Talk:Main Page/Archive 1

I couldn't find a place to say this so I decided to say it here, have you guys considered joining NIWA? --99.163.246.132 16:05, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * That's exactly what we're doing- we're due for the 12th.  --Havoc Reaper  '48  16:45, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * YES! THAT'S GREAT!! I can't wait for you guys to join us! You can find me on some of the other NIWA wikis as Landfish7, my main account is here -->
 * You can register here ahead of time if you want. Though I'm assuming you may not have many DK games.  --Havoc Reaper  '48  19:21, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
 * Actually I have the original Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Donkey Kong Country, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong 64, and I'll be having Donkey Kong Country Returns. Anyway, I'll mainly edit and remove things that are incorrect, inacurate, speculation, false, etc. I don't often update with new content. --99.163.246.132 19:22, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

Protection
Can someone protect Main page? Even guests can edit it… SWFlash Also I want rare wiki as rwp:Rare, needs in Banjo article badly.


 * Unnecessary protection is abuse of powers. And, about Rarewiki, I'm assuming you're an admin there and I'll see to it that the interwiki link is added. Would you consider an affiliation as well seeing as we're gonna link to your site a bit? It would increase the userbases.  --Co vah  15:48, 2 December 2010 (EST)

Something up with thumb
I have noticed that several images have a white box around it. Needs fixing. Mega Tron1  XD   12:29, 24 December 2010 (EST)
 * Hmmm, I just noticed this too. Here are some screenshots that I made:  It looks really ugly in my opinion, it should be fixed. I have no idea how to edit the CSS on the wiki, but if anybody does, these things should be changed:


 * For :
 * should become:


 * For :
 * should become:


 * So... yeah. Also, a lot of images lack transparency, it seems. -- Blaz iken  257  15:47, 24 December 2010 (EST)

Enemy articles
I've noticed that many individual enemy articles are very small, and only a handful have good articles. As a result, I suggest we merge them all into one big article called "list of enemies". Mr. Anon 22:40, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Hell no: We are trying to expand those articles, and a long list of enemies would be terrible. D o κ τ o ʀ P a ι η 9 9  23:37, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I don't like the idea of replacing the enemy articles with a master list either, though I think an article that lists all of the enemies throughout the series that provides brief descriptions of each one, and maybe a small picture, would be a nice addition (not replacement) to the wiki. ~Super Hamster  Talk 10:12, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Same as everyone else.  --Havoc Reaper  16:58, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I do like that master list idea.  --Havoc Reaper  17:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

WikiBound
Link needs fixing. 69.228.200.140 14:12, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

Cascading
Why is there no cascading protection on the main page? -- 02:55, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Protection
I don't really see the point of keeping this page unprotected since there's no need for a non-admin to edit this page.  THE  AVENGING  BANDIT   23:15, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

Need Help???
HI. I want to help in any way as possible. please get back to me... THANK YOU robe--Robe 22:02, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

Ahem
I just wanted to say that it seems that the Mario wiki is more organized and provides more information on their DK pages than this place, seems very Ironic12.162.141.2 21:53, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
 * Looks like we got ourselves a hater.--Avengingbandit  22:40, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
 * To be quite honest, I'm pretty sure Havoc knows that the situation of DK Wiki is as follows: We have approximately 3 active major editors right now, and we refuse to advertise DK Wiki on Mario Wiki. He knows that Mario Wiki has more info, and he knows that it would be easier to plagiarize. However, he has pride. The pride to accept that DK Wiki will always be inferior to Mario Wiki's 100 DK users who choose to edit there and not here. The pride to not rely on them for edits, as they would only give us a copy of Mario Wiki's articles. Havoc could go on Mario Wiki to ask for help on DK articles the 3 active major editors here can not provide info on, but he chooses not to. They'd present us with a copy of the page currently on Mario Wiki, which is what Havoc detests. This dislike comes at the cost of having a different layout from Mario Wiki, which has served as the DK Wiki for NIWA until our introduction. They had all the pages set in stone while we were still at Wikia. They worked as hard as they can to provide what was organized for them. Their users worked as hard as they could to provide info. I like to believe that Mario Wiki can present better info on DK stuff, but I want to try to have our own pages, our own research. Mario Wiki will always surpass our info with their editor's speed, and their organization is in top condition. However, until Mario Wiki moves all DK info to DK Wiki, DK Wiki will always be inferior to Mario Wiki.


