([([Can be caught by a type of Catch Card; Yes or No])])])])] The Gnaw card would then go under "Specific Location" and not shop. Dustof DryBones (talk)
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