 * tl;dr Mario Wiki has 1337x editors, so they'd obviously have more info. Mega  Tron1  Decepticon.png 22:59, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
 * While your criticism of this Wiki's content is valid, you're not being helpful if you don't do anything yourself to help the content problem, nor even give suggestions to help the Wiki.  Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 23:14, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
 * When I first started editing DKWiki back on Wikia, I had no clue MarioWiki existed. To me, there was a Donkey Kong Wikia and a Mario Wikia. And seeing how DKWikia was lacking, I wanted to help it out. Donkey Kong Country was a childhood favorite of mine, so I decided to help where I could. I didn't know about MarioWiki's large amount of editors and already existent data. I had no clue people were copying things from MarioWiki to here either. To me, there was an article quota and not enough editors to help meet it.
 * Later when I caught on, I still wanted to finish what I started and make DKWikia stand on its own. Nowadays it's definitely gone a long way, and is still far from being complete. I did want to move it from Wikia because of the repeat issues there. I do not care if MarioWiki is the better source or not, I'm finishing what I started. Any editors from MarioWiki or any Wiki are more than welcome to help complete the wiki. Who knows, one day we might just reach the 1000 articles. One day we might just run out of red links. All we need are editors and time. And we've got all the time in the world.  --Havoc Reaper  13:22, 9 April 2012 (EDT)

Christmas Decorations
Should the decorations come off since Christmas is gone? <font color="Green">The <font color="Green">Awesome  15:51, 8 January 2013 (EST)

Main Page Improvements
Sincerely, the DKW lacks LOTS of informations. That's a real bad problem. Even the Super Mario Wiki has more information. But that's not a REAL problem, because everyone who likes DK can edit the wiki, and someday the wiki will grow up. But one of the problems, is that some visitor may just enter the site, see the Main Page, and leave.

I think that the "Jungle Arena" is just pointless and should be removed. A Wiki is meant to expand our knowledge about something, but this is... well... POINTLESS. I also think that the "Navigations" should be combined with the "Welcome to the Donkey Kong Wiki". There should be a "Did You Know", like in Super Mario Wiki, because it's interesting to discover thing that you don't know. And one thing that i don't like is how the wiki appears in Google research. For me it appears: "Donkey Kong Wiki, a DK Wiki with more info than Cranky Kong can ...". It should be something like: "Donkey Kong Wiki, the Donkey Kong encyclopedia" Also, i completely hate this:


 * Why
 * A
 * Banana?

It should be like in Super Mario Wiki: a tiny light blue square.

Also, change the background. It is ugly, and has not so much to do about DK. The pages should be white instead of... "brown". The "Search", "Navigations" etc should be in white too. The "NIWA Wikis" should be removed, we already have these links in the Main Page. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 19:42, 9 March 2013 (EST)
 * I don't think you're quite understanding the issue with Donkey Kong's popularity and Mario's popularity. If you show someone a picture of Mario, they will identify him as Mario. If you show someone a picture of Donkey Kong, they may or may not know he's Donkey Kong. If you asked someone if they played Super Mario Bros., they'll likely say fuck yes. If you asked someone if they played Donkey Kong Country, they'll have to think. If Mario Wiki covers DK information, we have to ask ourselves one simple question, "How are we going to be much more different than Mario Wiki?" So for starters, don't bother trying to make us Mario Wiki. They might have an interesting design, but copying it just convinces people to head to Mario Wiki, which gets more search results anyway. Second, a wiki like DK Wiki is pretty much irrelevant to the public, barely attracting any attention to start with. Great franchises are interesting because they're relevant; DK is sadly enough not relevant. As such, trying to create a design to attract people should be focused on over the actual content if DK is becoming relevant. All in all, we could change design for the better, but if the only suggestion is to copy Mario Wiki while DK is irrelevant at this time, then why bother? In the end, consider most of the Wiki's actions as an attempt to not be Mario Wiki before posting more ideas for change. Finally, be professional when typing something about a serious issue. TL;DR Don't try to be Mario Wiki. Mega  Tron1  Decepticon.png 20:54, 9 March 2013 (EST)


 * "I don't think you're quite understanding the issue with Donkey Kong's popularity and Mario's popularity. If you show someone a picture of Mario, they will identify him as Mario. If you show someone a picture of Donkey Kong, they may or may not know he's Donkey Kong. If you asked someone if they played Super Mario Bros., they'll likely say fuck yes. If you asked someone if they played Donkey Kong Country, they'll have to think."


 * I think that there thousands of DK fans. I think that DKC 1, 2 and 3 is one of the best Nintendo games, and i think that many people also agree. Do you ever heard of The Legendary Starfy? Just look at the Starfy Wiki. Nobody that i know ever played any Starfy game, but still the Starfy Wiki Main Page look much better than the DKW Main Page. Also, just think: If there is a wiki only for plants, and this wiki covers information for "Rose", then Wikipedia will not need to cover the information for "Rose" just because another wiki has the info?


 * "If Mario Wiki covers DK information, we have to ask ourselves one simple question, "How are we going to be much more different than Mario Wiki?""


 * If anyone wants DK information, then why the hell would they go to SMW? Also, just a word swap can still be considered a difference from SMW. As the DKW, we need every DK information, even if SMW has it.


 * "They might have an interesting design, but copying it just convinces people to head to Mario Wiki, which gets more search results anyway."


 * No. "Copying" them will just make the wiki simpler and better. Also, people don't search for the DKW for only one reason: it is just incomplete. That's probably why there's another DK Wiki.


 * "a wiki like DK Wiki is pretty much irrelevant to the public, barely attracting any attention to start with. Great franchises are interesting because they're relevant; DK is sadly enough not relevant. As such, trying to create a design to attract people should be focused on over the actual content if DK is becoming relevant. All in all, we could change design for the better, but if the only suggestion is to copy Mario Wiki while DK is irrelevant at this time, then why bother?"


 * Again, did you ever heard of Starfy? His series most recent game is in 2008. DK most recent game is in 2010. Starfy only has five games, and DK has more than twenty games. Just look at "This month's Featured Article", Diddy Kong Racing. The "Modes" section is empty. Even if DK does not have so much attention, it still have lots and lots of information to be covered.
 * Also, maybe if the design was better, it could atract more people to the wiki, even DK fans that can expand the wiki.


 * "consider most of the Wiki's actions as an attempt to not be Mario Wiki"


 * Basically, "consider most of the Wiki's actions as an attempt to be incomplete while Mario Wiki can be better than us, and can still be a wiki to Mario and their games, characters, objects and more".


 * "Don't try to be Mario Wiki."


 * Yeah, i will try to keep the wiki as most useless i can.


 * For the End:


 * "So for starters, don't bother trying to make us Mario Wiki."


 * Okay. If you don't want more "starters", don't do shit. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 22:08, 9 March 2013 (EST)


 * Quick response to most of your answers, rather than that time consuming response to each response thing. Bulbapedia should have two million users, since there are two million fans, yet that is not the case. Number of fans is never equal to people willing to edit. In addition, it is a known fact that Mario Wiki basically covers DK Wiki information, with a search for Donkey Kong himself on Google listing Mario Wiki above DK Wiki. Main reason people would go there, and main reason there is no need to try to become Mario Wiki. You also don't seem to know much about Wikia, the greedy tyrant that basically refuses to delete any Wiki that had a community that moved, even if said Wiki is extremely successful in comparision to the Wikia counterpart (Bulbapedia, Mario Wiki, and Smash Wiki are the main comparisons). Both Smash Wiki and DK Wiki got their starts on Wikia, but moved to off-Wikia hosting because of their moronic moves. As a result, the ghost version of each Wiki still exists under Wikia, regardless of how much better the real version of the Wiki is (again, Smash Wiki). Mario Wiki is more popular than us and no one can do shit about it without providing massive amounts of advertisement. Trying to become them creates less of a distinction between the more complete and popular Mario Wiki and us. Mega  Tron1  Decepticon.png 22:31, 9 March 2013 (EST)


 * "Quick response to most of your answers, rather than that time consuming response to each response thing."


 * No. You separated your first comment in parts, "Second, a wiki like DK Wiki is...".


 * "Bulbapedia should have two million users, since there are two million fans, yet that is not the case. Number of fans is never equal to people willing to edit."


 * Obviously, not EVERY DK fan will have a account in this wiki, but maybe many fans who wants to help the wiki will. To do this, we will need a good wiki, but if we can't even have a good Main Page, were fucked.


 * "In addition, it is a known fact that Mario Wiki basically covers DK Wiki information, with a search for Donkey Kong himself on Google listing Mario Wiki above DK Wiki."


 * "You also don't seem to know much about Wikia, the greedy tyrant that basically refuses to delete any Wiki that had a community that moved, even if said Wiki is extremely successful in comparision to the Wikia counterpart (Bulbapedia, Mario Wiki, and Smash Wiki are the main comparisons). Both Smash Wiki and DK Wiki got their starts on Wikia, but moved to off-Wikia hosting because of their moronic moves. As a result, the ghost version of each Wiki still exists under Wikia, regardless of how much better the real version of the Wiki is (again, Smash Wiki). Mario Wiki is more popular than us and no one can do shit about it without providing massive amounts of advertisement. Trying to become them creates less of a distinction between the more complete and popular Mario Wiki and us."


 * I just said that there's another DK wiki. I don't care about Wikia and Wiki.


 * "Mario Wiki is more popular than us and no one can do shit about it without providing massive amounts of advertisement."


 * We all waited nine months to be born, didn't we? But just thinking, this wiki does not have any hope. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 00:29, 10 March 2013 (EST)


 * Baisically to your whole last argument on how Mario wiki is better and blah blah blah we should be like them,

<ul> <li>This Wiki has 13 active users while Mario Wiki has 427.</li> <li>Indeed Mario Wiki is better but saying we should be like them is not the way to be better.Example: God=Love, Love=Blind, Bob=Blind, therefore Bob=God. That is pretty much your logic since Mario Wiki=Good Wiki, Therfore to be good Wiki we must=Mario Wiki ("copy"). This flawed logic is what is called in logic a faulty Syllogism. We can be a good wiki but still be unique. You can do "shit" without "copying" Mario Wiki.-- 108.89.16.181 23:05, 9 March 2013 (EST)</li> </ul>
 * SMW is what it is: "Super Mario Wiki", and they have DKW information. If we don't have information about DK, this wiki is completely useless, and it will still be a useless wiki. We can basically trow this wiki into the trash or recycle parts os SMW so we can basically be a "wiki". Renember: "If there is a wiki only for plants, and this wiki covers information for "Rose", then Wikipedia will not need to cover the information for "Rose" just because another wiki has the info?". Yes, it's hard sometimes to be diferent from others because of what it is: A red flower with torns. Also, with more organisation we can atract more users to the wiki, or not. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 00:29, 10 March 2013 (EST)


 * There was pretty much no point in this post. DK Wiki exists, but you are under the assumption that it has more appeal to people when it comes to DK, despite Mario Wiki having information. People will still use Wikipedia more than some moronic Wiki about roses. In addition, organization means very little when all you're doing is making us the same as Mario Wiki. The Wiki's current design has a better chance at getting new people, while veteran users simply don't care about the main page. There is no point in changing to be like Mario Wiki, and there is no point in using a comparison when it doesn't even work all that well. Mario Wiki has information about DK, we try to deal with it by being unique. People will go to Mario Wiki and trying to be like Mario Wiki isn't going to help us seem like anything other than a plagiarism site. Mega  Tron1  Decepticon.png 00:43, 10 March 2013 (EST)


 * Just think: we can't have info for DK in a DK wiki, we will have to let a Mario wiki to have it. This is pathetic. Again, talking about the Main Page: Starfy Wiki has a "Did You Know?" in the Main Page, we don't. Instead, we have this "Jungle Arena" crap. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2013 (EST)


 * Exactly why would Mario Wiki have to have the information? They have it, but they don't have rights over it. You're failing to realize that we have the info as well. In addition, the main page does not matter. Jungle Arena is capable of attracting any new user who found DK relevant for that day and didn't go to Mario Wiki right away, while veteran users will just ignore how "crappy" a main page is and get right to knowing what's in the wiki. Honestly, when I went to Wikipedia as a child, I never even bothered to look at the main page, I just typed in what I wanted to search up. As a veteran user, I still ignore the front page and go to the content. Focus should be made on the Wiki content and not some complaint about how the main page looks ugly or how we should look like Mario Wiki or otherwise we'll somehow have to delete all info here. Mega  Tron1  Decepticon.png 00:58, 10 March 2013 (EST)


 * "Exactly why would Mario Wiki have to have the information?"
 * Because this wiki doesn't have it, so SMW will have to have it.


 * "You're failing to realize that we have the info as well."
 * Which info? Again, look at Diddy Kong Racing, Modes section. It is empty, and he is a featured article.


 * "the main page does not matter."
 * You are the first person to search "Wikipedia". You see a link which says "Wikipedia, a Wiki with more info than Cranky Kong can ...", and you click in it thinking "What the fuck?". When the page loads, you see a barrel fighting a banana.


 * "Jungle Arena is capable of attracting any new user who found DK relevant for that day and didn't go to Mario Wiki right away, while veteran users will just ignore how "crappy" a main page is and get right to knowing what's in the wiki."
 * Again: a wiki is meant to expand our knowledge, not to put bananas fighting barrels.


 * "Honestly, when I went to Wikipedia as a child, I never even bothered to look at the main page, I just typed in what I wanted to search up."
 * Probably beucase their Main Page is fine. But when you first acess this wiki you will see a ugly background and this pointless Jungle Arena.


 * "As a veteran user, I still ignore the front page and go to the content."
 * Which content? We don't have content. If you want content, someone change the Main Page to make it more interesting.


 * "Focus should be made on the Wiki content and not some complaint about how the main page looks ugly or how we should look like Mario Wiki"
 * Having a "Did You Know?" and more organizated organisation doesn't have anything to do with SMW, even Starfy Wiki has it. Also, look at Golden Sun Wiki. Their featured article is complete and detailed.


 * "People will still use Wikipedia more than some moronic Wiki about roses."
 * Wikipedia is a interesting place for knowledge, but if they want more knowledge they will go to a wiki dedicated to the subject.


 * "In addition, organization means very little when all you're doing is making us the same as Mario Wiki."
 * Organization is the basic. How do you want a wiki whre even a Main Page can't look good?


 * "There is no point in changing to be like Mario Wiki, and there is no point in using a comparison when it doesn't even work all that well."
 * You got a job at a hospital. At this hospital, you have no security, such as a mask. Did you understand?


 * "Mario Wiki has information about DK, we try to deal with it by being unique."
 * Unique and useless.


 * "trying to be like Mario Wiki isn't going to help us seem like anything other than a plagiarism site."
 * I already said that: a word change is considered a difference from SMW. YoshiFan1200 (talk) 16:23, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
 * Hey, you should respond to all posts directed at you, not cherry pick and only respond to those you can respond easiest to.


 * "Because this wiki doesn't have it, so SMW will have to have it."


 * And what kind of shitty logic is behind this? Also, see my below post about the content overlap issue with MarioWiki and respond to it, instead of conveniently ignoring it.


 * "Which info? Again, look at Diddy Kong Racing, Modes section. It is empty, and he is a featured article."


 * "Which content? We don't have content. If you want content, someone change the Main Page to make it more interesting."


 * Again, see my below post about content. If you think content is lacking, do something about it, don't just bitch at the users here and expect that content to magically appear.


 * "When the page loads, you see a barrel fighting a banana."


 * "and this pointless Jungle Arena"


 * Several other Wikis run an "arena" of sorts. I can speak for SmashWiki, and our "Smash Arena" has been quite successful in drawing in new users, while doing nothing to detract from the content. It's a fun little thing for users to partake in, and Wikis do not have to be all serious with no room for any sort of fun in order to produce quality content. Anything that draws in new users and boosts morale of the community while not doing anything to detract from the content benefits the Wiki, thus not being "pointless".


 * "But when you first acess this wiki you will see a ugly background"


 * Again, see my below post regarding taste that you ignored. You can't appeal to everyone's taste, and if this Wiki's background doesn't appeal to you, well too fucking bad, it's asinine to cater the Wiki's look to a single person. If the background produced readability issues, organisation issues, etc., then you could have an argument, but if all you have to say is "it's ugly", then you're just wasting everyone's time.


 * "Again: a wiki is meant to expand our knowledge, not to put bananas fighting barrels."


 * Complete strawman to what Mega said, see my early remark about the Jungle Arena.


 * "Having a "Did You Know?" and more organizated organisation doesn't have anything to do with SMW, even Starfy Wiki has it."


 * Having a "Did You Know" suggestion is a completely legitimate suggestion, and if you focused on that, instead of going on about how you find the background "ugly" and Jungle Arena "pointless", we could of gotten somewhere.


 * "Wikipedia is a interesting place for knowledge, but if they want more knowledge they will go to a wiki dedicated to the subject."


 * And if someone wanted more knowledge on Donkey Kong, they would go to a Donkey Kong Wiki, thus invalidating your claim about this Wiki being rendered pointless from Mario Wiki's existence (which you would of seen if you actually responded to my earlier response).


 * "Organization is the basic. How do you want a wiki whre even a Main Page can't look good?"


 * You haven't stated any legitimate problem about the main page (again finding the background "ugly" and not liking the Jungle Arena are not legitimate points).


 * "I already said that: a word change is considered a difference from SMW."


 * And we would still be copying Mario Wiki's background, format, and organisation, for no real benefit (once again, your own taste is not an argument), while making the Wiki look like a copy of Mario Wiki and eliminating its DK motif that matches its content.


 * Now if you want to help this Wiki, do something that actually helps it, rather than complaining that it doesn't have enough content and you don't like its look. Omega   Tyrant  [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 17:44, 10 March 2013 (EDT)

Just think: we can't have info for DK in a DK wiki, we will have to let a Mario wiki to have it.

You seem to be missing the point this Wiki, this Wiki intends to go more in depth into Donkey Kong focusing specifically on the franchise, unlike the Mario Wiki's more general coverage (just like how the SmashWiki specifically covers the Smash series in depth even though Mario Wiki covers Smash too, and as a result, has infinitely superior Smash content to what Mario Wiki has). If you have such a problem with this Wiki (and by extension SmashWiki) having some content overlap with the Mario Wiki, instead of yelling at this Wiki for existing, you should be yelling at the users on Mario Wiki for insistently covering every single thing that has a connection to something with the vaguest of connection to Mario (ideally, a "Mario Wiki" should be covering the Mario franchise and things with Mario in it, instead of every other franchise that once interacted with Mario).

If you instead have a problem with the Wiki's lack of content, instead of complaining about it and yelling at the few users around, help contribute yourself. Everyone can edit, any user, including yourself, are capable of fixing any content issues. Contribute, create needed pages, cleanup pages, expand stubs, get the word out to Donkey Kong fans that aren't on the Wiki. Complaining about content issues instead of actually doing something about them is never constructive to the Wiki.

Regarding the Wiki look and style, this is a taste issue that you have a problem with. You can't appeal to everyone's taste, so this is again something pointless and nonconstructive to complain about. The current style doesn't produce any readability issues, doesn't obscure the content in any way, and provides it with a DK motif to match its content, while giving it a look to separate it from the standard Wiki fare (and by extension, Mario Wiki). Also, anything suggesting "try to be more like Mario Wiki" is a really bad idea for the Wiki, for the aforementioned content overlap issue and the fact this Wiki has a bad history with newbie users attempting to plagiarise Mario Wiki. Omega  Tyrant   07:44, 10 March 2013 (EDT)


 * I agree with Omega Tyrant: if you believe there is a space which can be filled in regards to content, be a hero and contribute to the project. Every wiki relies on a solid community to be successful, and even though Mario Wiki has a much greater number of active users, that doesn't mean DK Wiki shouldn't be it's own. YoshiKong (talk) 05:32, 11 March 2013 (EDT)